1 edit | Good thinking! Extra charges! That should really spur 3DTV sales! | |
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 |  BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Re: Good thinking! Actually it is because the last thing we need is even moe increases in cable/satellite bills to support these channerls. consdiering the high rates ESPN charges for it's channels not only will ESPN 3-D be a requirement if companies want to carry ESPN and ESPN 2, I'm sure they'll want $2-$5 for it. | |
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| | | | Re: Good thinking! Could not agree more.
If people want idiotic 3D programming, they can pay for it.
If you dropped several grand on a 3D TV you can afford the $10 a month. | |
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| | | | | Re: Good thinking! BB had a kick ass 3D by SamSung with 4 pairs of wireless glasses, and an xBox Elite for $2499 before tax. i hardly call that expensive when the glasses will run you a good $150-200 EACH! | |
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| | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Problem is the content providers will demand it gets rolled into base packages with no extra charge for that channel/feature alone.
Result: EVERYONE's bill will go up, because the entire package increases in price to cover the costs of this gimmicky crap.
That's the model in the USA. Ala Carte, no. Make everyone pay for crap they don't want... HELL YA
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|  herdfanPremium
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Hurricane, WV | said by I_H8_Spam:Extra charges! That should really spurn 3DTV sales! If it helps this whole 3D nonsense go away, then I am all for the extra charges. | |
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1 edit | Re: Good thinking! said by herdfan:said by I_H8_Spam:Extra charges! That should really spur 3DTV sales! If it helps this whole 3D nonsense go away, then I am all for the extra charges. Same here. Until 3d is glasses-free, it is a non-starter for 99.9% of the customers anyway. | |
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| |  GbcueP.E.Premium
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Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | said by herdfan:said by I_H8_Spam:Extra charges! That should really spurn 3DTV sales! If it helps this whole 3D nonsense go away, then I am all for the extra charges. QFT.
The current generation of 3D is useless garbage.
If you can afford a 3DTV already, I'm sure you can afford the $10/month upcharge for the services.
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| | | | | Re: Good thinking! Actually, DLP has done 3D for years, and it is cheap. 60" Mitsu on BF for $500. | |
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|  GlennAllenSunny with highs in the 80s
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Richmond, VA | said by I_H8_Spam:Extra charges! That should really spurn 3DTV sales!
Maybe it's just a typo, but I think you meant "spur" instead of "spurn" (which, since they're sort of opposites, kind of negates your [probable] sarcasm).
Anyway, yeah, don't need 3DTV... don't need ESPN either. Anyone who wants extra and unnecessary features/channels should pay extra. ESPN is at the top of my list of channels/packages to not get in an a la carte world (if there were such a world); as it is, the best I can do is not subscribe to "cable TV" at all... so I don't. | |
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|  spewakR.I.P DadkinsPremium
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| said by I_H8_Spam:Extra charges! That should really spur 3DTV sales!
Exactly!! Really gonna speed up adoption of 3d. My arse! What a joke these greedy bastards are. 
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|  ArrayListnetbus developerPremium
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Evanston, IL | Re: New Pricing Strategy! this is probably as close to a la carte as we can hope to get. | |
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Viewable picture $10.00 per month.
Undistorted sound $10.00 per month.
High Definition $10.00 per month.
3D $10.00 per month.
Service available 24X7 (Not Guaranteed) $25.00 per month.
OTA, Priceless.
