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Re: GoodWhat might be a waste to you might be something someone likes. | |
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said by Duramax08:What might be a waste to you might be something someone likes. Then they alone can pay for it, rather than having their programming subsidized by the other 97% of the market that could care less about the channel. | |
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2010-Nov-5 12:31 pm
Re: Goodsaid by Camelot One:said by Duramax08:What might be a waste to you might be something someone likes. Then they alone can pay for it, rather than having their programming subsidized by the other 97% of the market that could care less about the channel. As long as this goes for all the ESPN and sports channels that many of us could care less about, I'll go with that. | |
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Re: Goodsaid by Time:As long as this goes for all the ESPN and sports channels that many of us could care less about, I'll go with that. I'm with you there. I don't watch any of the sports crap I get in my U200 package. I couldn't care less if it went away tomorrow. I'd rather not pay for it. I don't watch 1/2 the channels I get and couldn't care less about them. | |
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said by Time:said by Camelot One:said by Duramax08:What might be a waste to you might be something someone likes. Then they alone can pay for it, rather than having their programming subsidized by the other 97% of the market that could care less about the channel. As long as this goes for all the ESPN and sports channels that many of us could care less about, I'll go with that. Agreed. Those channels should be paying tv providers to broadcast them. What's the point of paying to watch people talk about sport stats all day with a few games in between. HGTV actually has real content. | |
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good?
they are going to charge you the same rate with or without these channels..
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Re: GoodThis is what makes me the most crazy. Why shouldn't these channels request higher pay when they are getting more viewers. They provide a higher caliber of entertainment than most other channels. When you consider most of their content is new and not re-run, there is a great deal of expense to provide this type of production. U-Verse customers have contracts which lock in their prices. Therefore, if the AT&T coughs up the money, they can't pass it on to the their customers. It has to eat their profits. I'm sorry but if they don't think we are smart enough to notice this, then see how long I and others stay on as customers. | |
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Re: Goodsaid by Folsomite:This is what makes me the most crazy. Why shouldn't these channels request higher pay when they are getting more viewers. What if they're not? As creepy as it sounds, AT&T should be able to tell what the general network demand of a channel is at any time. What if most of their subs aren't spending a lot of time on those channels? | |
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Re: GoodT can't decide what the market value of that channel is. they have no clue what the cost was for any one show. T can only say what they're willing to pay; but they'll give as well. | |
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said by Folsomite:When you consider most of their content is new and not re-run, set your tivo (or whatever it is) to record 24 hours of HGTV and tell me how much is not repeated throughout the day. Or, for more fun, try the week. | |
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said by Folsomite:This is what makes me the most crazy. Why shouldn't these channels request higher pay when they are getting more viewers. They provide a higher caliber of entertainment than most other channels. When you consider most of their content is new and not re-run, there is a great deal of expense to provide this type of production. U-Verse customers have contracts which lock in their prices. Therefore, if the AT&T coughs up the money, they can't pass it on to the their customers. It has to eat their profits. I'm sorry but if they don't think we are smart enough to notice this, then see how long I and others stay on as customers. How about because they already get a buttload of money from the advertisers who buy time on their shows? We're getting creamed TWICE -- once when we have to sit thru their crappy ads, and the second time when we have to PAY to have that crap delivered to us. | |
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Re: GoodYep. Its like wearing mall clothing that you pay $100 to be a walking billboard with 6 inch high letters for their brand. I want $20 a month rent to wear your ads. | |
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2010-Nov-6 11:54 am
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I agree. I'm giving them until the end of the weekend. I am really annoyed. its not like these are seldom watched channels. They are part of the main "hook" of getting customers to sign up. I think ATT are trying to nickel and dime and don't give a rat's A about their customers. If you look on their website where customers were complaining, they have an employee posting sarcastic remarks. | |
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I want my HGTV!
(I'm not an at&t customer, though, so... meh. I'd sooner watch anything on HGTV than any sports on Fox et al--total waste there. Yeah, G4 sucks... always has.) | |
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2010-Nov-5 12:11 pm
Re: GoodTwo of our favorite stations! I'm with you. Good heavens, could you imagine going without Mike Holmes! | |
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2010-Nov-5 12:19 pm
Re: GoodAgreed. HGTV is one of the most watched channels in our home. | |
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Re: GoodIf they lost HGTV and Food; ATT customers also lost Cooking Channel if they even offer that. Cooking belongs to Scripps too. | |
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Our DVR has a number of shows set to record that I'll have to delete. I like UVerse, but my wife is pushing me to consider moving to Dish/DirecTV since the Hallmark channel went dark and now these latest ones. Interesting that as channels drop our price remains steady... | |
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Re: GoodGo to Directv. You get all of them and in HD. Directv just dropped G4 which is fine with me. Ever since it changed from TechTv I quit watching. | |
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Re: Goodthey may have just dropped G4 but your price still stayed the same. And you do realize that Comcast owns NBC now and G4. They'll force DirecTV to carry that channel if they want others.
