 | | name change if you did change your name at 18 Google would just post your former names (and known IP addresses and MAC addresses and sites visited) on a Google Street View drill down. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: name change you know nothing of the internet. mac addresses do not traverse the internet. there is no way for google to know what your mac address is. | |
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| Re: Google knows your router mac address from their illegal street view cars. While they photograph your houes they handshake with your wireless router. This provides them with enough data to geolocate you. If you use a wifi connected device like an iPod, with geolocation services activated, that also gives "them" your router info. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: Google knows your router mac address the street view cars are legal in some places and illegal in others.
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Canyon Country, CA | Re: Google knows your router mac address They are illegal most places. Where is it legal to do what they do (i.e. gather mac addresses while photographing your house and recording GPS coordinates)? | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: Google knows your router mac address because its not private information... if you don't want people to see your home, you are welcome to block the view. if you don't want people to see your wifi MAC addres, secure your wifi. even better turn it off altogether. | |
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Canyon Country, CA | Re: Google knows your router mac address My wifi is secured. That doesn't stop it from handshaking.
It is illegal to eavesdrop on private (vs public) communications. Doing it for profit compounds the crime. Google is going to court in a bunch of places because they did just that. | |
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| Re: Google knows your router mac address Google takes your personal info and monetizes it. That's what makes it extra illegal, as opposed to wardriving for sport, for instance. There is law in the USA that says it is illegal to intercept an electronic communication to which you are not a party. The exceptions are for listening to public safety (e.g. cops and fire) and amateur radio. All other communications are considered "private". It is illegal to listen to a neighbor's cordless phone, even though it isn't encrypted. This is established law. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: Google knows your router mac address how do they monetize on the use of publicly available mac addresses? you do not own your mac address in case you didn't know. | |
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| Re: Google knows your router mac address They sell your location data, along with search info (if you're dumb enough to use Google Search) to advertisers so they can better spam you.
Google monetizes everything. The law should favor the individual, not the corporation, in such matters.
Who owns the electronic serial number (aka M.A.C address) of my router? Whoever it is, it ain't Google. | |
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Canyon Country, CA | Re: Google knows your router mac address I'm not paranoid. I don't fear them. I want them to go away.
Spam is advertising. There is no such thing as good advertising. It's all designed to make you consume. Destroy the planet with style and panache. Lovely. | |
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| Re: Google knows your router mac address Society isn't working. You are fooled into believing it does, largely by advertising.
I find advertising degrading, at best. Any advantage is outweighed by the insulting barrage of presumptive swill that assaults the unfortunate "consumer" on an almost constant basis every waking moment. I choose to avoid this blizzard of messaging. I will never go back.
All that being said, Eric Schmidt is one crazy mofo. Good friend of Obama. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: Google knows your router mac address you make no sense. i'm done. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | and to answer your question, it is perfectly legal to do it where I live. | |
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you are correct thought that you cannot google a mac address ... yet | |
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kudos:2 | Pointless to Change Your Name Does changing your name really cut your ties to your previous identity? For entities that really care (e.g. governments, law enforcement, prospective employers), I doubt that legally changing your name will accomplish anything other than confusing your friends and wasting the court system's time. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Pointless to Change Your Name Legal name changes are public record. They're just one more court document in the system. Even the US Witness Protection Program is not perfect. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Pointless to Change Your Name I'm aware of that, hence my statement that changing your name is pointless if your attempt is to hide your past. | |
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| | Welcome to South Korea Schmidt must've spent some time admiring South Korea's heavy-handed Internet censorship as they have already implemented "government online identifiers." Don't insult a politician or piss off a powerful businessman or the government goon squad will identify you by your ID number and police will come knocking.
Welcome to phase II of authoritarian government.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_c···th_Korea
South Korea's internet censorship policy is highly political and particularly strong toward suppressing anonymity in the Korean internet. In 2007, numerous bloggers were censored and their posts deleted by police for expressing criticism of, or even support for, presidential candidates. This even lead to some bloggers being arrested by the police.[33] Subsequently in 2008, just before a new presidential election, new legislation that required all major internet portal sites to require identity verification of their users was put into effect. This applies to all users who add any publicly viewable content. For example, to post a comment on a news article, a user registration and citizen identity number verification is required. For foreigners who do not have such numbers, a copy of passport must be faxed and verified. Although this law was initially met with public outcry, as of 2008, most of the major portals, including Daum, Naver, Nate, and Yahoo Korea, enforce such verification before the user can post any material that is publicly viewable.[citation needed]
Also, South Korea has banned at least 31 sites considered sympathetic to North Korea through the use of IP blocking.[7][34] Moreover, they started to block illegal websites such as unrated games, pornography, gambling, etc., since 2008. Attempts to access these sites are automatically redirected to the warning page showing "This site is legally blocked by the government regulations."[35]
Furthermore, search engines are required to verify age for some keywords deemed inappropriate for minors. For such keywords, age verification using national identity number is required. For foreigners, a copy of passport must be faxed to verify the age. As of 2008, practically all large search engine companies in South Korea, including foreign-owned companies (e.g. Yahoo! Korea), have complied with this legislation.[citation needed] Only Google evades government's legislation. In April 2009 when Communication Commission ordered to put on user verification system at YouTube, Google Korea blocked video uploading from users whose country setting is Korean.[36] | |
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| | | Re: Welcome to South Korea I'd like to point out different cultures have different values. As long as those values don't lead to them harming other nations who have people with different cultural values, then let them be. This is in stark contrast to the US, which feels the need to impose its modern social and political values on every country in the world, starting with the Middle East. | |
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2 edits | Re: Welcome to South Korea said by sonicmerlin:I'd like to point out different cultures have different values. As long as those values don't lead to them harming other nations who have people with different cultural values, then let them be. This is in stark contrast to the US, which feels the need to impose its modern social and political values on every country in the world, starting with the Middle East. So in your mind, it's OK for a gov't to oppress its own people - that's just "different cultural values" - as long as it doesn't start wars or "harm other nations" (however that's defined)?
