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No throttling for meHave both fixed modem and EVO phone. Do quite a bit a streaming (Netflix/Hulu) and large downloads each week, probably more than 10GB a month with no sign of throttling.
I tend to get about 10Mbps, up to 15.
If Clear is throttling, they need to specifically state what the limit is before throttling. | |
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Re: No throttling for meif i were you id be careful on what id ask for/demand from a company that size. You do remember what happened when people demanded a number from Comcast right? They all got one that was WELL below what the regular cap was of about 450 depending on your market.
Clear could give you 4gigs and be done with it. | |
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Re: No throttling for mesaid by hottboiinnc4:if i were you id be careful on what id ask for/demand from a company that size. You do remember what happened when people demanded a number from Comcast right? They all got one that was WELL below what the regular cap was of about 450 depending on your market. Clear could give you 4gigs and be done with it. 450 ? Really ? Must be a really tiny market where that was the upper limit, many were threatened and kicked off for MUCH LOWER numbers. Visit the "abuse/limits" thread and look at the numbers, ok ? | |
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Re: No throttling for methanks! my point proven. | |
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Bandwidth HOGS! "Don't be a Pigg, Hogg!" | |
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I'm not on a contract with Clear so can easily switch back to TWC if I need to. But overall I'm getting a better deal with Clear so plan to stick with them unless there is a reason not to. | |
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Re: No throttling for meAs someone who lives in an area that is supposed to have 4G by year's end and is currently using TWC for broadband, that is good to know.
Do you get a discount for bundling your Sprint cell phone and Clear 4G service? | |
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Re: No throttling for mediscount with Clear and Sprint 4g? you do realize that Clear and Sprint are separate right? Sprint brands their own 4G network and Clear brands their half as Clear. Sprint doesn't give you a discount.
And the Metro area is set to have service; they never said anything about outside of the Cleveland Metro area. So i wouldn't count on having it if you are far enough away from Cleveland. | |
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xenophon, EVO is with Sprint not Clear.
Your Clear account is not being managed because your usage is less than 8gigs in this billing cycle. | |
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I was ready to get Clear....Not so sure I will now.... | |
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cramer
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2010-Sep-29 3:57 pm
Re: I was ready to get Clear....Clear is in the same box as satellite internet. My recommendation is AVOID where possible.
It's fine for a cellphone or netbook (and maybe laptop) that's moving around a lot and used sporadicly. For a fixed (home) connection, it's far too slow and unstable. One minute it's 6M down, and the next instant it's less than 1. In some areas, people are reporting 10-14M down, peak. I've been carrying around a friend's modem for ~2 weeks and haven't found anywhere that it's stable. Even at my house... 1k ft from a tower, with clear line of sight.
[Edit: and it only gets better when they backhaul everything to Charlotte.] | |
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Re: I was ready to get Clear....your area will differ from others. you can't recommend the product in SF just beecause it sucks for you in NC. It would fully out preform there. | |
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cramer
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2010-Sep-29 10:50 pm
Re: I was ready to get Clear....The problem is systemic. The carrier cannot control the number of nodes connecting to any specific tower. They do have some control over the amount of traffic sent to each node -- which is part of the capping issue. In my tests, the download rate is all over the place, however upload is pretty much a constant 1M (2M if the burst is short enough.) Draw a 1 mile circle around [ this tower] and count the number of houses. This is not a very high density area. There are other sites with significantly higher volumes where this modem gets less than 1M down, and dialup modem speeds up. | |
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Re: I was ready to get Clear....again; just because their service doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for someone else outside of your market or even in your market. | |
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cramer
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2010-Sep-30 8:57 pm
Re: I was ready to get Clear....I didn't say it doesn't work. I said it was not recommended (for fixed installations) due to the unstable nature of the medium. This is true of 3G as well. Congestion is ultimately beyond the carrier's control. (vs. wired services... just don't plug any more people in.)
I am in a legacy Clearwire WiMax area -- not their latest highspeed technology. The L2 backhaul half way across the state makes it look even worse. | |
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You don't understand...Thats what you guys don't seem to understand. Clear has a backbone connection. lets say for arguments sake that it's a T3. 45 mbit/sec. If 100 users are utilizing around 20 mbits total and 3 more users come on and starts a torrent download, those 3 users will be throttled back so they don't interfere with each other or the other users. They just take the top users/abusers and throttle them so that everyone has a more consistent experience.
