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Hollywood Quietly Tries To Pass COICA Again
If at first you don't succeed...
by Karl Bode 11:02AM Wednesday Nov 17 2010
Earlier this year we explored how the entertainment industry got two of their top campaign contribution recipients, Senators Patrick Leahy and Orrin Hatch, to field a bill that would create a website blacklist and give the Department of Justice the ability to censor or shut down certain websites deemed "dedicated to infringing activities." Given the potential for abuse by a DOJ stocked with entertainment industry lawyers, groups like the EFF argued the bill was a dangerous path toward censorship and managed to get the effort shelved, though apparently the entertainment industry has brought the bill back and is again trying to rush it through during a lame duck session.

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Give it up.

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Re: Give it up.

Remind me to donate to the EFF >

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Re: Give it up.

said by c1590:

Remind me to donate to the EFF >

Did you remember to donate?

88615298
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even if it passes

there wil be lawsuit and the law wouldn't take ffect until it went through the courts. COPA was passed in 1998 and still isn't law.
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my own senator is a co-sponsor

Demand Progress sent out a reminder to call your politicians with your opinion, when they heard this bill would resurface. I called both of my senators, Mikulski and Cardin. Both told me that they appreciated my opinions (blah), Mikulski's phone operator said she did not know how the senator would vote but Cardin's office said, "Thank you for your opinion, but I do believe Cardin has already made up his mind to vote against the bill". Not 30 minutes later, I research a bit more and find out he's a co-sponsor? Lack of communication much?
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Re: my own senator is a co-sponsor

said by TehZomB:

Demand Progress sent out a reminder to call your politicians with your opinion, when they heard this bill would resurface. I called both of my senators, Mikulski and Cardin. Both told me that they appreciated my opinions (blah), Mikulski's phone operator said she did not know how the senator would vote but Cardin's office said, "Thank you for your opinion, but I do believe Cardin has already made up his mind to vote against the bill". Not 30 minutes later, I research a bit more and find out he's a co-sponsor? Lack of communication much?
Mikulski and Cardin are the worst examples of business as usual in Congress.
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This is a road to china like censorship

Lets see the movie industry purchases a law that lets them block sites like Pirate Bay to US people. but that is only the tip of the ice berg, pretty soon someone opens a site with legit mud on a senator, the law is modified to allow protection of government officials and the site gets blocked.

P2P file sharing based copyright violation is and should remain a civil issue. the DOJ should not be allowed to tell me I cannot go to a website.
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Re: This is a road to china like censorship

I don't know if this will build the Great Firewall of America, but I do not trust the government to just stop at sites that make piracy easy (tell me again WHY is the federal governmnet wanting to censor site that offend some coporate obese cats? sarcasm ) and not go on to censoring other site? what's to say that the 'protect/for the children' mob demand child porn sites to be block? (note: I am NOT saying keep kiddie porn sites unblocked, just find the pervs that get off to it and throw them in jail and take down sites that serve that kind of content. if they can find a kiddie porn site to block, shouldn't they go after server anyways???) What about anti-all porn from censoring all porn site? from advocating a block on ?

I understand that piracy sites are most likely not protected by the 1st amendment (based on looking at various laws pertaining to: verbal assault/harassment, racism, verbal threats, verbally creating a mass panic for no reason, slander, libel), but how long would for this new interest in censorship start to unquestionably violate the first amendment? Will the Supreme Court do its part?
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Re: This is a road to china like censorship

And they could theoretically take down offending sites like the offense of my lyrics in the 2 punk rock bands i am in.
singing anti- something lyrics could be censored by this arsehole PC Government.

I am just going to continue in my personal boycott of all things MAFIAA.
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It's already happening in Australia, where websites with political speech are censored on the "secret blacklist".

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couldn't agree with you more.

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said by Kearnstd:

Lets see the movie industry purchases a law that lets them block sites like Pirate Bay to US people.
If they succeed, real pirates will simply go through off-shore VPN servers and will get to these sites anyway. Good luck catching them then.
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Re: This is a road to china like censorship

said by Pirate515:

said by Kearnstd:

Lets see the movie industry purchases a law that lets them block sites like Pirate Bay to US people.
If they succeed, real pirates will simply go through off-shore VPN servers and will get to these sites anyway. Good luck catching them then.
and that is just it, the MAFIAA is playing an endless game of whack-a-mole. they should just accept piracy and do what they can to minimize the desire for causal piracy. More freedoms with our media, reasonable copyright time limits, etc. I mean right now if you downloaded "Happy Birthday" off a torrent it would still be piracy. Same with anything by Elvis even though the king is long dead.
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Re: This is a road to china like censorship

said by Kearnstd:

the MAFIAA is playing an endless game of whack-a-mole.
This is true. However that is not in itself a problem. P2P file sharing is not stoppable given it's international scope coupled with encrypted vpn technology.

Collateral damage is the problem. Once the Corporate controlled U.S. government gains the power to control domestic communications, they will use it to censor information which they don't like, or which costs them bottom-line profit. Then freedom is lost.

Yell terrorism, or "protect the children" and ANYTHING goes, including taking naked pictures and fondling innocent citizens.
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Re: This is a road to china like censorship

DON'T touch my junk, or I'll arrest you...

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It's like fighting Zombies.

You may win and kill it 100 times... but finally they will get through.

Dammit.

They just keep trying and trying and trying until they get what they want. It's like an evil Energizer Bunny on crack.
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Any further proof needed?

That corporate America is buying the government?

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Re: Any further proof needed?

$DING$

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said by Snakeoil:

That corporate America is buying the government?
that's what the teabaggers want. Free market and all you know.