Plus ALL providers are going to have this problem sooner or later. | |
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said by Trimline:Two of our favorite stations! I'm with you. Good heavens, could you imagine going without Mike Holmes! I could care less about HGTV, but I would go ballistic if I lost the Food Network. I could not live without Iron Chef and Good Eats...  | |
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2010-Nov-5 2:43 pm
Re: GoodAnd let us not forget Paula Deen. She's got great tips, take a look at her page this month. She looks fabulous with that turkey... » www.pauladeen.com/ | |
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Re: Goodsaid by Trimline:And let us not forget Paula Deen. She's got great tips, take a look at her page this month. She looks fabulous with that turkey... » www.pauladeen.com/ I love Paula Deen. She has a restaurant down in Savannah, GA. We took a trip down there last February, but we weren't able to get reservations. I was very disappointed. Another show which I like is "Down Home with the Neely's". I used their recipe for shrimp and grits and it came out great. They're funny, and fun to watch, and their dishes are mostly down home Southern cooking. | |
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G4 was better when it was tech tv and even better it was zdtv when it first came out over ten years ago. Who even watches g4 now? | |
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My wife asked me to call, so I did, and the issue is related to redistribution of Scripps programming on the at&t website. Back in October the parties had an agreement to continue carriage while they negotiated a more permanent agreement, but apparently the website issue was never discussed or resolved. AT&T walked away from the table when Scripps required a separate agreement covering website redistribution, so Scripps pulled the plug. You can call 877-677-6385 to register your opinion. » www.att.com/Common/iptv/ ··· you.htmlPersonally, I think it's time people do without some of these channels until companies like Scripps quit pushing the limit. | |
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Re: GoodTypical website from any of the companies that lost the rights. T has the money they should pay up if they want to do what they want. | |
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2010-Nov-6 3:13 pm
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HGTV lets you watch full episodes on their website.
It is understandable they want you to go to their website and not att.com. | |
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2010-Nov-7 2:06 pm
Re: Goodsaid by r81984:HGTV lets you watch full episodes on their website. It is understandable they want you to go to their website and not att.com. That's part of my personal $10/mo ala cart TV programming. The Gonzo Network. | |
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More like Good Eats, one of the best shows on TV, and happens to be on the food network. | |
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even if they did stop carrying G4, would your bill go down? why do you care if they have that network? | |
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I am fed up with ATT dropping channels after I have paid for them. Why don't they drop the lousy rock crap and all the sports trash. | |
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It's time to leave ATT and their Dish sister - I'm going to Comcast. | |
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2010-Nov-5 11:21 am
Glad that I dudn't go to Uverse thenI'd have family members rebelling over HGTV like a sports fan would over ESPN. | |
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2010-Nov-5 11:30 am
That Sucks..There are three shows I watch regularly on those two networks; Holmes on Homes, Giada De Laurentiis (hot and can cook) and Good Eats. I hope they get their shit together. | |
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2010-Nov-5 11:45 am
Time to make another changeWell let's see... I've quit smoking, burgers and fries; Started flossing and working out; Maybe it's time to quit TV altogether! | |
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Re: Time to make another changeits always time to quit tv altogether. | |
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2010-Nov-5 11:50 am
Not the money, according to ScrippsIn the Scripps press release about the issue, they specifically state that the distribution fee was agreed upon "well in advance" of the deadline. According to them, “AT&T U-verse demanded unreasonably broad video rights for emerging media where business models have not even been established” AT&T is sure implying it's about the money, but aren't flat out saying it's the distribution fees that are the problem. » tvbythenumbers.com/2010/ ··· up/70946 | |
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Hah...Glad I have FiOS TV and no fights are breaking out yet with them. I would have to stop drinking if they got rid of FoodTV. I usually watch that during my Saturday hangover! | |
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Re: Hah...Not yet. But soon VZ will also be fighting with Fox and ABC. BTW wasn't cablevision involved in the same fight few month ago? | |
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This is happening a lot latelyThese content creators vs. the distributors have been happening a lot more lately in the past year, then ever.
You have DirecTV dropping G4
You had NewsCorp/Fox issues with Dish Network and Cablevision
You have Disney and Dish Network pulling some of their HD feeds
You had at one point VS and DirecTV going at it.
You had NewsCorp and Time Warner going at it.
You had Viacom and Time Warner / Brighthouse at it.
You had Big Ten Network and Comcast arguing over time.
