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Re: Are they insane!?I agree. This is nothing more then a "greed" move. | |
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Re: Are they insane!?Why is the the CEO of Time-Warner even commenting on this. If he colludes with other studios / content providers against Netflix isn't that illegal restraint of trade? | |
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Bring Back the Bad Old Days!Anyone else here remember that back in the 1980s we usually saw a 3 year window between the time a movie came out in the theaters and the time it was released on VHS? | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by pnh102:Anyone else here remember that back in the 1980s we usually saw a 3 year window between the time a movie came out in the theaters and the time it was released on VHS? That's even worse! And I was born in 86! | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!I remember those days. HBO was the primary way to view movies at home and VHS was just getting started. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!I remember many movies in our cabinet are recorded off HBO.
the HBO Saturday Night Movie, 8pm Eastern. if it was something you like you put a blank in the VCR or one that still had room and hit record. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!I have 100 or so Beta tapes with all sorts of that stuff.
We would rent movies a few times a month and actually stopped renting when VHS became the dominate medium. | |
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said by pnh102:Anyone else here remember that back in the 1980s we usually saw a 3 year window between the time a movie came out in the theaters and the time it was released on VHS? You must have gone to a shitty video rental place. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by mob:You must have gone to a shitty video rental place. Every video rental place in the 1980s sucked. If you weren't there by 5pm on a Friday you could forget about finding a copy of any popular movie. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!that sounds like blockbuster video in the 90s which is the last time i went to one. | |
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said by pnh102:said by mob:You must have gone to a shitty video rental place. Every video rental place in the 1980s sucked. If you weren't there by 5pm on a Friday you could forget about finding a copy of any popular movie. Those fortunate enough to have been patrons of Philadelphia's TLA Video would disagree. The selection, and attitude, was close to "if it's 'in print' and somewhat legally available in the world, we either have, or will get it, especially if you want it...". Like great Record stores, great Video stores did exist. | |
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said by mob:said by pnh102:Anyone else here remember that back in the 1980s we usually saw a 3 year window between the time a movie came out in the theaters and the time it was released on VHS? You must have gone to a shitty video rental place. Actually even in the late 80's the window as about 12-18 months from movie theater to home video. In fact ET took 7 years. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by pnh102:Every video rental place in the 1980s sucked. If you weren't there by 5pm on a Friday you could forget about finding a copy of any popular movie. That had to suck. My family used a local video rental chain, and they had great stock, multiple copies of most video rentals, they would order loads of tapes for a big release, and then sell off the copies pretty cheap once it was not as popular to rent. In fact I used to have a couple large boxes of different movies I bought for $3 each used. said by 88615298:Actually even in the late 80's the window as about 12-18 months from movie theater to home video. In fact ET took 7 years. I do remember the window for delay between theater and home video releases being a bit longer than it is now, but years long was the exception, not the standard. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by mob:said by pnh102:Every video rental place in the 1980s sucked. If you weren't there by 5pm on a Friday you could forget about finding a copy of any popular movie. That had to suck. My family used a local video rental chain, and they had great stock, multiple copies of most video rentals, they would order loads of tapes for a big release, and then sell off the copies pretty cheap once it was not as popular to rent. In fact I used to have a couple large boxes of different movies I bought for $3 each used. said by 88615298:Actually even in the late 80's the window as about 12-18 months from movie theater to home video. In fact ET took 7 years. I do remember the window for delay between theater and home video releases being a bit longer than it is now, but years long was the exception, not the standard. Listen I'm 42 so I was a tennager in the 80's so I am old enough to remember these things. 