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until they put fiber into my homethey can stfu. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeI'm glad I don't have them. Feel sorry for people that do! | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeneither do I. I'd say the same thing to Comcast as well. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homesaid by ArrayList:neither do I. I'd say the same thing to Comcast as well. Just because you have fiber to your home doesn't make life peachy keen. Just ask Frontier customers currently. The best fiber optic technology doesn't mean squat if the company behind it doesn't support it, just like a older HFC network and provide more than sufficient capabilities if the provider does support it. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homefrontier didn't put the fiber in if i remember correctly. That whole situation should have never happened. if the powers that be would have done their jobs correctly they would never of allowed Verizon to sell it to frontier. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homesaid by ArrayList:frontier didn't put the fiber in if i remember correctly. That whole situation should have never happened. if the powers that be would have done their jobs correctly they would never of allowed Verizon to sell it to frontier.
Shoulda coulda woulda. It doesn't matter. It did happen and here we are. Eventually others will have fiber too and the potential for good HFC and bad FTTH networks will still be there. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homemy point is is that those customers didn't sign up to a halfass ftth network. they had a good product originally. | |
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and in the end VZ would have just pulled out anyway and the network would have went with them. Which is legal in almost ALL states. Any phone company has the right to just up and leave with a 90 day notice to the State. If the State's don't like it; OH well. It's what they agreed to. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homesaid by hottboiinnc4:and in the end VZ would have just pulled out anyway and the network would have went with them. Which is legal in almost ALL states. Any phone company has the right to just up and leave with a 90 day notice to the State. If the State's don't like it; OH well. It's what they agreed to.
Any business has the right to buy their way out of a bad choice and screw the population. Yep, that sounds about right. The folks in the previous Verizon areas probably wish that they would have just up and left. Nothing is better than Frontier. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeTWC does NOT lie in their ads- FTTP is available they just dont' state where or how to get it. ATT and VZ do the same thing. So it's okay for them but not anyone else? Yep! that's about it. Cable Companies are the evil on here and so is VZ unless their deploying FiOS to people left and right. But TWC is NOT buying their way out- their saying they do have an all fiber network- they're just not saying how or who gets it. But anyone can get it if they wanna pay for it. the same with VZ and ATT. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homesaid by hottboiinnc4:. But anyone can get it if they wanna pay for it. the same with VZ and ATT.
No they don't. When you request a fiber line to a residential house you will be rejected by TW business. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeNOT True. You gotta talk to the correct department in Business Class. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my home I don't know where your getting your info from but its wrong.
If your "house" is in a downtown metro center **AND** you can pay through a business then you ***MIGHT*** get a fiber drop.
Other wise TW business will insist you get a SOHO small business / home office account line, which is over coax | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homesaid by DataRiker: I don't know where your getting your info from but its wrong.
If your "house" is in a downtown metro center **AND** you can pay through a business then you ***MIGHT*** get a fiber drop.
Other wise TW business will insist you get a SOHO small business / home office account line, which is over coax
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said by S_engineer:I'm glad I don't have them. Feel sorry for people that do!
It's the only reasonable broadband in my city. I am in Verizion and it has FIOS in my city, but not on my hill.  I can go back to 3 KB/sec dial-up, ISDN (144/144 Kb/sec for over 100 bucks), satellite (too slow, capped, expensive), T1 (too expensive), WISP doesn't reach here, etc. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homePoint-to-Point link using dd-wrt and a pair of wireless routers.
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Re: until they put fiber into my homesaid by Simba7:Point-to-Point link using dd-wrt and a pair of wireless routers.
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeA friends' or neighbor's house. All you need is LOS to their place and you're good to go. There's several tutorials on how to make a LD-WiFi connection. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homesaid by Simba7:A friends' or neighbor's house. All you need is LOS to their place and you're good to go. There's several tutorials on how to make a LD-WiFi connection. Ah, they're not that close to me and I don't know anyone who has FIOS in my city. Heh. They all have TWC RR. :P LOS is a problem due to hills, trees, etc. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeI understand it's the only choice for many....which is pretty F***ing sad in this day and age. They will kill the Golden Goose!
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they will put fiber to your home. It is available. Just ask. You will get it. FTTP is available ever where TWC offers service. What people fail to understand is that you have to ASK and call the Dedicated Accounts Department and talk to someone. So until VZ decides to put its money where its mouth is they should STFU. And no offense, you should learn what your cable provider offers; along with ALL the other providers. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeTWC has no FTTH residential products. I am not a business. I have no use for their business products. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeDoesn't matter if you're a business or not. you can still get access to the product. They WILL sell it to anyone!? Got it? NOPE! Of course not!
