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Still Waiting On NYC Subway Cell, Wi-Fi Coverage
Service will extend into some tunnels, whenever it actually gets done...
by Karl Bode 10:42AM Tuesday Aug 03 2010
Delivering phone and data connectivity to the New York City subway system has been in the works for some time, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority having struck a contract with Transit Wireless to outfit stations three years ago. "This project was stalled for too long, and we will be working with the contractor to make up as much time as possible," MTA spokesman Jeremy Soffin tells NY Daily News - though he doesn't really explain why. The company insists that when completed, cell and data service will exist in tunnels, with a few exceptions:
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coverage will extend from station to station - where stops are relatively close to each other and tunnels are wide enough - keeping straphangers plugged in. "That's how it works," said Alex Mashinsky, CEO of Q-Wireless, one of four corporations that make up the joint venture installing the wireless service. "That's the physics of it." Cell service could be strongest in wider tunnels with express and local tracks, like in Manhattan, since signals need space to propagate, Mashinsky said.
The network was projected to cost $150 million to $200 million to get all 277 stations wired within six years, with Transit Wireless then paying New York City Transit $46.8 million over 10 years. Six stations were supposed to have come online for testing by last year: 23rd Street and 14th Street on the Eighth Avenue line, 14th Street on the Seventh Avenue line, 14th Street on the Sixth Avenue line and Eighth Avenue and Sixth Avenue on the L line. Of course some people wouldn't be too upset if this project never actually gets completed...

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xenophon

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Some use bus instead of subway just for cell

My brother in Brooklyn Heights takes a train into the city (works in UWS) but once in the city he said he tends to use the bus just to have cell service. Is that common?

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Re: Some use bus instead of subway just for cell

said by xenophon:

My brother in Brooklyn Heights takes a train into the city (works in UWS) but once in the city he said he tends to use the bus just to have cell service. Is that common?
I don't know if it's common, but I know that if you use a cellphone on the NJ Transit express bus that I take, people will yell at you to shut up and hang up.
xenophon

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Re: Some use bus instead of subway just for cell

He's a texting maniac, probably doesn't do voice that much.

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said by fifty nine:

said by xenophon:

My brother in Brooklyn Heights takes a train into the city (works in UWS) but once in the city he said he tends to use the bus just to have cell service. Is that common?
I don't know if it's common, but I know that if you use a cellphone on the NJ Transit express bus that I take, people will yell at you to shut up and hang up.
Those buses are considerably quieter, and also smaller in general size. The seats cause the sound to appear more direct This makes it more annoying.

These buses are less open. Seats are not arranged in a manner where I can easily spot who said what. It adds anonymity to the yeller, which is why that same pansy would not dare say the same words to me or anyone else on an MTA train. I've seen it happen on an X1 express bus, this guy was on his phone at moderate volume, someone yelped shut up and he checked everyone in a 6 seat radius from the perceived epicenter of the yell. None of them said a thing.
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said by xenophon:

My brother in Brooklyn Heights takes a train into the city (works in UWS) but once in the city he said he tends to use the bus just to have cell service. Is that common?
I've taken LIRR (Penn Tunnels have cellular, Atlantic Ave dont) and mta express buses just so I have cellular during the trip sometimes.
Crookshanks

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goodie, the NYC subway isn't obnoxious enough yet...

What with the panhandling, body odor and general rudeness of your fellow passengers. Let's add a bunch of really loud cell phone conversations into the equation.....
xenophon

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Re: goodie, the NYC subway isn't obnoxious enough yet...

Yeah, I was thinking they should allow text/data but not voice. I'd use it mostly for data to surf etc. while commuting.

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How the heck will they be able to hear anything when the subway train pulls in, or on a subway car, for that matter. Those things are loud enough to make you deaf!
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Re: goodie, the NYC subway isn't obnoxious enough yet...

said by roc5955:

How the heck will they be able to hear anything when the subway train pulls in, or on a subway car, for that matter. Those things are loud enough to make you deaf!
Through the magic of IEMs!

I've been using them for six years. I wouldn't take a cellphone call without them. I had a nice noise cancelling IEM headset, I've taken calls walking past construction sites without any issue.
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Re: goodie, the NYC subway isn't obnoxious enough yet...

Would that IEM be an In Ear Module, Innovative Energy Management, or Inborn Errors of Metabolism?