12-18 months was common | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by 88615298:said by mob:said by pnh102:Every video rental place in the 1980s sucked. If you weren't there by 5pm on a Friday you could forget about finding a copy of any popular movie. That had to suck. My family used a local video rental chain, and they had great stock, multiple copies of most video rentals, they would order loads of tapes for a big release, and then sell off the copies pretty cheap once it was not as popular to rent. In fact I used to have a couple large boxes of different movies I bought for $3 each used. said by 88615298:Actually even in the late 80's the window as about 12-18 months from movie theater to home video. In fact ET took 7 years. I do remember the window for delay between theater and home video releases being a bit longer than it is now, but years long was the exception, not the standard. Listen I'm 42 so I was a tennager in the 80's so I am old enough to remember these things. 12-18 months was common Im 42 as well and that was indeed common and even longer for popular movies. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by Lagz:Im 42 as well and that was indeed common and even longer for popular movies. Not that terribly long ago (even AMTV -After MTV..) , theatrical presentation runs of popular films often lasted quite a bit longer than the interval between MS's critical OS update releases. Between first runs (somtimes even proceeded by "Road Shows" for the biggest Hollywood pushes), then second runs, and sometimes more, it was not uncommon for popular films to be on screen somewhere in a city or town, for many months. These longer presentation runs were also true for many overall less popular, yet top "art" films (and of course those special "Midnight Movies"....). Then there were the 'oversees" markets. Video releases were usually timed well after this, which partial accounts for this longer time to video release. | |
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Yes, and the tapes when they did come out cost like $100? | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by Karl Bode:Yes, and the tapes when they did come out cost like $100? Yes they did. It actually drove old-school piracy because no one wanted to pay that much for a tape. | |
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said by Karl Bode:Yes, and the tapes when they did come out cost like $100? Yep. That was so only movie rental places could afford them. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!that is why it was cool once the house had two VCRs, you go to radio shack and get a video stabilizer to kill the macrovision and you gain yourself a movie off the rental without waiting for extra months for retail. | |
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said by Karl Bode:Yes, and the tapes when they did come out cost like $100? Yes, they did cost $100. And when you rented them it was usually $2 for a new release, and $1 for an older movie. Now we have DVD's which cost under $20 retail to buy- and rental fees have soared to $4-5 for each movie. And they wonder why people pirate... | |
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It's conceivable in the 80s they were $100 or more.
In 1991, when cars didn't have remote key fobs, the lock on my car was frozen. After a few choice words, I laid the VHS rental on top of my car roof and began to work with my door lock. I finally managed to get inside but completely forgot about the tape on the roof. When I arrived at the video store I realized what happened and retraced my path. About half way home I found it...smashed to bits by passing cars.
I picked up what I could and returned it to the store. They charged me nearly $80 to "replace" the movie. They wanted to charge me sales tax but I balked and said this is a fee for replacing the video because I wasn't "buying" the video. Not able to figure out how to ring it without tax, the clerk finally reduced the replacement cost by the cost of the tax and we parted ways.
I was quite upset that they charged me a replacement cost that was equal to the price for which I could buy a new copy. I expected to be charged a wholesale replacement cost, not their cost plus profit! I brought enough of it back that the could tell I didn't conveniently "lose it" just so I could have my own copy at a discount. | |
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Does anyone remember when the video movie disks were bigger than a 78 RPM vinyl record? Oh wait...most people here may not have been even born back then. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by WHT:Does anyone remember when the video movie disks were bigger than a 78 RPM vinyl record? Oh wait...most people here may not have been even born back then. Yep, LaserDisc was the first time I ever saw the full uncut music video for "Girls on Film"... | |
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said by WHT:Does anyone remember when the video movie disks were bigger than a 78 RPM vinyl record? Oh wait...most people here may not have been even born back then. ah yes that failure known as LaserDisc. Media size+Cost ment it failed hard in the US. | |
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said by Karl Bode:Yes, and the tapes when they did come out cost like $100? Yes they weren't meant for "home consumption" at the time, it was primary for the rental market, and the studios made their money that way. These days a blockbuster might pay 10 bucks for a movie it rents for 6, but also buys 100 or so for each location.. so it kinda works out the same. | |
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I remember that.
