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AT&T Advisor: Overcharging People For Bandwidth Aids Minorities!
It will also apparently cure your goiter and that lingering rash...
by Karl Bode Friday 25-Jun-2010 tags: business · bandwidth · Op/Ed · consumers · wireless
Driven by AT&T's recent decision to impose caps from 200 MB to 2 GB and monthly overages up to $15, CNET's running an article that claims that those upset by this new shift toward high overages shouldn't be. Why? It will apparently not only magically cure the digital divide -- it will also somehow bring broadband to every man, woman and child -- of every race -- everywhere. Robert J. Shapiro, former Clinton staffer turned AT&T "advisor" informs readers of his CNET piece that AT&T's billing model is some kind of magical panacea that users should embrace:

With this flat-rate pricing approach, for example, almost one in five African Americans would still lack home broadband connectivity in 2020. A nearly comparable share of Hispanics and lower-income white Americans also would remain offline. In the face of rising bandwidth demand and the rising cost to accommodate it, the flat-fee pricing approach will perpetuate digital divides based on income, race, and ethnicity.

There is an alternative which, our analysis found, can achieve virtually universal broadband adoption by 2018. This alternative is a flexible-pricing approach that would enable ISPs to recover the bulk of their additional infrastructure investments from the providers of bandwidth-intensive content and the small share of consumers--online gamers, for example, and those who watch high-definition TV, movies, and videos online for hours every day--who claim a disproportionate amount of broadband capacity.

Like most of these articles written by "analysts" employed by major carriers, Shapiro bases his argument on several falsehoods. One, any suggestion that AT&T isn't incredibly profitable and needs this new model to sustain profitability or fund network expansion is simply false. Users already pay plenty for bandwidth and AT&T has been very profitable under flat-rate pricing. If AT&T chose to constrain network investment, it was to please investors at the cost of network performance.

Two, Shapiro pretends that the model AT&T is employing (low caps and high overages) is the same thing as per-byte billing, which would actually help very light users. That's a common mistake, but the two things are not the same.

Under real per-byte billing, billions of AT&T customers who use virtually no bandwidth would pay virtually nothing, costing AT&T billions. Under AT&T's (soon to be Verizon's as well) dream model, everyone ultimately winds up paying more money sooner or later. Imposing such a low cap drives the majority of customers to AT&T's more expensive tier. On either tier, users face huge overages that are far out of line with the cost of bandwidth delivery (which is consistently dropping). Charging absurd overages on top of flat rate is the real goal, dreamed of by investors for years.

In what reality does paying $15 a gigabyte help minorities or anyone other than AT&T?

One more time: AT&T's new billing model is not a decision driven by altruism. It's not about fairness to the nation's grandmothers. It has nothing to do with universal adoption or helping minorities (which for the record is one of the more obnoxious and disingenuous arguments we've seen AT&T's army of policy flacks throw out there). Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't even have anything to do with congestion (AT&T, especially after the upgrade to LTE, has plenty of leg room if they design their network correctly). AT&T imposed this model because it allows them to charge more money for the same product.

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chronoss2009
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until its proved

minorities use bandwidth too.
WHAT A RACIST COMPANY

nothing00

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Re: until its proved

You forgot to note a key phrase "providers of bandwidth-intensive content" must pay. This is the telco providers dream, charging Google, Netflix, etc for access to their customers already paying for service.
gorehound

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and the officials of ATT are smoking crack.they must be high screwing all their customers who bought these new iphones and ipads and now they give you lame caps.
expert007

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As one of the supposed minorities who would benefit...

I ask with all sincerity....WTF??

callmeDrB

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Re: As one of the supposed minorities who would benefit...

expert007... I love you! You put it better than anyone else I've seen! Please run for some office so I can vote for you!
chronoss2009
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and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

and they want to allow this behavior to invest and run ISPS in canada.

I SAY NO WAY HOSE ( a minority name in no way meant to impail any racist view nor does the site the occupants or my underpants have anything to do with this view )

bionicRod
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Re: and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

said by chronoss2009:

and they want to allow this behavior to invest and run ISPS in canada.

I SAY NO WAY HOSE ( a minority name in no way meant to impail any racist view nor does the site the occupants or my underpants have anything to do with this view )
"Hose" is not a minority name...it's what you attach to your water supply outside to water the lawn

And what a bunch of BS. AT&T only gets away with stuff like this because almost nobody pays attention. Great job bbr, but your reporting only serves to raise the blood pressure of your readers as it seems no one else cares.
chronoss2009
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Re: and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

said by bionicRod:

said by chronoss2009:

and they want to allow this behavior to invest and run ISPS in canada.