Sheesh, I really dislike it when people use obscure acronyms.

(Just think, I could have typed, "Sheesh, IRDIWPUOA," and cut it down to almost nothing, while not communicating one bit!)
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Re: goodie, the NYC subway isn't obnoxious enough yet...

in ear monitor

It's not an obscure acronym at all. One can use context & common sense to guess which it is. Words such as headset, taking calls, should give all but the most dense & shameful excuse for a high school graduate an idea what was being discussed.

Or google, third result.

»www.google.com/search?hl=en&clie···gs_rfai=
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said by roc5955:

How the heck will they be able to hear anything when the subway train pulls in, or on a subway car, for that matter. Those things are loud enough to make you deaf!
Quite easily. People will just talk LOUDER and LOUDER. You know, like the school kids who play their MP3 playing cellphones at full blast on the train, so everyone can hear how ghettofabulous they are. Isn't there a rule about loud radio playing anyway???
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said by Crookshanks:

What with the panhandling, body odor and general rudeness of your fellow passengers. Let's add a bunch of really loud cell phone conversations into the equation.....
And no one complains when the loud cell phone folks bring a fellow loud cell phone person and yap to them the whole trip so loud you easily hear the conversation at the other end of the car.

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said by Crookshanks:

What with the panhandling, body odor and general rudeness of your fellow passengers. Let's add a bunch of really loud cell phone conversations into the equation.....
I agree! It is wonderful riding the #7 to Manhattan and having all the cell phones go dead when you enter the tunnel at Hunters Point. Peace at last!
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Re: goodie, the NYC subway isn't obnoxious enough yet...

said by n2jtx:

said by Crookshanks:

What with the panhandling, body odor and general rudeness of your fellow passengers. Let's add a bunch of really loud cell phone conversations into the equation.....
I agree! It is wonderful riding the #7 to Manhattan and having all the cell phones go dead when you enter the tunnel at Hunters Point. Peace at last!
Why not buy a cell phone jammer and have permanent peace!
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fifty nine

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No cell on the subway please

It's bad enough that NYCers are subjected to rude and obnoxious people yapping away, walking into you and talking loudly right next to you, now the only place where you can actually get some peace and quiet will be under assault.

Cell phone service in the subway will become a safety issue when people yapping away, stop paying attention, and fall straight onto the tracks.

If the MTA was wise they'd abandon this silly nonsensical plan and leave the subways in peace!
jh2010

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cellphone service on the subway please

It's about time NYC made it into the 20th Century with Cellphone coverage in the Stations. Cities like London, Sydney, Hong Kong have had this for 10 years.

I think it is great for safety. Being able to call Police, Fire or Ambulance quickly far out ways the few problems with people not paying attention(Not paying attention has problems any where, not just in the subway).

At least, in the station, you can walk away from the idiots that are yelling on their phones(unlike when you are actually on a bus or train).

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Re: cellphone service on the subway please

said by jh2010:

It's about time NYC made it into the 20th Century with Cellphone coverage in the Stations. Cities like London, Sydney, Hong Kong have had this for 10 years.

I think it is great for safety. Being able to call Police, Fire or Ambulance quickly far out ways the few problems with people not paying attention(Not paying attention has problems any where, not just in the subway).

At least, in the station, you can walk away from the idiots that are yelling on their phones(unlike when you are actually on a bus or train).
I agree, I was in Hong Kong a few years ago and loved how modern most of the train cars and buses were. Cell service was great throughout the ride and they even had LCD TV's in trains and buses.
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fifty nine

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Re: cellphone service on the subway please

said by Fir_Na_Tine:

said by jh2010:

It's about time NYC made it into the 20th Century with Cellphone coverage in the Stations. Cities like London, Sydney, Hong Kong have had this for 10 years.

I think it is great for safety. Being able to call Police, Fire or Ambulance quickly far out ways the few problems with people not paying attention(Not paying attention has problems any where, not just in the subway).

At least, in the station, you can walk away from the idiots that are yelling on their phones(unlike when you are actually on a bus or train).
I agree, I was in Hong Kong a few years ago and loved how modern most of the train cars and buses were. Cell service was great throughout the ride and they even had LCD TV's in trains and buses.
How did we ever get along without LCD screens being shoved in our faces 24x7?

fifty nine

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said by jh2010:

It's about time NYC made it into the 20th Century with Cellphone coverage in the Stations. Cities like London, Sydney, Hong Kong have had this for 10 years.
Good thing I don't live in those cities!