The only video store in town went out of business so I get my movies at Redbox and I don't mind waiting. Movies aren't as good as they used to be. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by Hazeleyze:I remember that. The only video store in town went out of business so I get my movies at Redbox and I don't mind waiting. Movies aren't as good as they used to be. I feel the same way, there just aren't anything that drive me to want to go see a movie in a theater, and this was even before having the need to find someone to watch the kids should we choose to go. For any given movie, I don't mind waiting for it to come out at Redbox. I almost always have one of their free movie codes whenever we do want to see a movie. | |
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said by Hazeleyze:I remember that. The only video store in town went out of business so I get my movies at Redbox and I don't mind waiting. Movies aren't as good as they used to be. We used to have a local video store in town. I remember once DVD's came out they had like two racks (vs the whole store VHS) of DVD's. I remember they were expensive and, at that time, a DVD burner was an expensive luxury and the blank DVD's were also expensive. Their business collapsed shortly thereafter. Wonder how many other mom-n-pop video rental places wound up like this? | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by fcisler:Wonder how many other mom-n-pop video rental places wound up like this? Pretty much all of them. There was a ton of them around where I live, and now the only one that's still standing is Blockbuster, which doesn't really count as a mom-and-pop store and is expected to fold completely any day now. Once that happens, I think it will be between Netflix, Redbox and streaming (which Netflix does already). | |
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said by Hazeleyze:I remember that. The only video store in town went out of business so I get my movies at Redbox and I don't mind waiting. Movies aren't as good as they used to be. Highly Highly disagree. You just got to find them. There still a whole lot of quality recent movies out there. I can name 100 or more. | |
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the movies aren't as good. there is no shawshank redemtion of 2010 and I don't forsee something as good in 2020. it's always special effects this, big-named start that. when you sit down and watch, the quality of the acting, writing and directing is poor - it feels like first year college student's work.
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said by Hazeleyze:I remember that. The only video store in town went out of business so I get my movies at Redbox and I don't mind waiting. Movies aren't as good as they used to be. And very limited selection doesn't help. I want to see old stuff and TV/television series too, but without subscription and DRM. | |
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said by pnh102:Anyone else here remember that back in the 1980s we usually saw a 3 year window between the time a movie came out in the theaters and the time it was released on VHS? Yeah, and if you lost their tape and had to buy it, they charged about $70. | |
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Yep, the studio's got so many things wrong back then and if they had their way, consumers would never be allowed to own content, fair use or not.
They hated the VCR and weren't too keen on people having 'home theaters' and were very slow to commit to VHS. The 'Priced for Rental' model meant tapes were $100, discouraging people from actually owning movies. | |
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2010-Nov-4 10:44 am
Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!I still wonder where the movie industry is going. People keep saying it is dying but tons of people still go to see movies, even paying more money to do so. My guess is that these delays are more a way to get the crowd who simply have to see movies to pay more for them. | |
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Re: Bring Back the Bad Old Days!said by pnh102:I still wonder where the movie industry is going. People keep saying it is dying but tons of people still go to see movies, even paying more money to do so. My guess is that these delays are more a way to get the crowd who simply have to see movies to pay more for them. It's called "3D", they charge a premium to see a 3d movie and most movies these days coming out are in 3D | |
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said by pnh102:Anyone else here remember that back in the 1980s we usually saw a 3 year window between the time a movie came out in the theaters and the time it was released on VHS? but that number went down on improvments of technology and distribution...NOT UP. | |
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BACKFIRE. I pray, right in their executive collective arses. Maybe you don't (all?) recall (I do) when Disney (aka Buena Vista) had 7 year moratoriums on their movies in the theaters (and on VHS, BETA and then CED and LD, then DVD). They figured that parents would make it a MUST see now before they pull the movie and never release it (till seven years later) again. Did it work? I don't think so. I believe that the gap in generations left alot missed. And most of the Disney crap soon was superceded by the higher quality ANIME (seeing this, Buena Vista bought into several movies...). Delaying a release is stalling revenue of ANY kind. Will it promote piracy of titles? Don't know that one. Will it make folks buy movies instead? Ha, have you seen what your DVD collection is worth(less) now? And how many times you going to watch those JarJarBinks (because you had to buy that DVD) ? (maybe some parents find buying better to pacify their kids but...) I've over 40 titles in my Netflix Q, most non-streaming, most Non-warner, Non-Sony. I could care less. But if it gets that bad where they are years from release to streaming, there are always books to read...  | |
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Oh yes, I remember that. And, I didn't have a VHS player and didn't rent movies back then, either, because the value was too low. | |
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said by pnh102:Anyone else here remember that back in the 1980s we usually saw a 3 year window between the time a movie came out in the theaters and the time it was released on VHS? That 3 year window was down to 1 year in the late 80s at the dawn of cable-tv PPV! Look at what can happen now... it could hit the internet on illicit bit torrent search engines before the media is actually played on a single first-run movie theater! Of course a "bit" less likely today thanks to the mpaa filing the nuclear option with the bush 2 white house over to sweden... but can still happen. Time Warner really doesn't get this revolution that's happening.. afterall 2-15 megabit upload is more than enough for anybody, right? Even the cable-tv subscription model is dying a slow death. | |
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Bad idea...I think the whole delay thing, is a bad idea. If anything, we should be able get titles sooner, rather than later.
