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Good callCrush the greedy companies and the corruption they push. | |
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Merin
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2011-Feb-1 4:37 pm
Error error!Harper doing his job....
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2011-Feb-1 9:01 pm
Re: Error error!Gee thanks herr Harper - you're going to review CRTC’s Internet usage-based billing decision now are you? This should be as good as security theater! Is it going to similar to Bush's investigation of high gas prices in 2006? » www.marketwatch.com/stor ··· -reserve We all know how that turned out! I though Protectionism was bad herr Harper - or is only bad in reference to the consumer not the corporations with bags of cash? » www.cbc.ca/canada/story/ ··· cnn.html | |
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Re: Error error!You're welcome to leave Canada anytime you want. I'd suggest China or N.Korea if you think it's really that bad. | |
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2011-Feb-3 1:07 am
Re: Error error!Dude... you are asking a Canadian leave his/her country just because he/she isn't happy with the government. Now, what is this? You in one side laugh at China and North Korea, but in you are doing exactly same thing as Chinese or North Korea government do? So what is fucking difference? Explain to me. | |
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2011-Feb-1 4:37 pm
You know...I live in the states, and I really feel for you Canadians. That is just awful when corporations "buy" the laws. I mean, we have that here too, don't get me wrong. AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast do enough of that. But you all really got the pooch screw. That is the most unreasonable thing I have ever heard of. Good luck with all that! | |
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Re: You know...said by Alky:I live in the states, and I really feel for you Canadians. That is just awful when corporations "buy" the laws. I mean, we have that here too, don't get me wrong. AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast do enough of that. But you all really got the pooch screw. That is the most unreasonable thing I have ever heard of. Good luck with all that!
Coming soon to the US if successful in Canada. | |
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Re: You know...said by WernerSchutz:said by Alky:I live in the states, and I really feel for you Canadians. That is just awful when corporations "buy" the laws. I mean, we have that here too, don't get me wrong. AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast do enough of that. But you all really got the pooch screw. That is the most unreasonable thing I have ever heard of. Good luck with all that!
Coming soon to the US if successful in Canada. SHHHHH, dont mention it. | |
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This is exactly the kind of scrutiny that these corporations don't want. AT&T and Verizon may co-author legislation in the US, but they know if they go to far then there is a public outcry and when they happens, things get nerfed HARD. The goal is to make as much money as possible while keeping consumers somewhere along the spectrum of happy to grumbling. When they go beyond grumbling to action you end up with anti-trust suites, heavy regulation etc. | |
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Re: You know...said by Racket :This is exactly the kind of scrutiny that these corporations don't want. AT&T and Verizon may co-author legislation in the US, but they know if they go to far then there is a public outcry and when they happens, things get nerfed HARD. The goal is to make as much money as possible while keeping consumers somewhere along the spectrum of happy to grumbling. When they go beyond grumbling to action you end up with anti-trust suites, heavy regulation etc.
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said by WernerSchutz:said by Alky:I live in the states, and I really feel for you Canadians. That is just awful when corporations "buy" the laws. I mean, we have that here too, don't get me wrong. AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast do enough of that. But you all really got the pooch screw. That is the most unreasonable thing I have ever heard of. Good luck with all that!
Coming soon to the US if successful in Canada. Oh big time, they are just waiting to see if it sticks with a "pro business' before making their move. | |
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hatfitnice to Alky
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2011-Feb-1 4:44 pm
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And for once the canadian people stood up against corruption and greed to change things, hopefully, for the better.
Now there are a few other things to fix, but this is a nice start, so keep it up. | |
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I wonder...I bet Harper is thinking of how overturning this decision will benefit him and the rest of the Conservatives in the next election.
I can see the campaign ads now...
Cons: "Hey look at us we rejected the UBB decision!"
Libs: "Hey look at us we brought it up in parliament in the first place!"
NDP: "Hey look at us we're relevant!"
Green: "Someone please look at us!" | |
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2011-Feb-2 8:19 am
Re: I wonder...said by Hindenpeter8:I bet Harper is thinking of how overturning this decision will benefit him and the rest of the Conservatives in the next election.
I can see the campaign ads now...
Cons: "Hey look at us we rejected the UBB decision!"
Libs: "Hey look at us we brought it up in parliament in the first place!"
NDP: "Hey look at us we're relevant!"
Green: "Someone please look at us!"
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2011-Feb-1 5:27 pm
Not everyone stood upUnfortunately, there are many sheep out there who continue to patronize BHell and don't see the bigger picture here. Thank God there are some folks who will stand up to government. | |
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Re: Not everyone stood upNicely done! It's nice to see government get involved sometimes when the people demand it. I can only hope they see the value in this and the fact that the common medium is chaging... this isn't 1985 anymore and the internet is a huge and valuable commodity. It must be protected for the many, many avenues it opens up to people who can't afford other ways of getting their info in or out.
Keep the internet fairly priced for those who rely on it for so many things. Canada is already behind in terms of pricing vs. speed and cap space, we don't need another 3 huge steps back!!
