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Google Shelves Nexus One For Verizon
Would you perhaps be interested in an HTC Incredible?
by Karl Bode 09:01AM Monday Apr 26 2010 Tipped by skj See Profile
The new Google phone (the Nexus One) received lots and lots of hype, most of it focusing on how the device was supposed to revolutionize the US subsidized handset pricing model. Instead, it landed with a semi-interesting thunk -- and users complained of bugs, high fees, no phone support, and the fact that the phone was only available via T-Mobile. While Google ultimately reduced their fees and added a customer support phone line -- there's some 3G coverage bugs that remain for the phone's users. As for adding the phone to other carriers like Verizon? Google has apparently scrapped the idea -- the Nexus One blog announcing no planned Verizon launch by simply directing users' gadget lust to the HTC Incredible (which features better specs anyway).

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Rob
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Bazinga!

Ouch for Verizon. Nobody wants to play with them.
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Re: Bazinga!

Ouch for Verizon? This has nothing to do with Verizon, except that the Nexus was eventually supposed to migrate there. I'd suggest that Google's Beta of being a smart phone vendor failed miserably and Google is scrapping the experiment.

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Re: Bazinga!

said by openbox9:

Ouch for Verizon? This has nothing to do with Verizon, except that the Nexus was eventually supposed to migrate there. I'd suggest that Google's Beta of being a smart phone vendor failed miserably and Google is scrapping the experiment.
That is it. Google did their usual horrible job of customer service and no one is interested in buying a phone(needing extensive customer service) from Google.
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Google's attempt to play in the wireless carrier playground using strongarm tactics was only going to end badly. Leaning on T-mobile is one thing, trying to sell VZ or ATT a handset they can't touch ends in a ass-kicking. Android has become a decent mobile OS, but only on carriers terms.

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Re: Bazinga!

said by JasonOD :

Leaning on T-mobile is one thing, trying to sell VZ or ATT a handset they can't touch ends in a ass-kicking.
It seems to me, even before you get to the issue of what Verizon and AT&T might want to block on the phone, the damn thing has to work first. Google basically pumped out a beta POS, and hasn't bothered to support or fix it. Why would ANY carrier want to deal with that?

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said by JasonOD :

Android has become a decent mobile OS, but only on carriers terms.
elaborate. Only ATT has restricted Android phones. And even then, that can be chalked up to Apple's insistence on neutering the competition.
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said by Rob:

Ouch for Verizon. Nobody wants to play with them.
Except for Apple of course
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said by Rob:

Ouch for Verizon. Nobody wants to play with them.
????? With the launch of the Incredible, Verizon has a better phone (in most ways) so why put the Nexus One there to be clobbered?
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Sprint?

Wonder whether the N1 is still coming to the US's (world's?) second largest CDMA carrier.
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Re: Sprint?

I doubt it. My guess is that Google is pulling out of being a smart phone vendor. Let them focus on doing what they do better....branding software, not hardware.

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Re: Sprint?

said by openbox9:

I doubt it. My guess is that Google is pulling out of being a smart phone vendor. Let them focus on doing what they do better....branding software, not hardware.
Or what they really do better - and that is sell ads. Everything else they do is merely to sell ads.
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Re: Sprint?

Correct. I should have expounded on my definition of branding software to include delivering advertising.

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I disagree. They just released the car dock for the N1 and they've been hinting at the upgrades the N1 is getting when Android 2.2 drops. They've also been talking about what the next Google-phone is going to focus on (businesses).

Sure this is probably more of a Google "hobby" like the AppleTV is for Apple, but I think they need to have a device of their own if for no other reason than to demonstrate what Android is capable of when its not crippled by a carrier (AT&T I'm looking at you).
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Re: Sprint?

We'll see. I don't foresee Google continuing their own branded hardware device. I think the N1 was Google's attempt to do exactly what you highlighted in your second paragraph, however I think that the support requirements caught Google totally off guard. And I'm not sure they want to continue to be in that position. When you only care about delivering ads, it's so much easier, and cheaper, to develop OSS and let someone else support it, and the underlying hardware than it is to do so yourself.
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Hey, I own an N1 and it's a fantastic smartphone! Don't forget it was spec'd by Google, but manufactured my HTC. T-Mobile accepted the N1 wide open, lowered non-subsidized plans and created a $40 data only plan to coincide with the N1 release. My guess is Verizon didn't embrace this kind of openness, and Google decided not to go along.
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Re: Sprint?

I'm glad you like your device, but my money is still on the idea that Google doesn't want to be in a hardware vendor/support role.

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Re: Sprint?

or that they've always said that it was a toe in the water - little more.
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said by openbox9:

I doubt it. My guess is that Google is pulling out of being a smart phone vendor. Let them focus on doing what they do better....branding software, not hardware.
Will you give me money if you're wrong?
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Re: Sprint?

Will you give me money if I'm right?
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Re: Sprint?

said by openbox9:

Will you give me money if I'm right?
Hey, you were the one who was willing to put up money, not me. So will you give me money if you're wrong?
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Re: Sprint?

Then perhaps you should have replied to that post Why would I be willing to give you money in exchange for the possibility of nothing?
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Doesn't matter. The HTC EVO is coming and it is a better phone. That will be Sprint's flagship Android phone.
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Re: Sprint?