I think it is great for safety. Being able to call Police, Fire or Ambulance quickly far out ways the few problems with people not paying attention(Not paying attention has problems any where, not just in the subway).
Subway stations have pay phones that can dial 911 for free. On the trains themselves, calling the police, fire, ambulance yourself is not only doing no good, but doing more harm than good. If everyone picks up a phone and floods 911 with phone calls when they are 100 feet underground and can't be reached by anyone other than transit workers anyway does no good. Dispatching emergency services via the train crew is the smartest thing to do.

At least, in the station, you can walk away from the idiots that are yelling on their phones(unlike when you are actually on a bus or train).
And you can walk out of the station when you want to make a phone call, or get off the train...
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said by fifty nine:

Cell phone service in the subway will become a safety issue when people yapping away, stop paying attention, and fall straight onto the tracks.
It's a safety issue for more reasons than that. If you were a mugger are you going to attack the person that's paying attention to his surroundings or the person that's pecking away at the phone/listening to the iPod with the volume all the way up?

All those people are doing is painting a big fat bulls-eye on their backs.

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Re: No cell on the subway please

If you're a conscientious & alert adult you're not going to get mugged whether or not you're on the phone.

Right now people don't pay attention either. You don't need service to not pay attention. People playing brickbreaker or watching csi on their iphone is even worse than being on the phone because you're looking down as you do it.
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Re: No cell on the subway please

said by thender:

If you're a conscientious & alert adult you're not going to get mugged whether or not you're on the phone.

Right now people don't pay attention either. You don't need service to not pay attention. People playing brickbreaker or watching csi on their iphone is even worse than being on the phone because you're looking down as you do it.
Not everyone has an iPhone, but nearly everyone has a cellphone. Cellphone voice communications will be infinitely more distracting.

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Re: No cell on the subway please

Different people are distracted in different ways.

I don't always pay 100% attention on the phone, but I am definitely more alert of what is in front of me then I am when I am not looking in front of me.

You don't need a smartphone. It could be a magazine, or a tetris game on your RAZR.

The point is there will always be something to distract people in NYC so a savvy hustler can take their shit. To say something should not happen because it will create another distraction is to advocate every other distraction be removed as well, and that would be asinine.
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said by fifty nine:

Cell phone service in the subway will become a safety issue when people yapping away, stop paying attention, and fall straight onto the tracks.
Self-correcting problem then.

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I guess I am one of the few who miss having zero

coverage phone wise in the DC Metro (most have coverage at the underground metro stations)

Nobody blabbing on the phone....not many with their phones in their faces checking things and thus running into others....just peace and freakin quiet

No more

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Re: I guess I am one of the few who miss having zero

I'd love it. Just because some people abuse it doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to answer a call for 8 seconds if someone wants to reschedule an appointment I am on my way to.

Imagine if we outlawed cellphones above ground for the same reason.

People who checked their phones who ran into others did this far before the days of the cellphone. People did it with game boys. Before game boys they did it while talking with friends, looking at each other instead of in front of them.

Or by staring at cute girls and not looking straight ahead.

You nazis that want to take away every last bit of entertainment and comunication, just so people will be more alert of you & your desire for quiet are the most narcissistic bunch of self righteous pansies I have ever seen. I say pansies because everytime I see someone use a cellphone on a train, there's always at least one person whose face begins to cringe. Said person never has the balls to say a damn thing.

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Re: I guess I am one of the few who miss having zero

said by thender:

I'd love it. Just because some people abuse it doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to answer a call for 8 seconds if someone wants to reschedule an appointment I am on my way to.
That's what voicemail is for. Most underground subway rides aren't very long.

Imagine if we outlawed cellphones above ground for the same reason.
I wouldn't outlaw them but I would love it if some jammers were made legal, so that movie theaters for example could let people enjoy a movie in peace.

People who checked their phones who ran into others did this far before the days of the cellphone. People did it with game boys. Before game boys they did it while talking with friends, looking at each other instead of in front of them.

Or by staring at cute girls and not looking straight ahead.
None of the above are as annoying as a loud cellphone conversation.