I'm sorry, I can't accept moral relativism.
I'm against all authoritarianism whenever and wherever it's found. In this particular case, your mistake is assuming that all government policy reflects the will of the people. What if it doesn't? There are many South Koreans who think these online IDs are ridiculous and oppose them. Those Koreans value their privacy and anonymity, but their desires are subordinated to the gov't.
You've hijacked my post into a critique of U.S. foreign policy... much of which I have disagreements with myself.
What South Korea does is irrelevant to me personally as I'm not a citizen; I don't live there; and I don't plan on visiting any time soon.
Schmidt moves in government circles and his comments should be seen for what they are - a trial balloon for authoritarian controls here in the U.S.
The last thing we need is an Online Identifier (aka "Internet Driver's License") to access the Internet. After all, posting online is a "privilege" given to us by the gov't (just like driving a car), right?
Of course, it's always couched as looking out for the public welfare by defending us from identity thieves, terrorists, organized crime, stalkers, and pedophiles. It metastasizes into you better not criticize the wrong people... offend powerful business interests or politicians, or the politically connected, then the police access your name & address in their Online ID Database, knock on your door and drag you before some judge or gov't body to explain yourself.
This is way more intrusive than authorities tracking down an IP address, which could lead to a household, public library, or Internet cafe, etc. In South Korea, apparently, your personal ID is attached to everything you post.
What comes next? A fine? Your "privilege" to access the Internet restricted or revoked? Maybe you just have to publicly kowtow by retracting your posts and apologizing to the offended party? | |
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join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Holy crap! We agree on something. Although I do diverge from your belief when another country goes down the line of genocide. As a world power, we have an obligation to protect those that can't protect themselves IMHO. | |
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So, I want Google telling me what I should do next, eh, Eric? Sure I do. | |
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|  56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium
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kudos:2 | Re: Eric Schmidt is a very scary person. I said this awhile back and will say it again. Google will eventually surpass Microsoft as one of the most hated companies on Earth. Eric Schmidt will do anything to maintain Google's market position. Anything.
That he's gotten in bed with Verizon should speak volumes. | |
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join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | A bit inaccurate I'm far from paranoid about privacy, but the comment "Google can only store what you put online" isn't accurate. Others put things online about you without your permission...and have you heard of google street view?  | |
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|  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | Re: A bit inaccurate said by beaups:I'm far from paranoid about privacy, but the comment "Google can only store what you put online" isn't accurate. Others put things online about you without your permission...and have you heard of google street view? What good is a picture of your house if someone doesn't know your address? | |
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| | | | Re: A bit inaccurate Street view knows the address. It's shown on the picture as well as on the associated map.
There were reports the IP and MAC addresses were collected as well. | |
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| | | | | Re: A bit inaccurate said by rollei35guy:Street view knows the address. It's shown on the picture as well as on the associated map. There were reports the IP and MAC addresses were collected as well. And they are usually wrong. Seriously - street view is nice, but not super accurate. | |
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| | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by rollei35guy:Street view knows the address. It's shown on the picture as well as on the associated map. There were reports the IP and MAC addresses were collected as well. Ok, so I know the address. What good does that do me if I can't tie it to a name. That's my point.
Anyone can drive down the street and see your house and the address, what is the big deal if there is a picture of it online? | |
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| MADx
join:2005-05-25
Richmond, IN | Forget about the government, Google is the new "Big Brother". Scary indeed. | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA Reviews:
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| Re: A bit inaccurate said by MADx:Forget about the government, Google is the new "Big Brother". Scary indeed. Please, don't forget about the government.
They use The Google too.
And while they will talk about "transparency" and "civil rights" til the cows come home, they will put their boot to Google's neck to get access to the very data they claim private companies aren't supposed to collect without your permission. | |
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| cramer
join:2007-04-10
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kudos:5 Reviews:
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| Exactly. Google indexes whatever it finds online. That is most certainly more than what we put online about ourselves.