And yes, all it does it make us go some place else to get what we want. The sad thing in all of this, are people like me, who are willing to pay, but are sick and tired of waiting.
I'd love to be able to get my eyes on first run movies. I hate going to the theater. This only makes me angry.
The funny thing is, in all of this, I can still see TONS more stuff with Amazon streaming than I can on netflix. I think the movie people like the pay-per-view model, over the all you can eat like netflix has.
The happy medium may be the end of all you can eat, like netflix has with their streaming, and the price of pay-per-view like Amazon but with lower per-view pricing. | |
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2010-Nov-4 9:36 am
I find this quote a huge cop out"Making it harder for broadband users to access new releases simply means many of them are going to flock to pirate sources to see these films -- instead of paying for them." There's no excuse for piracy. It's like we are dealing with a bunch of kids who have no notion of delayed gratification. While I completely agree with the point that delays in new releases just because they think it will help physical media sales is hogwash, I think using the piracy card as an argument is wrong. People who pirate junk will do so no matter what since they will always find a way to rationalize getting it for free. This article just legitimized one of points they use to rationalize theft. | |
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2010-Nov-4 9:37 am
Who Cares.My local library will have it and I'll check it out legally, for free. | |
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Re: Who Cares.said by syslock:My local library will have it and I'll check it out legally, for free. I'm sure they ware working on shutting that avenue down too. Up here in Toronto, the local rental stores (Blockbuster, Rogers video) screamed about the library having new releases to loan out, so the library changed the way they lend those movies, they won't shuffle them between branches anymore (for a year) and you have to get the movie that stuffed into that branch. | |
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2010-Nov-4 9:44 am
Huh?"...many of them are going to flock to pirate sources to see these films..."
This is absurd. I suspect the majority of Netflix streaming users are unfamiliar with how to steal/pirate video from the web. They will be merely inconvenienced (marginally) by this delay. The pirates will still download regardless of the window simply because they can. Netflix does not change that behavior no more than it changes the behavior of honest folk. | |
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Re: Two wordsSorry but Red Box is not the answer because they too are being asked to follow the same restrictions as Netflix | |
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We the company in order to form a more imperfect experience.Hello, this is the MPAA and we'd like to mess up something again and even more than before, thank you and please give us money.
I'm tired of seeing "defects" when I watch films in the theater and its really just piracy tracking in disguise then they remove content form the rental version and try to get rental places to stop using first buy rights and now things, and they want to extend it too.
While we are at it, do we really need Bluray remakes, like "The Last Starfgihter" really? | |
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2010-Nov-4 10:19 am
Yea, there's streaming but........don't get too excited about streaming guys. It's just a matter of time before the cable companies who also offer internet will be imposing ridiculous metered billing, bandwidth caps and overage fees to make up for their lost cable revenue. Then those great Netflix movies you can just stream will ending up costing you $3 a film after the first one. | |
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2010-Nov-4 11:45 am
Re: Yea, there's streaming but.....said by PRTV :
...don't get too excited about streaming guys. It's just a matter of time before the cable companies who also offer internet will be imposing ridiculous metered billing, bandwidth caps and overage fees to make up for their lost cable revenue. Then those great Netflix movies you can just stream will ending up costing you $3 a film after the first one.
