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Time Warner Cable Aims 50 Mbps At Raleigh
Spring Launch For DOCSIS 3.0 In NC Triangle Area
by Karl Bode 06:54PM Thursday Jan 20 2011
Given the fact that Time Warner Cable doesn't see substantive competition in the majority of their markets, the company has the luxury of taking their time when it comes to DOCSIS 3.0 and 50 Mbps service upgrades -- despite being the nation's second largest cable company. However, on the heels of an announcement last week that they'd be offering the faster service in Rochester, New York this Spring, Time Warner Cable today announced they'll also be offering the service in Raleigh and the Triangle area of North Carolina around the same time. Users in upgraded markets can sign up for a new 30 Mbps downstream 5 Mbps upstream tier that costs $25 over Time Warner Cable's standard plan (which can vary in price and speed by market depending on competition), or a 50 Mbps downstream 5 Mbps upstream tier for $99 a month.

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FFH
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

How much competition does TWC actually have?

Given the fact that Time Warner Cable doesn't see substantive competition in the majority of their markets

Are there any published stats that identify the level of competition TWC faces in their markets? Because I haven't seen any. Is a database with such stats one of the things that the FCC is compiling with their ongoing data collection process?

Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
kudos:39

Re: How much competition does TWC actually have?

If I recall correctly, an executive stated not long ago (I'll dig for the stats) that less than 35% of their markets see competition from AT&T U-Verse or Verizon FiOS, meaning that in the vast majority of their markets they exist either as a monopoly, or in a duopoly against cash-strapped copper nursers like Frontier who struggle to offer 3-7 Mbps DSL on a good day. There's a lot of markets where they compete against Verizon in the 40-50% of markets Verizon's not interested in upgrading because they're blue collar or too rural (big chunks of upstate NY) and where 3-7 Mbps DSL is also the norm.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: How much competition does TWC actually have?

Depending on the area. A good share of TWC's area in Ohio now has more than one provider competing against them (TV, voice and HSI), but its the fact that TWC doesn't see any of them as a threat nor cares.

I have the choice of 2 cable companies at my house; WOW and TWC. TWC doesn't consider them as a threat- even though they're doing triple play bundles for $79.99 per month for 2years. TWC will NEVER touch that deal. U-Verse is also available to a good percentage of the Greater Cleveland Metro area (CLE- plus the small burb towns) TWC doesn't care that they're here either. Even if you have the option of all 3; plus you have DirecTV and Dish Network. TWC prides themselves on being "local" when in return they're not any more local than WOW or even ATT.

TWC needs a wakeup call and realize that they're not the only game and either sell out or start selling services. One thing that has helped create some competition against TWC in Ohio is the VSA law. Many areas now have 2 and even 4 options for Video.
fiberguy
My views are my own.
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kudos:3

Re: How much competition does TWC actually have?

Question 1 is in what part of the entire service area does WOW compete with TWC? .. just a small part? And that's where they're selling the $79 price, right?

IF this is the case, I can see why TWC wouldn't try to match them as they'd have to price the entire area at 79.. so why drop their entire foot print to 79 just to thwart off a small over build? Wouldn't make sense.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: How much competition does TWC actually have?

WOW competes with TWC in the NEO region in more than half of the service areas of TWC. But TWC doesn't even care about U-verse either. Many apartment buildings and condos also have their own provider besides have the options for WOW, TWC, U-Verse or Dish/Direct. Still nothing. And The WOW prices are national promos.

WOW is more than a small over build. This area was covered with AmeriCast before WOW even took over. WOW just keeps expanding and expanding. One area that WOW services has both TWC, WOW and Cox (Cox is offering 50/5 currently), TWC says no big deal. The offer isn't true.

www.com.ohio.gov/admn/vsa/

jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
said by Karl Bode:

... or in a duopoly against cash-strapped copper nursers like Frontier who struggle to offer 3-7 Mbps DSL on a good day.

Spot on for my county. New England semi-rural patchwork of villages with TWC footprint (to population) roughly 6x that of Fairpoint.

I'm in one of the two "large" villages (~3100 souls) and our top two tiers are 10000/1 and, if you're on the right street, 15000/1. $65 and $75 per month respectively. The rest of the county is green with envy. Fairpoint's best offering is 7000/768 at $50/mo with a two year contract but few people are close enough. TWC = no contract.

No illusions here about service improvements or cost drops here.
bn1221

join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY
They have great competition from 768/7.1 Verizon DSL in Cortland. Oh wait, dry loop costs more than 1*10 Time Warner.

kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
Almost NOTHING. Seriously, nothing.
slckusr
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Greenville, SC
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werent they

Trying to roll out municipal fiber in these areas?
davidhoffman
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Warner Robins, GA
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Re: werent they

Yes, sort of. The cities and counties of North Carolina wanted to reserve the right to create municipal fiber networks if the citizens felt that they were not getting good service from private ISPs. Big legislative fight. I am not sure of the latest status.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: werent they

Wth the new Gov't taking over; their efforts will be derailed and will be illegal for them to build out these networks. Big Business ALWAYS wins. look at WM.
jkeelsnc

join:2008-08-22
Greensboro, NC

Re: werent they

Yep. Thats the problem when corporations own the government. Local municipalities get screwed because of someone wanting to make a real fast buck. And your right with these Teabagger and RepubliCON liars running Raleigh now they'll pass some draconian bureacratic nonsense where they have no business interfering with the local town's business. If you think its a good thing fine your just another person that wants corporations to run the government and your life. But don't expect them to give a darn about anything but a fast buck.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: werent they

No, its the gov't that thinks they can do a great job in a private business and actually take on these companies. The fact is the Muni businesses NEVER can make a profit; there for must NEVER really be able to expand as they have to just break even. If they show a profit; the IRS will come a knocking. Non-profits are NEVER allowed to turn a profit. They're only actually allowed to charge what they get charged for the services.