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Re: Any further proof needed?

said by 88615298:

said by Snakeoil:

That corporate America is buying the government?
that's what the teabaggers want. Free market and all you know.
Nice way to hijack the thread with a blatant falsehood. How do you construe small government and personal freedom to be the exact opposite? Empowering the government to control what's on the internet is downright progressive and Orwellian, not to mention totalitarian.
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Re: Any further proof needed?

said by Krisnatharok:

said by 88615298:

said by Snakeoil:

That corporate America is buying the government?
that's what the teabaggers want. Free market and all you know.
Nice way to hijack the thread with a blatant falsehood. How do you construe small government and personal freedom to be the exact opposite? Empowering the government to control what's on the internet is downright progressive and Orwellian, not to mention totalitarian.
so instead the teabaggers will get a hollywood isp /tv conglomerate that can do as it pleases ...which will be like ipadding the internet , and making the usa as stupid ass dumb as it can be.....at least in some govts hands with proper oversite you could have a decent net neutral net.

your tea bag buds killed net neutrality not the govt....
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Re: Any further proof needed?

Don't you worry your pretty little head none. You are from Canada. You worry about Canada's business and let us Americans will worry about America's business.
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Re: Any further proof needed?

Chronoss2009 has a point about industry doing as it wants with less (or no) government oversight--though I disagree with his tone as insults hinder debate. And his later comment "not the usa" advances nothing.

But attacking him as a Canadian is to take a weak stance. Your government does little but meddle in other country's business; 150 of 190 countries have permanent US military installations [ref: DoD], pre-emptive wars, CIA-sponsored dictatorships to name a few.

We are concerned what happens south of us because much legislation is later adopted here, we are a large trading partner, and we have friends and family in the US.

Four years ago, Swedish authorities raided the Pirate Bay's headquarters under pressure from US government and industry lobby groups. A strong divergence of Canada & US regulations could precipitate similar events here.

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Re: Any further proof needed?

said by Interblag:

Four years ago, Swedish authorities raided the Pirate Bay's headquarters under pressure from US government and industry lobby groups. A strong divergence of Canada & US regulations could precipitate similar events here.
Another example of the government sticking its nose where it has no business.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not vouching for a Articles of Confederation federal government that couldn't regulate trade or conduct a cohesive foreign policy if it had to. Most industries are over-regulated. That said, telecoms are one industry where what regulation exists has become corrupt and is effectively non-existent. Such regulations should focus on net neutrality and anti-monopoly practices by the big telecom giants.

Also, chronoss, calling one political side a derogatory term is a surefire way to lose all respect in a debate.
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That may be what they say but not what they do.

When they say "Small Government" they just mean "No regulation of business."

Have you see any Teabaggers propose rolling back anything other then the IRS? Only ones they want to cut are regulatory agencies, nothing about things like the Department of Homeland Security, the State Department, etc etc etc
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stop

with all these new laws, don't people live under enough laws as it is?
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who needs democracy

not the usa
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Re: who needs democracy

Democracy is evil. Why would we in the U.S.A. want it?

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Re: who needs democracy

said by Airwolf7:

Democracy is evil. Why would we in the U.S.A. want it?
Democracy is mob rule. What you have is a constitutional republic. And Canada has a consitutional monarchy.

Ancient Greece *may* have had a democracy in the roughest sense.
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which political races did they sway with money?

a lot of races got swayed by money with many being VERY CLOSE in numbers as opposed to landslides. no doubt some of the entertainment industry swayed some house races a bit too.. and REPUBLICANS were the primary beneficiaries..

just wait and see what their voting record ends up being on issues that affect the entertainment industry/lobby....

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Nice

We have massive tax hikes coming in less than 2 months and this is what Congress decides is important.
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The Beatles are now available on itunes

Piracy is dead.

•••

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Send a gift to your congressmen

2 books:
1984
Fahrenheit 451

Assuming they know how to read.

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Re: Send a gift to your congressmen

said by hhawkman:

2 books:
1984
Fahrenheit 451

Assuming they know how to read.
Nah. Just send them the Piratebay links to the movies or audio books instead. Postage is getting expensive.

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Insanity

Dear RIAA/MPAA,

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
-Albert Einstein

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Re: Insanity

said by axiomatic:

Dear RIAA/MPAA,

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
-Albert Einstein
You'd have to explain it to the point of going insane.. then they still wouldn't get it.
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This bill is very scary

First off, here's a link to the full text for the lovely bill known as S.3804 -- Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act:
»thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c ··· :S.3804:

This thing is scary. In addition to all the blacklist stuff being talked about, as I read it, there are much more dangerous parts to it. The United States AG has full power to block domain names (even similar ones at a later date) of sites around the world for merely linking to copyrighted content. There's also a full immunity clause for all Federal entities on any action taken from what is allowed in this bill. On top of this, sites which have this done to them that are not based in the U.S. must come all the way to Washington, D.C. to fight for their cause.

I sincerely hope the opposition is enough this time around to stop this bill dead in its tracks...
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Goodbye WikiLeaks...

And how long do you think Wikileaks will stay up? Its anti Government however I am strongly FOR Wikileaks. I think the Government should be held accountable. I think more things need to be exposed. WE elect the Government (at least thats what we are told ) and those people only have power because we let them have power.

NO bill should ever be allowed to pass without full disclosure.

Obama promised he wouldn't support this bill, and yet poof - he did yet ANOTHER about turn. Obama is one of the biggest liars to come out of the USA. Youtube has videos showing Obama saying he won't support bills like this, internet freedom etc... and now look. More lies.

When will you Americans stand up to your capitalist society and take back your once beautiful country?