Except Time Warner tried to do that and there was a backlash. I have Charter and there's a 250 GB cap, but it's not enforced. And even if they did enforce it they would never get away with REDUCING the cap. | |
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2010-Nov-4 10:19 am
Trying to stop the bleeding?This article is 2 above this one, Time Warner Cable Loses 155,000 TV Customers, on the front page. Looks to me like they're in panic mode and think that this will help. Might be too late for that now. | |
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2010-Nov-4 10:22 am
21st Century Business ModelLet's make things as hard, annoying, and difficult as possible for the people who are paying money to us in the hopes of making $201.00 per user instead of $200.00
All the while, not realizing that it becomes more and more easy, much less annoying, and, honestly, downright simple to go the pirate route.
Someone made a poster a while back comparing watching a blu-ray disc as a consumer and as a pirate.
It went something like this:
Consumer:
put in disc-> FBI Warning-> Rating Warning (un-skippable)-> Trailer One (not skip, but FFWD)-> Rating Warning (un-skippable)-> Trailer Two (not skip, but FFWD)-> Rating Warning (un-skippable)-> Trailer Three (not skip, but FFWD)-> Blu-Ray commercial on how great it is-> Finally Movie Menu-> Scroll through menu to find play-> More FBI Warnings and Copyright Warnings (unskippable)-> Movie finally starts.
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put in disc-> watch movie
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whyI don't know why they think they have any movie that's so good as to be worth paying $20 to own it. For heavens sake, most of it is crap and I won't even spend the money to see it in the theater. If it's available on Netflix, great. If they expect me to shell out my hard earned money for something I'm only going to watch once, forget about it. A DVD should be priced the same as a theater ticket since I'm not going to watch it again and again. | |
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2010-Nov-4 11:52 am
Re: whysaid by rmdir:I don't know why they think they have any movie that's so good as to be worth paying $20 to own it. For heavens sake, most of it is crap and I won't even spend the money to see it in the theater. If it's available on Netflix, great. If they expect me to shell out my hard earned money for something I'm only going to watch once, forget about it. A DVD should be priced the same as a theater ticket since I'm not going to watch it again and again. If you are only going to see it once why would you buy it? That's what a RENTAL is for. And rental prices are actually cheaper than a movie ticket. I'm not getting your point. | |
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2010-Nov-4 10:34 am
IdiocyWhat part of if I dont want to buy it, I'm not going to buy it do they not understand. One way or another I will always rent something before I decide to buy it, we do not go to the movies often because it's super expensive and we only go to things we have a reasonable expectation that it will be good. If it starts to suck, we get a refund and leave period. I'm tired of sitting through utter crap, and half the content lately is recycled.
28 days is fine, make it any longer and people who were willing to rent it will just say screw it. | |
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| J AlertMayhem til the AM
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2010-Nov-4 10:37 am
Re: IdiocyThis is so true. I enjoyed movies like Cloverfield, Iron Man, and Star Trek --- not nearly enough to buy them though. I would watch them again though if they were streaming and/or on cable. Epix bought the rights, I don't have Epix, so I didn't get to see it.