Meh, it *does* matter for folks who don't want the extra bulk that a 4G-sized battery and 4..3" screen entail.

Don't get me wrong, I'm getting the Evo when it comes out. However I don't expect everyone to want a ginormous superphone...and that thing is ginormous.
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Re: Sprint?

I'm sure they'll be another EVO form factor after 6 months just as there is another Droid form factor.

It doesn't make sense for Google to be in the hardware biz as they fracked up their shot at it. New Android phones with better specs within in same product line will appear every six months. I don't see existing/potential Android users embracing any particular hardware flavor as long as its Android. Existing users will switch to whatever is hottest on their carrier when their contract is up. Phones are disposable these days.

What I like about Sprint is they allow Premier customers (me!) to upgrade every year at the discounted phone price. Will likely switch to EVO from Pre unless Palm announces a killer phone beforehand, which I'm not expecting.
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Re: Sprint?

said by xenophon:

I'm sure they'll be another EVO form factor after 6 months just as there is another Droid form factor.

It doesn't make sense for Google to be in the hardware biz as they fracked up their shot at it. New Android phones with better specs within in same product line will appear every six months. I don't see existing/potential Android users embracing any particular hardware flavor as long as its Android. Existing users will switch to whatever is hottest on their carrier when their contract is up. Phones are disposable these days.

What I like about Sprint is they allow Premier customers (me!) to upgrade every year at the discounted phone price. Will likely switch to EVO from Pre unless Palm announces a killer phone beforehand, which I'm not expecting.
I...need an EVO. NEED!

Lol seriously though I've been stuck with TWC's horrifically underprovisioned cable service for the last 7 or 8 years, providing a rock-solid 2/.5 mbit connection. At this point I've given up hope for a better wired connection.

If it works, 4G uncapped wireless speeds throughout my city, combined with an 802.11n capable MiFi phone, has me drooling at the possibilities.
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said by iansltx:

Wonder whether the N1 is still coming to the US's (world's?) second largest CDMA carrier.
Unlikely it's the world's second largest CDMA carrier. India's Reliance Communications has over 56 million subscribers on its CMDA network, versus Sprint's 48 million CDMA and iDEN subscribers.
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Re: Sprint?

Ah k. Didn't know that Reliance was on CDMA.
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Who cares?

Big deal...the phone is a dud.

The HTC Incredible is incredibly better anyways.
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Re: Who cares?

Hmm, you know, I hear every armchair tech commentator throw this around like its a fact. But I've never had a problem with my Nexus One. It eats my old iPhone for breakfast and I have as much coverage on T-mobile where I live as I did on AT&T. I also don't have dropped calls.

The Incredible is better because its newer. That's pretty much always true in tech. Still I like having my android powered carrier unlocked phone.

And I'm looking forward to May 19th and "Froyo" for 802.11n and the FM receive and transmit enabled in the N1.
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Re: Who cares?

said by jus10:

Hmm, you know, I hear every armchair tech commentator throw this around like its a fact. But I've never had a problem with my Nexus One. It eats my old iPhone for breakfast and I have as much coverage on T-mobile where I live as I did on AT&T. I also don't have dropped calls.

The Incredible is better because its newer. That's pretty much always true in tech. Still I like having my android powered carrier unlocked phone.

And I'm looking forward to May 19th and "Froyo" for 802.11n and the FM receive and transmit enabled in the N1.
While the N1 might be ok, if you were staring at the two of them side by side in the store which one would you buy? The Incredible is dropping this week for Vz, so the N1 would be release later in the game losing that much more market share for a current gen Android phone.
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Re: Who cares?

said by cmaenginsb1:

While the N1 might be ok, if you were staring at the two of them side by side in the store which one would you buy?
You mean today? The Incredible assuming I could get it on T-Mobile and it was unlocked. I have no interest on being a Vz customer again, ever. And if its carrier locked, I'm not interested.

But when I bought the N1, the Incredible didn't exist. I agree that it doesn't make much sense to launch the N1 on Vz now at that the Incredible is coming. Indeed, Google's press release says as much. But there's a difference between, "we're going with the Incredible because its a newer hardware evolution than the N1" and "the poor decrepit N1 loses!!!1one!!". The N1 is still a fine piece of hardware. It's just no longer the newest.

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ohya

why yes i would be interested in the Incredible. it's going to be AN AWESOME phone!!

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the problem

with anything google is that they are always in a perpetual beta. maybe verizon didn't want to be associated with the google phone out of concern of major issues. google has to get its act together and stop thinking that it can turn out things and think people will just jump on the wagon.

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Werd

Thought this would happen. As soon as I saw the specs on the Droid Incredible and potential release date, then I figured there wouldn't be a need for the N1 on Verizon.

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Verizon's issue is CDMA

Verizon is a CDMA based network. The World plays around with GSM. Why would companies market a new phone to CDMA when they can market to the world with GSM ?

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Who needs a Nexus One...

Fedex tracking sez my new Incredible will be arriving Wednesday. I can't wait! (Especially since the phone I am upgrading from stopped working a few days ago.)

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This was more likely a VZW decision than HTC decision

After the Blackberry 9530, I imagine VZW wants nothing to do with a device that so much as has a single open bug report.

The issues with the Nexus One's screen, and the issue with 3G to edge switching/connectivity stuff were probably enough for them to tell HTC "we'll wait til you sort this out"

The 9530 was a lesson.
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