As a side note, Google is not the only company doing this. They are just the one you can easily search. There are plenty of information brokers/data warehouses. Not to mention credit reporting agencies. | |
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|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 | said by OldschoolDSL:I'm normally the first person to come here and proudly say, I love Google..... The services they provide fit my needs.... Yet, I'm starting to worry about the company and who's running things..... I've got this little chill starting to run down my spine and its a cold chill.
I worry about Google As you and everyone should. Schmidt has never hidden his views that privacy doesn't and shouldn't exist and that Google has every right to gather or buy all info about everyone and be allowed to use it; sell it; and do whatever he wants with it. | |
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| I'm more scared of Facebook than Google. It really creeped me out a few months ago when I got onto CNN.com to be greeted with posts from my Facebook friends. WTF?
And now this whole "Places" fiasco with allowing, by default, your friends to "check you in to a place." I'm seriously considering getting rid of my Facebook account. | |
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| | Search engine The were a few employee's that quite google a while back and made a new search engine. Anyone know what it was called? I think im gonna switch. | |
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| MTUPremium
join:2005-02-15
San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: Search engine Try www.duckduckgo.com
No tracking, etc.
Just reviewed on 'Tech News Today' | |
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| | | said by cpsycho:The were a few employee's that quite google a while back and made a new search engine. Anyone know what it was called? I think im gonna switch. Was it that "Cuil" or whatever?
if I remember right, it had a weird name. | |
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| privacy I have a concern about Google and their practices. After all there is no free lunch and Google is getting something in return for all those 'free' services.
However there is a larger issue. As more and more public records go online and are searchable it becomes easier to gather information. For example it used to be you could see public property records. But you physically had to go down to the courthouse and check them out.
Now I can go online and in many cases see property deeds, tax records etc.
Same with the court system. There are a number of sites that display mug shots. One of our local papers does this. Problem is these folks have only been arrested. Not convicted. Of course there are the usual disclaimers but the cat is out of the bag and innocent people can be damaged.
Again it's public information but making it easily accessible has it's own issues. | |
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| FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: privacy public records are just that, public. you can't hide from your public record. Everything you mentioned is perfectly legal and acceptable, with the exception of the mugshots. | |
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| Re: privacy said by FBGuy:public records are just that, public. you can't hide from your public record. Everything you mentioned is perfectly legal and acceptable, with the exception of the mugshots. Why would you exclude mugshots?
It seems to me like, if it's not problematic to make all public records easily available, mugshots would fall into that category.
Personally, I find it problematic to make public records so easily available. I'm more concerned with the way the information winds up in non-public databases which the individual isn't aware of, and has no rights to integrity over.
I'd prefer that we have government databases (perhaps tied to a national ID) which would restrict the data to exist only on that database. And, give the subject of the data rights to see their data and challenge inaccuracies.
I know everyone's a'feared of a government database. But, that seems a lot better than thousands of private databases with no recourse over inaccuracies or usage. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: privacy I had never thought of this in the way you described it. I agree completely with how you put it.
private databases should be taken with a grain of salt. Government databases should be held to the highest standards. | |
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neat open source search and spider
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join:2009-02-08
Manitowoc, WI | I thought there were rumors a couple years ago. I thought there were rumors or something on here a couple years ago about sketchy stuff with google.
I only use youtube and used google checkout because I didnt like paypal.
I also wonder how many are closing accounts because of this? | |
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| | Told ya so. I have not trusted google from the beginning. Now they got software on mobile handsets and are trying to dictate wireless internet policy?
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| | don't be evil? Schmidt has been scaring me for a while now. Unfortunately while most of the employees at Google probably still believe in "Don't be evil", it appears -- as usual -- the upper management has gone to the dark side so to speak. I am considering whether or not to drop all Google services... | |
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Whittier, AK | just wait until google TV they'll index everything you watch. Minority report here we come. | |
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| on the other hand... I like certain things google is doing, but not others... promoting open easy access to video is great... but destroying people's privacy as the tradeoff-- well, hold on there google... WTF?!? This is something I'd expect of a narsicissitic NeoCon, Tea Parrty Kook, or Republican Party affiliate, or some facist state in the middle east, but not a FOR PROFIT USA company.
You think the propaganda they spew on broadcast TV is bad, wait until you have NO privacy on the internet and the Video is INTERACTIVE & your interaction with the internet is manipulated by these people. This is NOT how to try & beat Microsoft at their game of trying to become google.. by making google into something that the world can do without (more of). | |
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| | Never have been a fan, or fanboy!! Never have been a fan or fanboy, of Google anyway!!
It's NOT the greatest invention since the wheel, for sure!!
Besides, they are flat out WAY to big for their own britches and NEED to be knocked down a notch or ten!! 
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