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Cheyenne, WY | Re: New Pricing Strategy! Oh wow, watching Baseball players hack their chew in 3D what I have always been waiting for.  | |
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kudos:5 | said by tman852:said by Mr Matt: New fees and charges:
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OTA, Priceless. You forgot the color coordinated remote in Martha Stewart "Signature" line of colors. | |
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| | $10 /m for a very part time channel? HBO is like $15 and it has like 6 full times channels + 5-6 west feeds as well. | |
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|  banditws6Shrinking Time and DistancePremium
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Frisco, TX | Re: $10 /m for a very part time channel? Just think of it as $5 per eyeball... | |
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kudos:2 | Re: $10 /m for a very part time channel? Even better, only $2.50 per eyeball and another $2.50 per ear (I'm sure surround sound is included.) | |
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kudos:1 | Re: $10 /m for a very part time channel? Surround sound? That's $10 extra please!  | |
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 hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:8 | Everyone bears the Cost? Karl, for someone that is beating the "a la Carte" drum all the time this is a swing back the other way for you. There is a cost obviously for providing a 3d channel, both support of the channel and providing it. Do you feel this should be split up between everyone that subscribes? I think those that want it should pay for it.
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|  maartenaElmoPremium
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Orange, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Everyone bears the Cost? said by hobgoblin:There is a cost obviously for providing a 3d channel, both support of the channel and providing it.
Sure. But $10 worth for a channel that does absolutely nothing - not even repeats - until there is a live game on, that may or may noy be BLACKED OUT due to fcc regulations?
To give you an idea what ESPN 3D shows:
Nothing until next saturday, and then:
Sat Dec 04
7:45PM EST
CFB: ACC Championship FSU vs VTech
Sun Dec 05
7:30PM EST
Globetrotters vs Generals
Tue Dec 07
7:00PM EST
CBB: Memphis vs Kansas
Tue Dec 07
9:30PM EST
CBB: Michigan State vs Syracuse
Sat Dec 11
12:30PM EST
CBB: Auburn vs Rutgers
Sat Dec 11
3:15PM EST
CBB: Tennessee vs Pittsburgh
Fri Dec 17
7:00PM EST
NBA: Heat vs Knicks
Sat Dec 25
12:00PM EST
NBA: Bulls vs Knicks
That is 8 live showings the rest of the year.... and you would have to love BASKETBALL, because only ONE of the showings is a college football game.
Even if you have a 3D TV, not worth the $10 IMHO.
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| | hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
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kudos:8 | Re: Everyone bears the Cost? Every day people make decisions about the cost and the worth of something. I made one yesterday regarding the cost of a V8 Convertible Camaro. Living in Buffalo I can only ride with the top down for a short period and they are hard to drive in the winter.
They cost more than the Hard Top V6 which I can drive in the winter. According to your theory the cost of a convertible should be discounted due to this, or maybe other GM customers should subsidise the cost of a Camaro in the cold north east.
Hob
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| | ESPN I'd rather have them charge those who want 3D extra rather than roll it into everybody's bill.
Subsidizing regular ESPN is bad enough. I'm not a sports fan! Take away ESPN and lower my bill! | |
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: ESPN That's the next step.
Require it in order to get any other content. | |
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Westminster, MD | I'll take the zero Apart from the NHRA, I never watch ESPN and I'll be damned if I'll try to put on 3D glasses over my regular glasses.
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| | It's okay with me. I'm okay with an extra charge for this fluff technology. I am more against charging extra for HD and HD tuners. | |
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| GbcueP.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | Re: It's okay with me. said by jjeffeory:I'm okay with an extra charge for this fluff technology. I am more against charging extra for HD and HD tuners.
The HD charge is as much fluff as the 3D charge.
Not everybody has an HDTV, you know, and they would be crazy to spend more $ on something they don't have, or even want.
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| | | | Re: It's okay with me. HDTVs are mainstream. 3D TVs are not. 3D TVs are still a niche product and based on reports in industry publications sales aren't doing so well.
I actually don't mind an extra charge for HD unless the fee is charged for must carry signals.
So let me turn it around and ask - should cable TV be priced so that there is one fee that everyone pays and they get everything and no other options? Or should people be able to opt out of things that they don't want?
For example, I don't want 3D TV. It's a fad. I would rather not pay for it. If you want it, you pay for it. | |
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| | BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Gbcue:said by jjeffeory:I'm okay with an extra charge for this fluff technology. I am more against charging extra for HD and HD tuners.