Don't just review it, change it! In a country as large as ours, you need the internet more than you might think, remove it from a lot of people's budgets and see what happens over time.... | |
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FED_UP to jdoe71
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2011-Feb-2 11:53 am
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Hey friend .. I called Bell ----> Hell & Rogers ---> Robers | |
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Re: Not everyone stood upsaid by FED_UP :Hey friend .. I called Bell ----> Hell & Rogers ---> Robers
Officially, it's Bhell, and Robbers. That's the lingo here. | |
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2011-Feb-3 6:33 pm
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Tell me about it, I was arguing with one on Twitter lastnight who thought she knew it all and that internet is just a luxury that they have the right to gouge us with. Unfortunately, Bell and other big companies play and rely on the gullible like that. Thank goodness that there are some of us who remain vigilant. | |
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2011-Feb-1 5:43 pm
Beat them harper beat themCall it election winner or you want, i don't buy into politics.a lot of people don't even realise how big this issue is. i don't care who can get this decision ubb decision over turned. but who ever does it, is getting my vote in the next election. | |
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2011-Feb-1 5:45 pm
Great!Someone earlier alluded to this, but it bears repeating...
You can bet what's going on in Canada will have a big effect here in the States. If the pressure forces the CRTC to back off you can bet that the telcos (and the FCC) here will think very, very hard before trying to pull something like that off.
If you think for a minute that the telcos here weren't salivating at the prospect of similar legislation, or that it couldn't happen here, you're sadly mistaken.
I for one appreciate the efforts of our Canadian friends. I think the reverberations of this fight will reach well outside their country. | |
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2011-Feb-1 6:06 pm
If they want UBB then level the playing fieldI mean if you really want to stop the "free-riders" (Newspeak for Bandwidth Hogs  ) to pay for the bandwidth they consume, then let's level the playing field. Charge actual cost, not 1,000,000% markup and while you're at it, force Bhell to stop charging me for 50 French channels I never watch on my Expressvu Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it Mr. Clement... | |
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Truely SurprisedNot being a Harper supporter, I am truely surprised and pleased with his swift interest in the issue.
Harper just got a +1 in my books. | |
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Orders?Orders and asked are 2 different things. You don't order and then ask for something to be done. They can basically say yah; okay to the request and then just pass it anyway. | |
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FinallyThis is exactly the kind of stuff a conservative party should do. We know they prefer having a free market so forcing non-competitive clauses on customers is really fracking ridiculous.
Good to know we likely won't have to stay outraged over this for too long. | |
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Re: FinallyDon't count on it.
Reviews dont always = changes. | |
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2011-Feb-1 9:06 pm
Re: Finallysaid by alexandra21:Don't count on it.
Reviews dont always = changes. Considering what they did with Wind Mobile, I'd say that the chances of this being overturned are greater than the cabinet allowing this to stand. | |
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Re: FinallyConsidering that Wind Mobile paid hundreds of millions for wireless spectrum only for the CRTC to embarrass Tony & Steve, of course they were going to overturn that.
The money on this issue is on the incumbents side, not the consumers or the wholesale ISPs. | |
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2011-Feb-2 5:24 pm
Re: Finallysaid by Daygard:Considering that Wind Mobile paid hundreds of millions for wireless spectrum only for the CRTC to embarrass Tony & Steve, of course they were going to overturn that. That's irrelevant. Globealive already bought the spectrum, the feds could have cared less what they did with it. Rather, the decision had more to do with trying to increase competition in the market. Other things, such as the potential for the complete elimination of foreign ownership caps, kind of points in the direction of the government not siding with the incumbents, regardless of how much money they may have. | |
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2011-Feb-1 8:16 pm
freeriders?It's all about blame.
Blaming the content providers for too much content (esp when it's competing with TV rates, and subsequent advertising revenue.)
Blame the consumer for downloading it too often, and downloading too much.
Is there a bottleneck on Bell network? Is it the issue of bandwidth for the 'last mile'. Wholesale ISP's supply their OWN 'internet', but it gets pushed to the house via the 'last mile' infrastructure... is that the problem? There must be a bottleneck somewhere to cause Bell to even consider this non-sense. | |
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The bottleneck you speak of is cash flowing into their bank accounts. Plain ole Greed. | |
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2011-Feb-1 9:41 pm
Anything other than outright ban is a failureAnything other than outright ban of markup-UBB is a failure because that will just delay the inevitable.
So they will roll it back to the original 200GB cap. In a month they'll comeback saying "our stats show that 95% of users use just 40GB/month, so we are implementing this kind of cap" and we're back at square 1. | |
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I remember reading once they charge a minimum of $20/customer for line rental, with some other fees involved as well. Does anyone have more exact information? | |
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Re: Another Issuesaid by sonicmerlin:I'm actually curious as to why any third parties have caps at all. I get the impression the incumbents are allowed to charge extremely high rates for third parties to access their lines.