And if you think you want to build out your own system and take on TWC; have ad it. They show time and time again; they don't care who enters the business to compete against them on a level playing field; so why not? Just become an over builder. Why not do IPTV via wireless? After all the technology and the providers are there. : full IPTV systems: »www.minervanetworks.com/ can be used via any network.

kilrathi
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join:2005-04-22
Rockaway Park, NY

Time Warner needs to aim to fix their current networks first

Maybe Time Warner should aim to fix their overload/congenstion issues in Queens/NYC area, latencies on their network jump 200ms+ at peak times, speeds go down to crawl... and if you call it takes 4 weeks of run around getting techs to come to you just to verify nothing wrong on your end instead of investigating the congesion issue on their networks....
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: Time Warner needs to aim to fix their current networks first

two different markets to different management offices. Upgrades are NOT normally done by the national office but by the market offices. hence the reason why each Market has a Div. President.
chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01
San Jose, CA

makes me wonder why these guys never made to Chicago?

because of the stronger competition (comcast)?

skuv

@rr.com

Re: makes me wonder why these guys never made to Chicago?

said by chgo_man99:

because of the stronger competition (comcast)?

Comcast isn't a TWC competitor, there is no market where TWC and Comcast overlap.

In fact, back in 2005, they both acquired properties and assets of Adelphia and traded until they had even less chance of overlap.

Not to mention, rarely does another cable company want to invest the hundreds of millions it would take to come into a new market where another cable provider already exists. They have to run all new fiber for themselves, then run all new coax to every house in the market. Then they have to hope they can get a small percentage of the available customers.
WhatNow
Premium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC

Times Change

AT&T and TWC cable overlap where most of the population in the state is located. That is along I-85. If you have a lot of expensive little towns but competition in the most populated areas is were it counts for the bottom line.

drshock

join:2000-08-19
Wake Forest, NC

Lifts all the boats?

For the other areas where TWC already did such upgrades did they upgrade the lower services too? Would like to see the current turbo 10/.5 get past the .5 in 2011!
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CajunTek
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join:2003-08-08
Arlington, TX

Re: Lifts all the boats?

It was in Texas Turbo is 15/1 there and was before Wideband came.
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jbwhite99

join:2005-03-22
Raleigh, NC

This is needed, but not enough.

To clarify a couple of comments, some communities do have local fiber. The first successful one is Wilson's greenlight - they offer 50x TWC's upload for less (20MB symmetrical). Other communities like Salisbury followed along. TWC and AT&T paid a Charlotte state senator to try to pass a bill through the legislature, but the bill was defeated multiple times.

UVerse is available in PARTS of Raleigh, Cary, Charlotte, and Greensboro, but that's about it.

Speeds here are 7MB down, 384k up for the $57.95 standard rate, and turbo is 10MB/512k for $9.95 extra. Having digital cable gets you a $10 discount. Something has to pay for TWC's swanky new building that opened last year.

I hope that Charlotte's upgrade to 10MB down/1MB up comes with this announcement. 30/5 for $82 is a good deal but certainly no bargain. The bandwidth doesn't allow you to use this speed anyway - always congested.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: This is needed, but not enough.

you do realize that the Muni's offer service for less money because they're not allowed to charge more for a service than what they pay for it right? they are NOT allowed to turn a profit on anything. hence- NOT for profit- 501(c)3
jbwhite99

join:2005-03-22
Raleigh, NC

Re: This is needed, but not enough.

I do know that municipal utilities can only charge to recover the installation and maintenance and service provided (that's how the water company works).

The point is that according to this website, TWC is paying about $25 per user for broadband. Since there are a lot of techies here (thousands of Cisco, NetApp, IBM, Lenovo and former Nortel employees), tech support costs might be lower.

Look at the forums and see how many posts there are about Raleigh/Wake Forest/Durham getting bad ping rates or no throughput. TWC is milking the Carolinas for all they got - it is the municipalities that are getting this bandwidth upped, not TWC wanting to do so.

What disappoints me is that the headline specifically refers to Raleigh, but hardly any of the posters are from the Triangle. Perhaps this highlights another problem - maybe people in the Triangle don't know about this website.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: This is needed, but not enough.

This site can claim all they want as far as what TWC pays per customer. You'll never know the true figure as TWC will NEVER disclose that. Mostly what is said on this site should be taken with a grain of salt as it is just a message board with a HUGE ass blog attached to it. A real news site doesn't act like this site does at all and report half ass stories most of the time or biased information against companies that it may hate for what ever reason.

As far as the Munis getting the speeds upped; i call fluff on that one. TWC doesn't care what the Munis think and they know they can NOT legally take TWC's network. If they even tried to take TWC's network; they'd be slapped into court so fast they wouldn't have realized what happened besides the muni's going bankrupt from TWC's legal team and outside attys dragging them through the mud.

chlen
Ethically Challenged
Premium
join:2001-01-16
Saratoga, NY

Started seeing commercials last week.

»www.timewarnercable.com/northeas···nternet/

TW is going head to head in the suburbs with FIOS and covering Albany as well. Their regular service is 15/1. I am very happy with them, no caps no bullshit since 1998.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: Started seeing commercials last week.

they do have caps. Their cap limit is NOT set in stone for a number. It's in the TOS/AUP of Both TWC and RoadRunner.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

real compeittion lacking, much?

Now if there was a Verizon FIOS overlapping that offfered 50/35 for $75 a month.. we'd have some competition. I'd like to see Time Warner try to sell 50/5 for $99 with that offer on the table.