Mark Cuban's HDNet and Comcast could never come to agreement until recently.
It's a pretty volitale market. Somethings going to give eventually. That NewsCorp / Cablevision blackout is just the beginning. I have a feeling you are going to see more brute force blackouts and channel pulls.
Then you have DirecTv complaining that they can't make a deal with Rainbow media to get AMC in HD, or they can't get a deal with other content providers for channels like E, We, Style, TCM, HLN, TruTV, BBC America, Cooking, DIY, Fuse, and other HD staples that you would think the supposed 'HD Leader' would have.
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2010-Nov-5 12:10 pm
No big lossI used to love the Food Network -- Unwrapped, Alton Brown, etc. Nowadays its all this stupid "reality show" crap. I really don't care about who makes the worse food, or who has the dirtiest kitchen. I haven't watched the Food Network in probably 8 months and don't miss it at all. Not worth paying more for. | |
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2010-Nov-5 12:13 pm
InterestingI wonder as more cable companies and content providers start doing this, if more people will start thinking that they don't really need cable TV anymore. | |
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That's precisely what I've been thinking lately. I'm going to be moving soon and may use the transition as an excuse to step up to faster Internet and skip TV altogether. | |
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2010-Nov-5 12:18 pm
A whole 12 people lost their...A whole set of 12 people that can actually get UVerse service lost their HGTV and Food Network...
On a serious note as others have said they will increase their rates anyways. Blame it on something else and just buy their gold yachts | |
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2010-Nov-5 12:21 pm
AdvertisingWill the lost audience reduce advertising income for the networks? | |
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UverseFirst of all at&t had the choice to keep these channels on the air while continuing to negotiate. But chose to just pull the channels. Why is that? Isn't this supposed to be about the customer? This crap with this stuff is making me sick. I saw this coming a mile away for at&t. Especially after the cablevision fox crap. There has to start being some kind of regulation between the supplier and provider. As if tv isn't enough right now. People pay alot of money for their tv programming and they just get pulled because they can't negotiate? Are customers going to get discounted for not getting the channels that they pay their hard earned money for? Yeah right. This has got to stop!! | |
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2010-Nov-5 4:04 pm
Re: Uversesaid by londonquacko:First of all at&t had the choice to keep these channels on the air while continuing to negotiate. But chose to just pull the channels. Wrong. Scripps had the choice to keep them on the air. All AT&T has is a satellite receiver that is authorized by Scripps to receive the channels. AT&T isn't going to cut that off because they are receiving the channel "for free" outside of a contract as long as Scripps has authorized the receiver. Scripps would have been the one turning off the receiver's authorization, because they are the ones with that power. AT&T didn't have to do anything. | |
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My take on the situation is as follows. I like what AT&T is trying to accomplish with this (being able to broadcast the content through different medium's aside from their TV boxes). I'm all for being able to view the content on my mobile phone or on my laptop at a remote location. However, the truth is, AT&T doesn't have the customer base to pull this off. The only way they have a chance of pulling off something such as this is to align themselves with a larger carrier (i.e. Comcast or DirecTV) who are also willing to play hardball for these rights. | |
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What do people really watch?I have basic Directv. In my house the most watched channels are:
Disney
DIY
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HGTV
Disney is really the only reason I still have it. The rest can be found online somewhere.
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2010-Nov-5 12:59 pm
Glad I didn't pick U-VerseI had narrowed down the choice of TV provider for the new house I bought to DirecTV and U-Verse. I already threw out TWC and Dish at some point as a contender. Went with DirecTV due to better picture quality, and the possibility U-Verse might lose Food Network and HGTV.
Those are two of my favorite networks nowadays, and my wife would kill me if those channels were to disappear.
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2010-Nov-5 1:06 pm
The internet or IPTV in general could solve this.No one wants to do this but it would great to just buy these stations/shows and map them to the channels as you like them. | |
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a la cartemight as well put it to a vote.. send out ballots.. if 67% of customers want to pay higher costs (cable company needs to inform subscribers of specific $ increase--specific numbers) for channels fine, if not... then the networks go to the a-la-carte section. can't wait until customers KNOW what they'd be paying for and not paying for once in a while.
you'd be surprised how descretionary spending becomes a bloodless stone when the cash ain't rolling in.. or how much cable networks might discount their entertainment if it's in the a-la-carte section. though, doubtful at&t is one cable provider to buck the trend of giving in to passing on higher rates/costs
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AT&T inside knowledge..With uverse at&t knows everything you watch, which channels you switch to, how long you spent watching each channel, what you record... everything. Everything you do with your remote with the exception of volume and other minor things has to be handled by at&t's 'distribution office'
I'm sure at&t used this 'inside' information to make the decision to pull these channels.
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