I sure as heck didn't go out and buy the bluray because I couldn't see it streaming. Those movies are now streaming and it's been so long since I've seen them, it's like seeing them almost new again. | |
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said by NOCMan:What part of if I dont want to buy it, I'm not going to buy it do they not understand. One way or another I will always rent something before I decide to buy it, we do not go to the movies often because it's super expensive and we only go to things we have a reasonable expectation that it will be good. If it starts to suck, we get a refund and leave period. I'm tired of sitting through utter crap, and half the content lately is recycled. 28 days is fine, make it any longer and people who were willing to rent it will just say screw it. exactly, i rented star-trek, dad liked it so much i baught it so he could watch it when ever. i rented iron man, i could take it or leave it but definitally not buy it. (havent seen the 2nd since its apparantly just a freakin lead in to the 3rd) no matter what the movie exec's do, i will not buy a movie out right. i will rent it first. but if renting is no longer an option. and im not willing to risk a viri, then i just wont buy it, period. | |
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In the 1980's Sony won the battle and lost the war.  When Sony introduced the Betamax video recorder the movie industry sued Sony to stop the sale of Betimax. The Supreme Court saw it a different way and Sony won the case. On the other hand Sony lost the war, because when JVC introduced the VHS Video Recorder, the movie industry withheld releasing movies in the Betamax Format until about a month after the movie was released in the VHS format. That put Betamax out of business because customers stopped renting movies in the Betamax format and began renting them in the VHS format. I learned that fact the hard way. I had a Betamax VCR and did business with a local video tape rental store that rented tapes in the Betamax format. One day I was advised by the owner that he was selling his entire inventory of Betamax tapes to a video store in the Midwest and would stop renting movies in the Betamax format. He explained that he was losing business because many of his customers had purchased VHS VCR's because movies were released earlier in the VHS format and stopped renting movies in the Betamax format. The movie industry screwed Sony. In my opinion Time Warner is simply trying to put Netflix out of business by extending the release date of movies offered by Netflix. | |
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2010-Nov-4 10:47 am
Works for meNetflix has demonstrated that they are able to bring the major studios to the table and negotiate for rights they don't have - entice the content owners to allow home audiences access at very modest prices.
To date, no one else has pulled this off.
28 days is a good number - but if its 60 or 90 or 120, for some studios, that's a lot better result than a weak library of titles.
The real issue yet to be resolved, is how the ISPs will negotiate streaming bandwidth - in the end, they're going to get something from Netflix - if they represent 20% of evening bandwidth today, imagine what it will grow to when they have a deep library of 1080p titles. | |
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A better article, with one hell of a quoteHere's a better article than the one above: » news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_t ··· -rentalsIn case you don't want to read the entire article, let me sum it up this way. These guys are saying that they'll adjust the no-rental window and decide what they will and won't allow to be streamed purely to maximize profits. If that annoys customers, too bad. You'll take what they give you when they decide to give it to you, and you'll like it. And it has a quote that just about sums the whole thing up: Universal's president of home video said, "we don't have an obligation to give consumers what they want when they want it." It doesn't get any more in-your-face than that. | |
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| Tavokk
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2010-Nov-4 11:57 am
Re: A better article, with one hell of a quotesaid by ISurfTooMuch:Universal's president of home video said, "we don't have an obligation to give consumers what they want when they want it." It doesn't get any more in-your-face than that. What a douche-bag! I think I just decided to stop taking my family (6 of us) to the movies and buying DVDs/Blurays. | |
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What a moron... Hope he'll have to eat his words not in so distant future.. | |
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paladin252
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2010-Nov-4 10:59 am
I'll wait thank you very much...i'll just wait longer to see the movie on netflix, changing the date won't make me go buy it, spend $20 on a new dvd release or wait a month and see it along with all other movies on netflix for $8.99...let me think... | |
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33358088
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2010-Nov-4 11:12 am
starts whistlingi er um don't need to wait thanks.....
ya torrents , news groups and another new way.....
sorry netflix money talks or in this case lack of money talks and yours and time warner's bullshit can walk the plank | |
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2010-Nov-4 11:15 am
Hope they dont delay Zune or iTunesThat would really suck. And when microsoft stops using points?
Here is also a tip. I don't wanna hd movies cost more than 5 and the older titles the less cost.
I got job, there are always be gonna obligations for me to pay for a lot that feel nothing but waste of money but I am willing to rent over piracy. For purchase I prefer physical media. And please include subtitles. It's almost impossible to understand British comedies. ! | |
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When Sony introduced the Betamax video recorder the movie industry sued Sony to stop the sale of Betimax. The Supreme Court saw it a different way and Sony won the case.