For this reason, they can't give you limits. Now it's quite clear that if users in certain areas are seeing severe degradation, the backbone needs to get upgraded or maybe more towers need to be put in place. | |
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Re: You don't understand...nobody on here cares about that. They just want limits and to bitch after the company gives low ones. The same as they did with Comcast. | |
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Re: You don't understand...said by hottboiinnc4:nobody on here cares about that. They just want limits and to bitch after the company gives low ones. The same as they did with Comcast. No, they complain about undisclosed limits and vague statements on purpose. | |
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2010-Sep-29 6:06 pm
Re: You don't understand...and also false or at least misleading advertising. | |
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Re: You don't understand...and yet people still bitch about the 250gig cap because "its not fair with what we can do", "we can't download our *nix distro XXX number of times this month" and "we can stream NetFlix 24/7 for 30 days straight".
Should i find the posts about everyone on here still bitching about the cap.
And as far as misleading advertising- the "unlimited" was gone well before they started booting people. | |
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2010-Oct-1 3:31 am
Re: You don't understand...I'd be happy to tried my as yet uncapped TWC cable connection for the 250GB Comcast one. When Comcast was running the show here, shit was reliable. It's gone to pot ever since they traded my market to TWC. The only good thing TWC's done here is bump up download speeds from 5 to 7Mb, and I don't even really care about that. I'd rather have some upload. | |
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Eek2121, no, sir you don't understand that in the Atlanta market all the towers use 800mbps 100% microwave links back to the main switch which is a 1gbps interconnect; which is more than enough capacity. | |
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Re: You don't understand...said by SysOp:Eek2121, no, sir you don't understand that in the Atlanta market all the towers use 800mbps 100% microwave links back to the main switch which is a 1gbps interconnect; which is more than enough capacity. And how do you know that's enough? What about the number of users? keep in mind that a 1 gbps connection can only support 100 users pulling 10 mbit down. If you have 2000-3000 users and 100 of them are maxing out their connections, then the other 1900-2900 users would experience slowness. | |
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Worries meI just got Clear and I would hate to be in the middle of something and my connection drops. | |
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2010-Sep-29 3:47 pm
Surf as much as you want @ 256kTo be fair, you can stream as much crap as you want. All day long, in fact. However, your speed will be all over the map, or flat @256k. | |
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2010-Sep-29 4:01 pm
Re: Surf as much as you want @ 256kYou can't stream anything at 256Kbps, a snail has better chance of finishing a 1500 meter run before you can finish one video. | |
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2010-Sep-29 3:48 pm
I am being "Managed" aka throttled aka sandbaggedMy average usage is 50 gigs per month, over the past 4 months.
No p2p, no servers, just netflix, online radio, youtube, email, VoIP.
Clear just installed a Sandvine traffic management system and I am getting caught in the sand trap:
Day 1 256kbps Day 2 256kbps Day 3 256kbps Day 4 256kbps Day 5 256kbps Day 6 1mbps Day 7 2mbps | |
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2010-Sep-29 3:54 pm
To 256Kbps is not "a small amount of bandwidth"You're joking right? I get this in the morning: Clear is saying that that throttling me to .25Mbps is giving up a small amount of bandwidth? SMALL? | |
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Re: To 256Kbps is not "a small amount of bandwidth"no where do that say 256Kbps. Also they don't target one user. They tagert them ALL and give them all the same amount of bandwidth to use. | |
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Run that speedtest 10 times in a row. I'm 100% certain you won't see those speeds every time. | |
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Sure, there is a market for 256kbps, it's call AOL 4G | |
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Unlimited Spectrum HAWhat happened to everyone saying Oh well Clear is so much better than VZW's LTE will be and wont have any capacity issues? | |
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Re: Unlimited Spectrum HAClear has backhaul issues the same issue ATT had and VZ will have when everything is put on their network. When they put up the new backhaul things will improve. And as far as 256k? Yah. | |
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Sounds like they are trying to juggle everyone...This sounds like traffic management at work. It's not so much that they're targeting anyone specific but they have to do something so that everyone can still access the service and download. Keep in mind that this is a finite system and it too has limits. | |
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Where is you god now wimax shills?Where is you god now wimax shills?