I SAY NO WAY HOSE ( a minority name in no way meant to impail any racist view nor does the site the occupants or my underpants have anything to do with this view )
"Hose" is not a minority name...it's what you attach to your water supply outside to water the lawn

And what a bunch of BS. AT&T only gets away with stuff like this because almost nobody pays attention. Great job bbr, but your reporting only serves to raise the blood pressure of your readers as it seems no one else cares.
nice start nit picking it was meant a humor ...please for the love of god someone create a saracsm tag....

newview
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said by bionicRod:
"Hose" is not a minority name...it's what you attach to your water supply outside to water the lawn

Or what AT&T is attempting to do . . . "hose" their customers.

Buttset

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Re: and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

I think there's been a misspelling of "HOSE"...

...it's "Ho"s as in slang for prostitute.
expert007

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Of course, he could have meant "Hoser" as in the Canadian slang version...

benecewicz
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Re: and they want to allow this behaviour to invest and run ISPS

Take off, eh?!

BF69
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So let me get this straight

So this new crappy pricing scheme will allow minorities and other poor folks to also enjoy this crappy pricing scheme. This is his point?

Excuse me what can you do TODAY with 2 GB let alone in 2020? And please no one bring up the fact that 2 GB is plenty for a cell phone because this guy CLEARLY mentions BROADBAND use which I take as HOME PC use. You might as well stick with dial-up. At least you can get 17 GB a month from that.

So the FCC wants to take away free OTA TV from these very same poor folk and give it to these at&t idiots so they can charge these poor folks outrageous fees for "broadband" that is limited to 2 GB a month?

I am apparently missing the upside to all of this. Someone explain please.

jjoshua
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Re: So let me get this straight

Yes. Everyone is being ripped off equally.

MOWAA

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Re: So let me get this straight

Guess I don't understand

Are they essentially saying that all people are entitled to Broadband?

KrK
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Re: So let me get this straight

said by MOWAA:

Guess I don't understand

Are they essentially saying that all people are entitled to Broadband?
No. They are saying all people are equally entitled to being ripped off!
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Kiljoy616

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Dam well say, bend over everyone AT&T is in the house.

Ben
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said by BF69:

I am apparently missing the upside to all of this. Someone explain please.
     You aren't looking at it in the right way.  Of course there's an upside; for AT&T.  It's another way to attempt and fail to justify their decision, and make it sound like a good thing for most people.

     You are right though, that there's no upside for regular, normal people.

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said by BF69:


So the FCC wants to take away free OTA TV
from these very same poor folk and give it to these at&t idiots so they can charge these poor folks outrageous fees for "broadband" that is limited to 2 GB a month?
Gov't regulations usual result.
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BF69
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Re: So let me get this straight

said by Linklist:

said by BF69:


So the FCC wants to take away free OTA TV
from these very same poor folk and give it to these at&t idiots so they can charge these poor folks outrageous fees for "broadband" that is limited to 2 GB a month?
Gov't regulations usual result.
Not that at&t and Verizon's throwing money to pro-wireless politicians of both parties has any influence did it?
Kearnstd
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Today alone
no not that anybody would ever use more then 2gb.....
but this is today already so far with just a high quality internet radio stream going+an upload to my web host.
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Kiljoy616

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Re: So let me get this straight

One of the reason that if I loose my limitless iphone contract, I say F you Apple.

2 gig is a joke, I easily do 5 or 6 gig a month on just the phone.

Dame piece of dung companies, the future just basically sucks to big ones.

Ben
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Huh?

quote:
With this flat-rate pricing approach, for example, almost one in five African Americans would still lack home broadband connectivity in 2020. A nearly comparable share of Hispanics and lower-income white Americans also would remain offline. In the face of rising bandwidth demand and the rising cost to accommodate it, the flat-fee pricing approach will perpetuate digital divides based on income, race, and ethnicity.
     Why?  Or how?

     In a great many places, including in these "inner cities," DSL is available, and there's a $20/mo. tier for 768Kbps/384Kbps (or was it 128Kbps upload?).  Therefore, I don't buy the argument that the present way of doing things prevents anyone from getting on the Internet.

     $20/mo. is not a lot of money at all; anyone can afford that.

     There are even free ways to get onto the Internet, or at least most of the WWW (HTTP and HTTPS), since many public libraries offer that.  I say most because public libraries often won't allow the viewing of pornography or other adult material, but that sort of thing really shouldn't be viewed in any sort of public setting.

