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| Re: And the cap is...... said by Duramax08:Like really. If its going to be this 5-10GB bull shit, it wont cut it. Other like a USB modem, This home modem will be used by the entire household which some people might want to watch youtube, play games online and other intense bandwidth applications. A low cap just wont work here. Its still better then 56kbps satellite. | |
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| Re: And the cap is...... If your only ISP is Satellite, I'm willing to wager they're outside even 3G data coverage as well. Otherwise, they'd have hopped off satellite and moved to 3G already. Getting additional speed towards the same low cap isn't exactly what home broadband users would be looking for. | |
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| Re: And the cap is...... said by Thaler:Getting additional speed towards the same low cap isn't exactly what home broadband users would be looking for. Capped wireless service > capped satellite service with 900ms of latency | |
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 |  |  |  |  ThalerPremium join:2004-02-02 Los Angeles, CA kudos:3 | Re: And the cap is...... Which is exactly what I said about 3G. Upgrading existing towers to "4G" LTE isn't going to expand coverage - just offer additional speed at additional cost. So, this service's target audience would be people already covered by 3G service. | |
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 io chicoPremium join:2003-12-30 Magalia, CA | Caps? So if it's Verizon, I'm assuming there will be caps? | |
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| Re: Caps? said by Joe12345678:But will the directv VOD data be cap free? I wonder if that will even matter if the combo is DTV/Sat downloads with the LTE portion handling the upload process. Usually, the only thing going up are requests for content that are then delivered by the download half of the equation. Potential issues:
1. Weather: Will the LTE have to take the load both up and down when the SAT is blocked by bad weather? If yes, what happens with the cap and would weather be a mitigating factor as far as overages are concerned?
2. If the load is split as I suggest, would that open up more speed on the SAT download side?
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| Re: Caps? That is the old way. Before they shifted from what I gathered from them. the new PPV option by iNDemand runs off the movie downloading from the server and then showing and must use HSI. the phone line is from the old system which i'm not sure if they still even use. but DirecTV DOES charge you $10-20 to configure your STB for your HSI. | |
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 thegeekPremium join:2008-02-21 united state kudos:1 | As Much As I Want To Hate Verizon That company makes money hand over fist. I don't agree with all of their tactics. Their prices are too high. The skirt the law with overpaid lawyers. Etc. But the largest stakeholders make themselves filthy rich. Kudos for them. | |
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 |  alchav join:2002-05-17 Palm Desert, CA | said by thegeek:That company makes money hand over fist. I don't agree with all of their tactics. Their prices are too high. The skirt the law with overpaid lawyers. Etc. But the largest stakeholders make themselves filthy rich. Kudos for them. I don't know what you guys have been smoken, or where you get your information, but you are talking about a Regulated Telco. If you look at it's Stock Price, Verizon hasn't gone over $30 in many years. They are doing better than AT&T, I think because of FiOS, but not making the money like Apple, Google, or Netflex. Granted, we all want Fast, Cheap Broadband, but all of that cost Money! So in the light of all this, I think Verizon is on the right path. | |
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| Good night (retail) rural carriers! This arrangement between DirecTV and Verizon makes perfect sense. Verizon leverages DirecTV's install and service presence while DirecTV gets to market service to new (or existing) customers. As the two companies already have an existing arrangement, this takes it to the next level.
I suspect that this kind of arrangement will turn many rural ILEC's into wholesale metro Ethernet carriers for the wireless companies. Their land-line business will survive, but will drop to a fraction of what they are today.
As Karl has already reported, what is one of Verizon's first markets? Rochester, NY. Hello Frontier home territory! | |
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| Re: Good night (retail) rural carriers! minimum wage? LOL They get paid pretty good actually and they're normally NEVER employees of DirecTV they're ALL Install Agents working for the local Sales Stores. They're paid PER install though which would range from $20-$200+ depending on the deals that are worked out. The only thing is if you call DirecTV and complain about the install- the installer and the company s/he works for does lose their $$$$$ if found to be outside of the guidelines they were to follow. Contractors also must pay for their own trucks and or vans, and all supplies. So they normally are pretty good. | |
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 |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: Good night (retail) rural carriers! There are so many things wrong with your post that it would take a long reply to sort out. So, I'll just say that you're not even right about 70% of what you just said.
For the record, too,.. the "customer service" department that you call in to discuss your account isn't even "direcTv".. it's an outsourced company. However.. my main issue with your post is how you're blanketing your statements as if what you are saying is true all over the country, which it is not. | |
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| Re: Good night (retail) rural carriers! Both of you yah-oos are wrong.