The HD charge is as much fluff as the 3D charge. Not everybody has an HDTV, you know, and they would be crazy to spend more $ on something they don't have, or even want. Yeah only 2/3 of Americans do. Also there is WAY more HD content on TV than 3-D stuff. HUGE difference. | |
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Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:86 | And this is news how Karl? It's a premium service and if you want it you will pay for it. Big deal...it's not news Karl! Let's see how you would word that if Verizon offered it....hmmm.
"Verizon Unveils Awesome 3D Sports Tier...Only $10.00 Per Month"
Yawn... | |
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|  JeepMattC'mon the UPremium
join:2001-12-28
Wilmington, DE
kudos:2 | Re: And this is news how Karl? From what I hear - ESPN is charging providers a shit-load of $$$ to carry this channel..
So I don't blame Time Warner...
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| | | said by BHNtechXpert:It's a premium service and if you want it you will pay for it. Big deal...it's not news Karl! Let's see how you would word that if Verizon offered it....hmmm.
"Verizon Unveils Awesome 3D Sports Tier...Only $10.00 Per Month"
Yawn...
lol so true. F*ck Verizon. Fios is a me-too product anyway. Regarding 3DTV, bah humbug. | |
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|  Radio ActiveMy pappy's a pistolPremium
join:2003-01-31
Fullerton, CA | said by BHNtechXpert:It's a premium service and if you want it you will pay for it. Big deal...it's not news Karl! Let's see how you would word that if Verizon offered it....hmmm.
"Verizon Unveils Awesome 3D Sports Tier...Only $10.00 Per Month"
Yawn...
If Karl's news item is so "yawn," then why don't you submit a news item of your own?
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Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 | How much additional bandwidth is needed ? If 3D HDTV takes additional bandiwdth compared to normal HD, then perhaps there is some justification in charging more for the service.
On the other hand, if they were able to do what they did when moving from black and white to colour or from mono to stereo TV, they should be able to send 1 feed that contains HD video with a "side track" containing the difference needed to create the 3D image. This is how they would able to make older B&W TV able to display the then new colour broadcasts, and when stereo TVs came along, how older mono TVs were able to still use the signal and produce the mono sound they were equipped to produce.
One needs to consider that if a cable/satellite carruer need to carry an SD/analogue feed, an HD feed and then a 3D HD feed, that is a lot of wastage. | |
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| | Headache city Man. How does anyone watch one of these monstrosities and not get sick? Current 3D tv isn't worth $0, much less the $2.50 for a bottle of Tylenol. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Only BBR's news staff.... ... could post monthly diatribes about the evil greedy cable companies refusing to offer a la carte channels, then pop off a bitchy critique of the ones that choose to do exactly that. | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | You see their true goals. Again. Same with HD, DVR, etc etc
It's always about extracting MORE money for the same service. Prettier, better sound--- charge more!
Oh well. 3DTV is a gimmick anyway.
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| | | Re: You see their true goals. So why don't you start up a cable company and offer everything all you can eat for $10/month or even $40/month and see how long your company lasts. | |
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[sarcasm]Yeah, that only works in Europe. Different market laws operate here in North America.[/sarcasm] | |
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Again, useless hyberbole that has nothing to do with the point. | |
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join:2005-07-16 | I can't wait! Despite what the technophobes, TV haters and poor people have to say here, 3D is the future. As soon as Sony's new lines come out in the Spring I'll be buying one and I'll be glad to add ESPN 3D to my programming package. Amazon has a decent 55"er for $2400, that I really want, but I'll wait a few more months for the replacement model. And if 3DTV turns out to be a failure, oh well, I’ll still have one hell of a TV to enjoy for 5 or 6 years until I buy another one.
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| | | Re: I can't wait! 3D has been the future for the last 40 years.
It's a fad and a scheme for us to buy new more expensive TVs after we just spent thousands of dollars on 2D HD TVs.