You nazis that want to take away every last bit of entertainment and comunication, just so people will be more alert of you & your desire for quiet are the most narcissistic bunch of self righteous pansies I have ever seen. I say pansies because everytime I see someone use a cellphone on a train, there's always at least one person whose face begins to cringe. Said person never has the balls to say a damn thing.
Those same nazis took away boom boxes too. You know, entertainment.

No one isn't saying you can't have your entertainment, but seriously, do you have to have entertainment and communication during every moment of every day? Will 10 to 45 minutes of non-contact really kill you?

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Re: I guess I am one of the few who miss having zero

said by fifty nine:

That's what voicemail is for. Most underground subway rides aren't very long.
The L when it gets stuck(OFTEN) can be an hour.

The A is underground the entire way until it gets to the end near Queens.

The 2 & 3, 4 & 5 are the same way. Counting how often they come nowadays thanks to the MTA cuts, it is very likely one's commute could be an hour.

said by fifty nine:

I wouldn't outlaw them but I would love it if some jammers were made legal, so that movie theaters for example could let people enjoy a movie in peace.
I can't disagree there.
said by fifty nine:

Those same nazis took away boom boxes too. You know, entertainment.

No one isn't saying you can't have your entertainment, but seriously, do you have to have entertainment and communication during every moment of every day? Will 10 to 45 minutes of non-contact really kill you?
I spend hours upon hours a day on the train. Maybe it's different for me since I spend half my waking hours on the subway system on my way to people's homes & offices. I would like entertainment.

It would be nice to be not totally unreachable during those times.
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Re: I guess I am one of the few who miss having zero

Maybe you need to take a cab then. With the MTA raising fares it will pretty much be the same amount of money soon anyway.

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Re: I guess I am one of the few who miss having zero

$89/mo is cheaper than $10-$30/ride 3-5 times a day.
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said by fifty nine:

I wouldn't outlaw them but I would love it if some jammers were made legal, so that movie theaters for example could let people enjoy a movie in peace.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Certain people (Doctors, on-call professionals, parents with kids at home, etc.) NEED to have a working phone. You don't have any right to jam their phone just because of a few loud asshats.

A better solution would be for movie theaters to bring back ushers and throw out the people that talk through the movie. That would also prevent people from talking to the person next to them and ruining the movie -- something that cell phone jammers won't do anything about.

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said by thender:

You nazis that want to take away every last bit of entertainment and comunication, just so people will be more alert of you & your desire for quiet are the most narcissistic bunch of self righteous pansies I have ever seen
Yes, and it was great while it lasted

Now we get you blabbering idiots running into everyone screaming like lunatics thinking you sound cool

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Screw wifi. Make trains work.

On weekends & nights half the system doesn't even work, and we're focusing on internet?

No G train both ways after 10:30 on nights and weekends. comes every hour.

The D runs on the N line towards coney island, take the D backwards from coney to get to 18th avenue.

The A runs on the F line

The F runs on the A line.

The 6 will not be coming for an hour. Enjoy waiting at 51st st & lexington with the other 300 people in the 100f station a while

I've had enough. Maybe I notice it more because my job involves riding the trains all over the city all day.

Instead of giving me more to do while I wait for your clusterfuck service, fix your clusterfuck service!
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How about PATH?

How about PATH?, HBLR/NLR and staten island ferry & hey the tramway too. I'd totally use it!!!!

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Make cell co's pay?

What I don't get is that the (NY) MTA is contracting with some company to do all the wireless instead of just leasing right of way and letting the cell co's do their own infrastructure.

The Bay Area system (BART) did exactly that, and they collect 3/4 of a million for that ... per year!

Am I missing something? Yeah, there's the story where the cell co's offered $40.00 for their own build-out -- but that seems so fishy when BART got $750k directly from the cell co's. Can You Say KickBack ... err ... Intensive Lobbying, Mr. MTA Executive?

With Transit Wireless paying out so much -- and do we know they even have carrier agreements anyway -- they are ripe for bankruptcy, in which then the cell co's will get their assets (and right of way) for pennies.

I'd bet if the MTA was willing to wait for a couple more years, when metered billing is really socked to all of us poor consumers, then the cell co's would pay a lot more for tunnel access (to bill us more metered minutes)!
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Re: Make cell co's pay?

Agreed, this question was lost among discussions about whether we need the service or not. What does MTA has to do with wiring the tunnels other than collecting cash from cell companies lined up for work approval?