Over the past 2-3 years, in responce to complaints DirecTV has started to buy alot of their HSPs (Home Service Providers). The model that was working for the past 10-15 years was. You would either call DirecTV, go online or purchase via a Telco their services. DirecTV would then send that order to a HSP, and lets say Directv paid them 800 for that install (which most of my numbers will be 95% on target). That HSP has 2 options, send one of their own tech's out who is either paid /hr or piece work. Gets sent out in a DirecTV van wears a DirecTV uniform ect...or if in a "rual" section of that HSPs territory, or if they are short on Tech's will farm it out to a AFC (Alternate Fullment Company) this is where alot of the issues pop up at. That AFC might get paid 600 for doing the work. The AFCs "contract" with "Independent Contractors" to actualy come to your house and Install the service. Most will get 1 or 2 DirecTV shirts to wear maybe a hat, but it will come ou ttheir check, and speaking of pay, its piece work normaly 70 for the first box 15-25 each additional outlet and there used to be a 10 bump for HD. Anything outside of that that would be considered a non standard install they can charge the customer for it.And drive their own vehicles.
What directv did in alot of markets was get rid of the HSP and AFCs by buying up the HSP, now there a a few excetions here and there where you may see a subcontractor. And I am willing to admit there may be some variations of my above senario, but I can only speak to my experience as a sub. | |
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Ummm okay... how am I wrong for saying that almost his entire post is wrong when you come in and try to say the same thing. Ironically, you also state that what you're saying has variations which is about what I said as well. STILL doesn't change that their TELEPHONE customer service is an outsourced company. DirecTV as a company doesn't own the call center. | |
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 Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | Is a Femtocell included?
Besides having an LTE/WiFi router as the device to provide LTE broadband in the home, I wonder if the device could also incorporate a femtocell capability as well. Since it would already have an external antenna on the roof, it would only make sense to make sure the home also had good strong signals for cellphone use as well. I didn't read anything so far on what exactly the specs this home device would have, but a femtocell capability would be a good value add to the customer. | |
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 |  maubs join:2010-02-26 Farmington, IL | Re: Is a Femtocell included? That's a great idea. I'd love to have all of the above in my rural location, since I already have DirectTV, crappy DSL (768Kb - the only option), and spotty cell coverage. | |
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I work for VZ and yes there will be a antenna along with a satalite | |
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You're kinda coming off as an overboard know it all in this particular forum - either way, it doesn't matter. You personally have no idea if that person that posted knows better than you so maybe this is a case where ya zip it and move along. | |
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| Could this open up advanced DirecTV services? Would DirecTV and Verizon establish a deal to eliminate the caps for this purpose (of course DirecTV would have to line VZ's pockets a bit)?
This could open up new and advanced features to DirecTV. With a dedicated larger pipe that they are somewhat in control of, they can close the gap with Cable's addressability. They could do local advertising with addressability down to the cell site. They could potentially do multicast IPTV - A Switched Digital Video approach if you will - for those lesser viewed channels to save transponder space. They could strengthen their VOD service (which today is really DOD - Download On Demand). With VOD usage less than half of all cable providers aggregate VOD usage (and there are some real podunk cable providers out there), DirecTV really needs to improve in this arena. A full on instant streaming VOD service that matches Cable could theoretically be possible. Then again, if Verizon is steadfast with it's Draconian caps none of this would be possible. | |
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 Mr Matt join:2008-01-29 Eustis, FL kudos:1 | No Problem!
To save you overage fees your movie file will be sent to you in a prepaid processing mailer. | |
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 | | It's possible... That since this would be a rural service the caps may be more in-line with other rural broadband services. Probably in the 100-250GB range. It's possible. | |
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what rural broadband service has 100-250gb caps? I will jump right on that bandwagon | |
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regularly dl 200+ gigs / month no probs
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 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | Wouldn't surprise me as it is only time before we see more companies lowering their caps to make sure they can collect as much penalties as possible | |
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| has to be It has to be, or its a wasted effort.. The caps presented to us for this 'new" technology nearly made me vomit in discuss.. This is freaking greed and regression of technology! This only screws up forward movement...
If its capped and high priced like the current product, just scrap the thing, throw it around back and burn the hell outta it like its the devil.. | |
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As it is, 10G for $80 isn't competitive with satellite, which it sounds is part of their target market. Sure the latency is much improved and weather interference is probably much less, but that price point just for a few gig more? Nope.
I don't even have access to DSL, so I've been following LTE and WiMAX developments carefully. VZW's caps are just wretched and insulting at this point. | |
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| Re: GREAT news... said by ShellMMG :Give me 75G a month for $70 and I'd be beating down their doors and/or chasing the installation trucks. For LTE I'd join you. The download is not that much better than the Sprint 4G WiMax I already have. Sprint offers 3-6 mbps while Verizon offers 5-12 mbps. Yawn.
But it is in the upload area where LTE runs rings around Sprint, NOT because of superior technology necessarily but because of Sprint's decision to cap upload speeds at a wretched 1mbps. With LTE you get AT LEAST 2mbps; no comparison. | |
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 DrunkPremium join:2010-11-16 Elizabethtown, PA | Latency and caps What kind of latency would you get with this service? Certainly has to be better than satellite internet, but would it be good enough for online gaming? I need my beloved Battlefield games.