     So again, just how is the current way of doing things disadvantageous to anyone, with regards to Internet access?

     At this point, the only people who don't have broadband are those who don't want it for whatever reason (a very small number that grows smaller every day), or can't get it at a reasonable cost, which is the case in many rural communities.

BF69
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Re: Huh?

said by Ben:

At this point, the only people who don't have broadband are those who don't want it for whatever reason (a very small number that grows smaller every day), or can't get it at a reasonable cost, which is the case in many rural communities.
Oh you mean like my county which half the population can't get it? Considering we're in at&t territory I'm not seeing how these caps are going to all of sudden encourage them to build out their DSL footprint. They don't even bother to offer 3G here. So I call bullshit on at&t.

mcfrisch
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Not Surprising...

Bandwidth Cap and Trade!

woody7
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hmmm,

W hat about the Govt. subsidies etc, how do we recoup that? Universal service fee comes to mind.
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Re: hmmm,

There is no such thing as a "Gov't" subsidies. Those would be TAXPAYER subsidies.

woody7
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Re: hmmm,

I stand corrected
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chronoss2009
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so AT&T discriminates against everyone but minorites?

S this what AT&T is saying?
SO they'll screw majority people to help minority....
I last checked we all still live in somehting screwed up called a democracy.....

WHAT someone needs ot do is go find some of "minority" grandmothers who can also tell AT&T where to stick it.

Murdoc
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You can' get any dumber then this!

They must really believe what their shoveling! Apparently bandwidth comes from the same place as oil does

camaro92
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And if this is true

I am the freaking muffin man.
jimhsu

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A fix

Simple FTC fix? Index all overage charges to a national "bandwidth price index" - something like the CPI, but accounting for the cost of wholesale Tier 1 bandwidth plus amortized infrastructure costs. After all, heavy bandwidth users "cost more" for the ISP, according to them. Sure, call the CPI inaccurate, but it is at least correct to an order of magnitude, unlike current overage charges (seriously, 10$/GB is supposed to be AFFORDABLE?) If the overage charge is significantly above the BPI, the customer has the right to refuse to pay the stated overages.

I guarantee you'll see the cap+penalty plans disappear tomorrow.

PS As for the entire issue, I am much more in favor of bandwidth throttling to "gov't mandated broadband" (i.e. 768 kbps, but this will get bumped up) rather than transfer caps.

PS Wikipedia currently lists the total cost per gigabyte as approx. $0.10/GB (»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_···t_access). That includes, of course, 80-90% fixed costs as well. That's a reasonable position to start from.
hawgcaller

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It's called the free market - you don't have to buy it

No one is forcing you to pay for service. If you don't like the rates AT&T charges then don't use AT&T or don't use data services. There are other options.

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antidelldude

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Bandwidth is getting cheaper

In the face of rising bandwidth demand and the rising cost to accommodate it, the flat-fee pricing approach will perpetuate digital divides based on income, race, and ethnicity.
This made me break out in laughter and sadness at the same time. Laughter for it not being true, sadness for 99% of the people reading it that think its true. If anything, the cost to deliver bandwidth has gone DOWN in price, and will continue to go down in price.
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Stupidity at its finest.

When a company plays the "race" card, you know they are worthless.

TamaraB
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Are there any carriers left

Who provide flat-rate data billing on phones, and who are likely to maintain that billing model for some time to come? Carriers servicing the North East?
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Z80A
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Note to the dummies

Digital socialism won't work either.

KrK
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Re: Note to the dummies

This isn't socialism. This is pure greed at it's finest dressed in an equality talking point.
hoyleysox

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Racist -

With this flat-rate pricing approach, for example, almost one in five African Americans would still lack home broadband connectivity in 2020. A nearly comparable share of Hispanics and lower-income white Americans also would remain offline. In the face of rising bandwidth demand and the rising cost to accommodate it, the flat-fee pricing approach will perpetuate digital divides based on income, race, and ethnicity.
The insinuation that certain ethnic groups use less bandwidth and would benefit signing up for lower-tier caps is racist.

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I'm a minority. Show me the money!

I haven't received any "aid" yet. Lol! The only ones being aided by AT&T overcharging for bandwidth are the fat cat executives.
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Isn't this similar to the baloney from clinton and Reagan

Isn't this similar to the baloney we heard from Clinton and Reagan. Reagan tax cut for the rich will bring magical prosperity to America. Clinton: well export all the jobs and it will create more jobs. needless to say none of it has worked thus far.

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I've been on the dsl "waiting" list for ages

Cans I has dsl nao????

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