Before when Clear was Clearwire running fixed psuedo-wimax equipment, they throttled P2P with TCP reset injection. Nobody remembers that right? Their throttling language has been in their TOS from before Sprint got involved. | |
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2010-Sep-29 11:04 pm
All of a sudden my speed droppedI test my line at least weekly. I have been getting between 3MB/sec and 4.1 MB/sec. All of a sudden yesterday and today, I ahve been getting 10% of that. There has been no rain or clouds that sometimes cut the speed. I will have to call them in the morning. | |
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HD_fan
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2010-Sep-30 11:51 am
I'm Being Throttled Right Now! I've been getting .25-.30mbps for the last 5 days after downloading around 10gb over 3 days (not in one go). Called them and they said I was being "managed". I'm going back to DSL even though I only get 1.5mbps where I am. | |
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Ian1
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2010-Sep-30 1:33 pm
Marketing/Vs. Reality = AntiTrust?Their sales page still indicates.....
"Usage is unlimited believe it. You can upload, download, and surf as much as you want for one low price with any of the CLEAR Internet plans. We dont slow down your connection the way some Internet providers do if we think you are using too much bandwidth."
Even if, buried in their TOS, the legalese that nobody reads states otherwise, what they are doing is slowing down someones speeds based on their use. And individual users, based on their use patterns, not tower-wide throttling. In other words "the way some Internet Providers do."
I'm no lawyer, but I think Clear could be setting themselves for for a Class Action suit or Government intervention.
In the modern age of broadband, your business model simply can't be "Sell a service as unlimited broadband to as many people as we can.... Until it is over-subscribed... THEN upgrade the network." | |
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2010-Sep-30 6:30 pm
Throttled in Seattle.38Mb/s Down and .24Mb/s Up since yesterday. @Clear on Twitter said to me: "Are you still experiencing slow speeds? If so I would recommend calling in to work with a tech rep to resolve this issue. =)" I'll be giving them a call later today. | |
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Clearwire HAS to throttle, just like any other ISP.Remember: there's software out there -- such as BitTorrent -- that's bound and determined to take over the network and will exhaust its resources. Any ISP that doesn't throttle is going to slow to a crawl, have endless complaints from users whose connections are choked off by the bandwidth hogs and pirates, and be financially insolvent. (Figuring this out isn't rocket science; you can work it out on the back of a napkin.) Why did people think that Clear was some sort of exception, just because it has a big hoard of wireless spectrum? | |
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Thespis
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2010-Oct-2 7:17 am
Re: Clearwire HAS to throttle, just like any other ISP.said by SuperWISP: Any ISP that doesn't throttle is going to slow to a crawl, have endless complaints from users whose connections are choked off by the bandwidth hogs and pirates, and be financially insolvent. (Figuring this out isn't rocket science; you can work it out on the back of a napkin.) My FIOS connection isn't throttled, doesn't slow to a crawl and almost nobody complains about the service. (Now billing is another matter...) | |
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decepticon
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2010-Oct-3 9:59 pm
clear are liars.025-0.05 mbps for me thanks for nothing clear thanks for youre hands off approach.when are yall gonna stop being bi**hes and say something to youre customers other than its like a slice of pie> or we dont target anyone user> or we take a hands off approach> or if youre not happy you can cancel youre youre contract! | |
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portlandcust
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2010-Oct-5 12:07 am
connection has slowed to a crawlMy connection has been slowed to .24mbps for 4 days now. I got three different stories from 3 different tech folks. Apparently the Network Management System is managing my connection. So far, if I leave my modem off for 8 hrs, I can stream 20 minutes of video before my connection is slowed to .24mbps again, and then I turn off my modem for another 8 hrs and repeat.
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2010-Oct-5 10:57 pm
Re: connection has slowed to a crawlThey have done the same thing to me but it has been 3 weeks now. I never get anything better than 256 and I am not downloading anything. Tech support told me it was due to high traffic and the next one told me my tower was being managed. I am sure the next one will tell me some other bs story. I watch 4 or 5 tv shows a week and test linux software. there is now way i am using more than 4 gigs a month. I probably have not even used 500K this month. I can't I can't even load a page that has any graphics without it timing out. OK fine they want to ruin my Internet connection then let me out of my contract so I can go get another carrier that won't. There customer service sucks. I have heard of about 15 other people in treasure valley Idaho that are having the same issues. | |
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