The caps though....gotta be way higher than their mobile caps. A couple good porn torrents would put me over the top. | |
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 |  SeleniaI love DebianPremium join:2006-09-22 Lanesboro, MA kudos:2 | Re: Latency and caps My pings on EVDO average 70-90ms to east coast servers. LTE would likely be less than half that, especially since it has much more capacity, thus even lower congestion. | |
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 | | Logically thinking... The "mobile" part of mobile broadband is what you pay most for. A fixed system shouldn't cost as much as a mobile service unless it has a much higher cap. But if they could get the pricing/plan right, man they would have themselves something here as good as printing money. I ain't going to get excited over it because after the 4g caps, I don't see anything to get excited over yet. | |
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| LTE Caps and cost is better than 3G was. I do not think the LTE pricing is terrible compared to the scary overage costs of 3G. With 3G you got the first 5GB at $12/GB and then $50/GB after that. With the LTE system, I read it as having a flat rate of $10/GB for as many GB as you can afford. So if you used 10GB under the old 3G system you would have paid:
(5GB x $12/GB) + (5GB x $50/GB) = $310
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(10GB x $10/GB) = $100
that is a 68% reduction in cost using LTE pricing.
Progress is being made in lowering the price of mobile broadband. It may not be be at the level we want it to be, but we should acknowledge progress when it occurs. I suspect that after Verizon has completed the transition to an all LTE system for all mobile broadband users(phone, modem, and embedded netbook/laptop) you will find the per GB price to be the same as today. So in maybe 6 years you will still be paying $10/GB for data while gasoline might be $8.00/gallon, postage is $1 per letter, milk is $10/gallon, and bread is $8 per loaf. LTE data price not rising looks good to me. | |
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| Re: LTE Caps and cost is better than 3G was. For people without internet access from DSL, cable, or traditional WISP, the tethered phone option is not a good choice. The families I help in those situations use the Verizon USB760 modem, an external antenna, and a Cradlepoint MBR1000 wireless WiFi router to give their entire household some reasonably fast internet access. LTE is in the beginning of deployment, so its geographic coverage is not as good as some other mobile broadband services. But the people I help are really out in isolated areas and Verizon 3G is the only option that can be used. I am exited about Verizon LTE because eventually by Wednesday January 1 2014 all existing 3G areas should be LTE capable. This means those I have helped can get faster lower cost internet access. | |
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| Re: LTE Caps and cost is better than 3G was. said by jupiter837:But having that cap there always makes me watch what I download Keep in mind that you are not being treated fairly in comparison with average Internet users. According to the study this past summer from Cisco, the average Internet user downloads an average of 14.9 gigs a month. By limiting you to 10 gigs a month, VZW is not treating you like an average customer; they're treating you like a second-class customer, and it's wrong. | |
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| said by davidhoffman:I do not think the LTE pricing is terrible compared to the scary overage costs of 3G. Yes, but that's the wrong basis of comparison. The correct basis for comparison is the available competition, and Sprint already has a pricing structure for their WiMax that runs rings around VZW in terms of consumer friendliness.
The fact is that Sprint WiMax will leave VZW LTE in the dust if VZW insists on keeping its head in a dark place. Comparisons with an older slower technology are not really pertinent in this context. | |
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| if If they just provide something for us with no options so we could actually enjoy the internet before it gets nerfed they'd bring in tons from customers. I'd pay happily 60 for a connection with at least 60 gigs a month at 5mbps and decent latency.. But 50 for 5 gigs just sickens my wallet too much for a fixed location... | |
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| Re: if said by decifal:I'd pay happily 60 for a connection with at least 60 gigs a month at 5mbps Me too, and I currently pay exactly that for Sprint WiMax, and I'm getting an average download speed of 9mbps and UNLIMITED service.
Why would I give up my Sprint? Cause of that darn speed cap Sprint's put on the upload, a miserable 1mbps. I was getting 800kbps upload speed with my old 3G, so I have effectively gotten almost NOTHING on the upload side for my switch to WiMax. With LTE providing a MINIMUM upload speed of 2mbps, that would be enough to get me to switch, even with the 60 gig cap and a download speed drop from 9mbps to 5mbps.
VZW is missing and blowing a golden opportunity here; I can't believe they're such idiots.
You know, maybe that speed drop is the key. If VZW were to offer more generous packages for a lower speed cap, perhaps the idiots at VZW would be happier. You know, you would get the current 10 gig cap at $80 with a 12 mbps max download speed, a 20 gig cap at $80 for a 6mbps max download speed, and so forth and so on. That might be the solution.
Remember that for most people the reason to switch to these "4G" services is NOT to get true 4G; their reason for switching is to enjoy a significant improvement in comparison to the EVDO service. And, on that score, a 6mbps download speed is nothing to sneeze at. | |
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