I'm happy with 2D HD. | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Steve Mehs:Despite what the technophobes, TV haters and poor people have to say here, 3D is the future. No it's not. I'll put cash money on that. It's a fad. Not to mention it uses a lot of bandwidth which a very limited resouce for cable/satellite and broadcast. these guys can't even offer 1080p how are they going to offer all 3-D? If I want to see shit in 3-D I'll look out a window. | |
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|  Ark
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Ada, MI | Clearly 4k x 2k (2160p) is the future. Why buy a gimmick 3D TV now or upgrade from LCD to LED-LCD when it's only a matter of time before 4k x 2k panels arrive instead. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: I can't wait! said by Ark:Clearly 4k x 2k (2160p) is the future. Why buy a gimmick 3D TV now or upgrade from LCD to LED-LCD when it's only a matter of time before 4k x 2k panels arrive instead.
bullshit. broadcasters can barely put out 720p and 1080i. bandwidth is also limited on cable/satellite. billions were invested in blu-ray echnology. These companies aren't in a hurry to roll out another format. | |
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Ada, MI | Re: I can't wait! TVs will appear that support it soon, but unlike 3D, it will *eventually* become mainstream.
The first thing people will want them for is the aspect ratio though. We moved from 4:3 (1.33) to 16:9 (1.77), and this moves it up to about 1.90. Eventually we'll be at 2.35. I still get black bars on the top and bottom of my "wide screen" 16:9 LCD, and it just seems silly. | |
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Fullerton, CA | 3DTV... You can have your flibbity flabbity 3DTV...
I want a flying De Lorean and flux capacitor...
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| | | Re: No 3D for my eyes. What if you only can see out of one eye?
I hope this 3D stuff is just a phase.
I'd like to see holographic television though.
I did see an episode of Deep Space Nine where they used a
holographic comm system. Also, didn't CNN try a holographic reporter?
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| |  antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
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| Re: No 3D for my eyes. said by DeeplyShroud :What if you only can see out of one eye?
I hope this 3D stuff is just a phase.
I'd like to see holographic television though.
I did see an episode of Deep Space Nine where they used a
holographic comm system. Also, didn't CNN try a holographic reporter? I have not tried that. My optomologist told me to try that. I tried that method for those three SuperBowl TV ads. with those Intel blue+orange color len cheap glasses and didn't really see 3D effects. Also, why do I want to watch with one eye the whole time especially for a couple hours? That's SO annoying like wearing 3D glasses (already wear one!). The last time my eyes could see 3D effects was with Disneyland's Captain EO back in the 1980/80s as a kid/child. I guess my eyes were good back then. :P | |
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | Where's the 3D apologists? I don't think one person in this thread made a comment defending 3D. LOL
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|  hhawkmanPremium
join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA
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| Re: Where's the 3D apologists? said by heat84:I don't think one person in this thread made a comment defending 3D. LOL
The biggest problem is that the Entertainment Industry has gotten greedy with it. Sure, you need a 3d Enabled TV, But Special cables, Special BluRay Players, etc. are the straw that is breaking it. These are not necessary to play the 3D content, but the Disc Manufacturers have put a block on the BluRay disc so it won't play unless it's in an approved 3d-enabled Player. Also unless you buy a top-end BluRay Player with both hdmi 1.3, and hdmi 1.4 outputs, your Home Theater system becomes obsolete.
Many People already have a serious investment in their systems, and now the entertainment industry is trying to squeeze Blood from a stone in this economy. Add that to the ridiculous pricing on the glasses, and they have all but shot themselves in the foot.
I played with 3D on my computer years ago. Had a system with the glasses, that cost me between $200 and $300 for 1 pair of glasses, and an adapter for my monitor line. The glasses didn't work so I called them to exchange them. The sent out new glasses, and told me to just throw away the old ones. They are cheap POS, and not worth more than, I would guess, $15-$20 to make. Charging over $100 for them is Robbery. | |
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