Re: DSLreports user-submitted content good too I've watched a few too many politicians pay this kind of pro-consumer lip service to consumer advocacy. I have a feeling this is a long, long way from being over. Bell (and their fancy hand CRTC puppet) will come back with entirely new justifications and tactics to get this kind of pricing implemented.
Re: DSLreports user-submitted content good too Well and however galvanized the opposition is, Bell Canada has a lot more money to spend that even the most deep-pocketed consumer group. People fighting this fight need to realize this is probably just the beginning.
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Re: cheap chocolate Easter bunny I liked the Kukla, Fran and Ollie analogy.
said by Karl Bode:
Bell (and their fancy hand CRTC puppet) will come back with entirely new justifications and tactics to get this kind of pricing implemented.
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Stop The Meter On Your Internet Use »openmedia.ca/meter
UPDATE: We've taken a big step forward, but the meter continues. Keep signing and sharing - the fight's not over yet.
Internet Service Providers (ISPs) are about to put a pay meter on your Internet use.
This means we're looking at a future where ISPs will charge per byte, the way they do with smart phones. If we allow this to happen Canadians will have no choice but to pay MUCH more for less Internet. Big Telecom companies are obviously trying to gouge consumers, control the Internet market, and ensure that consumers continue to subscribe to their television services.
These Big Telecom companies are forcing small competing ISPs to adopt the same pricing scheme, so that we have no choice but to pay these punitive fees.
This will crush innovative services, Canada's digital competitiveness, social progress, and your wallet.
The NDP, the Liberals, Green Party and Conservative Party have all now come out AGAINST Internet metering. Now for the most important phase of our campaign - the CRTC has been asked to reconsider their billing rules. So far the CRTC is digging in its heels and reacting to public pressure with disdain.
We urgently need to send a clear message to CRTC Chair Konrad von Finckenstein that we demand access to an unmetered internet. Enough is enough.
Re: Time to break up Bell Canada
said by sm5w2:The GAS network is not located at 151 Front Street. The GAS network is located all over Ontario & Quebec. 151 Front Street is just one place that is commonly used to interconnect to the GAS network.
We will keep fighting this battle until Bell Canada is broken up into at least 2 separate companies. The GAS (Gateway Access Service) needs to be split from Bell and operated as a separate company. That should be simple, because it's entirely contained within the building located at 151 front street in toronto.
We connect to the GAS network in Windsor at 1149 Goyeau Street for example.
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Re: Time to break up Bell Canada The point is that you split the GAS part of the network off into a separate company that, as a monopoly service, is heavily regulated by the CRTC in the same way that other similar monopoly-distributed services (gas, water, electricity) are regulated. Then other companies can hook up to the GAS and provide various end-user services (telco/pstn, ADSL, IPTV, etc) which can be less-regulated by the CRTC because there are more players in that space. As an end-customer, I play a flat-fee for my GAS connection - regardless how much data flows through it or what services it carries. It's the retail-level provider (Bell, Teksavvy, etc) that will sell me what-ever service they choose, with what-ever bandwidth capacity, speed, or caps as they choose, and they will compete for my business. And maybe I'll be paying this new GAS company directly for my GAS connection, or maybe it's bundled with what-ever retail-level service I buy from a third-party.
But that's how this should work.
Cable is a different story. The way I understand it, CATV systems were bought, installed and paid-for totally by private enterprise over the years, and as such do not justify being regulated by the CRTC any more than any newspapers or magazines would or could be.
Cable systems should have the ability or rights to sell any programming they want to on their private systems with no interference or oversight by the CRTC. CATV systems are not a public resource, unlike the broadcast spectrum which is a public resource.
That's what you think "I think 150G/month is an acceptable threshold since most internet users barely go above 5-10 Gig/month."
That's not true at all. bell and those guys talk about the average, the average. but we need usage per plan. for example the average user on a 10mps plan uses more than 60 gigs. and the average user on 512kbps plan uses way more than 2 gigs. believe it or not if a person is using the internet even for surfing the net an average of 4 hours a day, your going to blow way past 10 gigs.loading flash site eats a lot of bandwidth.and don't forget those people who use iptv from bell or telus, they average about 400gigs easily, but they were conveniently left out of the bandwidth witchhunt.
the reason why that is so low is because most people aren't are on lite internet, their are even people i know who are on 5mbs, who get just above dial up speed. and bell's answer to that problem. "speed isn't a guaranteed figure, you can get up to 5, not your going to get 5. what a joke.
the so called bandwidth hogs as they call us. yes i am a bandwidth hog and am proud of it, you know why. my monthly bell bills use to be 170 dollars for tv, internet and phone. and the funny thing is, tv is full of commercials, the phone is way over priced and the net which use to be unlimited was being billied for usage.
so i signed up with teksavvy, got the extreme cable 15/1 for 49 bucks a month everything included. got rid of the satellite, and got a voip phone. phone is 10 bucks with italkbb, i use a vpn and got hulu plus u.s and netflix u.s, on a roku player.now my bill for everything
is about 80 dollars and that's for all the movie i can watch and tv shows on netflix and all the tv shows i can watch on hulu. my average usage per month is 300 gigs. but am the one who's the hog?. Gimme a break
i may be one and a few, but those iptv people are in the millions now. so i say to bell if you really want to manage bandwidth properly start throttling those fibe tv people, and am sure their will bandwidth left for everything else.