I remember reading once they charge a minimum of $20/customer for line rental, with some other fees involved as well. Does anyone have more exact information?
Simplified: Incumbents charge the independent ISP's about $20 for the basic DSL line @ 5Mbps synch rate. the indie then has to purchase a 'pipe' from the incumbent CO aggregation point back to the NAP (the Network (internet) Access Point - which is the major junction of all ISP's in a metropolitan area). At that location the indie has its own carrier-grade routers, switches, etc.... Also at that location they purchase transit from the large transit providers, to connect to the internet. So a typical indie charging about $30 for a 5Mbps connection has $10 to pay all its expenses and have some profit left over. This is without UBB. | |
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Not sure why anyone would think that thisguy is going to change anything
Maybe he raises the cap a little (or gets the ISPs to do that I should say) but that is it
Poor Canadians will be paying penalties/overages like it is a normal part of their bill the next few years | |
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2011-Feb-2 5:33 pm
Re: Not sure why anyone would think that thissaid by Bill Neilson:guy is going to change anything
Maybe he raises the cap a little (or gets the ISPs to do that I should say) but that is it
Poor Canadians will be paying penalties/overages like it is a normal part of their bill the next few years Doubtful. What you'll probably see is that there will be significant changes to the ruling that make offering unlimited by the wholesalers realistic once again - either though an unlimited tariff, or through aggregated wholesaler-wide UBB rates rather than per-subscriber, or something along those lines. The cabinet review also has the potential to rein in on the incumbents and cause them to either eliminate UBB or significantly increase the caps. The state we're in now is due to years of neglect by the government and a complete lack of knowledge as far as the CRTC goes with regulating GAS wholesale service. The CRTC essentially took the word of the incumbents as being correct. Only now are the feds seeing what a mess we're in and now putting themselves into a position to correct what's going on. | |
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2011-Feb-2 12:35 am
FantasticI was glad to see the NDP take issue with this nonsense. I am now completely blown away that Harper has ordered a review. It looks like the voices were heard. I will not accept anything other then total rejection though. | |
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Re: FantasticGreat to see some serious action need to be taken now. | |
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2011-Feb-2 2:15 am
Bell unlimited Grandfathered since 2007As long as my bell unlimited stays i'll be ok.
Or better When this gets reversed.
I'm going to call those bell pricks and tell them to bring the price of my unlimited internet(50$ i think i will get a 5$ increase soon too.) Or I will cut my internet switch to teksavyy and drop the phone line( my parents been with them for more than 10 yrs[moved from apartments to apartments to a house now since 2005] | |
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2011-Feb-2 2:20 pm
Re: Bell unlimited Grandfathered since 2007said by Bell lol :As long as my bell unlimited stays i'll be ok.
Or better When this gets reversed.
I'm going to call those bell pricks and tell them to bring the price of my unlimited internet(50$ i think i will get a 5$ increase soon too.) Or I will cut my internet switch to teksavyy and drop the phone line( my parents been with them for more than 10 yrs[moved from apartments to apartments to a house now since 2005]
You don't have bell unlimited -- it does NOT exist. | |
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Re: Bell unlimited Grandfathered since 2007said by barf :said by Bell lol :As long as my bell unlimited stays i'll be ok.
Or better When this gets reversed.
I'm going to call those bell pricks and tell them to bring the price of my unlimited internet(50$ i think i will get a 5$ increase soon too.) Or I will cut my internet switch to teksavyy and drop the phone line( my parents been with them for more than 10 yrs[moved from apartments to apartments to a house now since 2005]
You don't have bell unlimited -- it does NOT exist. Yes it does, on grandfathered accounts only, though. Bhell is trying to squeeze them off via regular rate increases, like how a landlord tries to squeeze out a tenant on a unit that he wants to up the rent on. | |
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2011-Feb-2 5:14 am
He better be concernedThis UBB crap is about to hit the west with shaw, and when the conservative base is getting dinged its time to look into things! | |
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2011-Feb-2 6:44 am
UBB is an innovation killerWith internet usage growing 50%/yr , pretty soon most subscribers will be paying $100/mo for internet usage - 2 or 3 times what they pay now.
Cafes and public areas will stop offering internet service (which might cost each location an additional $500/mo with $1/Gb overage).
Budding software developers will lose access to the internet when their parents shut off their connections for excess usage. Telecommuters will pay more too. IT based businesses will have their costs raised during their formative (i.e. garage) stage, causing many of them never to be born.
On top of that, Canadian consumers will pay far more for new and innovative services.
All this for the sole benefit of an oligopoly which kept rates in other sectors (mobile phone) 2-300% higher than their southern neighbor until new competitors arrived.
It's more than just a rate issue. It has a long term economic impact on the country | |
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2011-Feb-2 10:17 pm
UBB IS DEADOttawa to quash CRTC decision killing unlimited Internet » www.montrealgazette.com/ ··· CrV6xAOHAnd to think, this might actually turn out to be an election issue. | |
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