But yes FTTP is available to anyone who wishes to have it. Just be prepared to pay for it just like any other service. Don't like it- well i guess that's your choice and then bitch about it like everyone else because its not VZ giving you what you want. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeThis is America. If I want to take a shit in a Toilet made of Bacon and swiss cheese on the Whitehouse lawn, I could. I just have to have the cash. Is that what your saying? | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeif you want FTTP with any provider- YEP! be willing to pay for it and get it. Just ask. If you don't - you dont' get it. See the thing here? This was all talked about with BH a few days ago. And yet nobody sees this as a repeat article from Karl. He just changes the name and re posts what he did years ago. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeI've asked providers for years if they will run me fiber as a residential account. they never will. They say I have to take a business account. Which I have to refuse because, as I said before, I am not a business. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeThat's MY POINT! YOU must order the product from the BUSINESS Department. Just because its not available from the Residential side does NOT mean it's not available to you at your home. So your argument is a moot one. Because you just clearly admitted that it is available. It's just that YOU refuse to call the Business Accounts Department. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homeit is NOT available for me. it is available for a business. I am not a business. | |
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said by hottboiinnc4:That's MY POINT! YOU must order the product from the BUSINESS Department. Just because its not available from the Residential side does NOT mean it's not available to you at your home. So your argument is a moot one. Because you just clearly admitted that it is available. It's just that YOU refuse to call the Business Accounts Department. Some won't even do that if you don't live in a Business District. Others will probably do it, but rob you blind for installation. Your best bet, buy a spool and do it yourself. --
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Re: until they put fiber into my homethey will do it for anyone with the $$$. You don't have to live in a business district. And of course their going to charge you installation. They just don't have fiber there to drop to your house. They do have to run it for that install. But the fact is the Fiber is widely available in the field and they do sell it. BBR just doesn't like the fact that its not FiOS. | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homesaid by hottboiinnc4:they will do it for anyone with the $$$. You don't have to live in a business district. And of course their going to charge you installation. They just don't have fiber there to drop to your house. They do have to run it for that install. But the fact is the Fiber is widely available in the field and they do sell it. BBR just doesn't like the fact that its not FiOS.
It is really, really simple if you think about it. If you actually build your own business district, maybe your own city, all you have to do is ASK* the RIGHT** person and it will be done. *ASK = $ **RIGHT = $$$ | |
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said by hottboiinnc4:they will do it for anyone with the $$$. You've lost sight of the spirit of the argument. Point is, TWC pretends to be doing what FIOS already does. It's a clear distortion of the facts, specifically intended to make ordinary users believe something that isn't true. said by hottboiinnc4: BBR just doesn't like the fact that its not FiOS. FIOS does it at prices competitive with "normal" consumer broadband pricing. TWC may sell you fiber, but you have to go the Business/Enterprise route and pay huge sums of money for the buildout. Comparing TWC Enterprise fiber with Residential FIOS is not anywhere near an apples-to-apples comparison.You are clearly a cable shill. | |
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Amen. Carl does it all the time. Rinse, Spin, repeat... | |
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Re: until they put fiber into my homesaid by Heated Man:Amen. Carl does it all the time. Rinse, Spin, repeat...
Because the story is the same with most carriers. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be reported. | |
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said by hottboiinnc4:they will put fiber to your home. It is available. Just ask. You will get it. FTTP is available ever where TWC offers service. What people fail to understand is that you have to ASK and call the Dedicated Accounts Department and talk to someone. So until VZ decides to put its money where its mouth is they should STFU. And no offense, you should learn what your cable provider offers; along with ALL the other providers.
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2011-Feb-9 4:56 pm
Their ad..Ever notice they made "Phone Company." bigger then the other lines? Technically, if they offer Telephone services, aren't they technically a phone company, too?
Just curious.. Almost like having a "Cable Company" not calling themselves a "Television Content Delivery Service".
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Now if Verizon would start its FiOS deployment againWhat are your plans Verizon for 2012?
Sick of mismanagement and treated like a third-world country with ADSL 1.1/384 for the past seven years. | |
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2011-Feb-9 5:31 pm
I hate the false claims, but...TW (et al) point is that they run fiber to the node. VZ's point is that you shouldn't advertise fiber unless it's last mile.
Here's a suggestion to TW et al for your next commercial--
Show a "Sliders"-esque view of traveling through a smooth-spacey looking tunnel at "high" speed, have it slam to a stop with an abrupt scene cut to a view of the front of the average American home (a colonial w/ an attached garage), we can see a person at a PC screen visible in the living room, now pull back the camera to reveal we've been over a Ferrari which is sitting at the end of the driveway, cue the sound of it's engine racing... cue Ferrari doing an insane smokey burn out for the 30-40' from the end of the driveway at the street into the garage, with the a voice over and on screen tag line "There's no speed limit in your driveway" ... cut to the person at their PC smiling and excited while doing all sorts of visually "fast" things while a voice over says "Time Warner provides fiber optic connections to your neighborhood and uses your existing cable wire to provide 'lightning fast' 100Mb (or whatever) connections to your cable modem without the need for drilling new holes or mounting boxes, because with Time Warner there's no speed limit in your driveway"
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Re: Wait a sec, Bell has 'Fibe'...In Bell Canada's case, its more of a 'fib' than 'fibe'.
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2011-Feb-9 5:56 pm
Nothing to see here yet, move along...The date of the report in the link is February 9, 2012.
I wish Time Warner would use their advanced fiber network for their TBONE... perhaps then latency wouldn't be 300-800ms. | |
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Re: Nothing to see here yet, move along...T-bone is an advanced fiber network. Trouble is, a lay person is not qualified to diagnose it. | |
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Re: When...FTTP always has. They use P and NOT home. P is business or home. and yes you can always got it. | |
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Guess I'm doing pretty good by their standards.Cool. I can tell all my soon-to-be-jealous friends I've got fiber capability in my house. I don't have to tell them it's only S/PDIF to connect the audio output of my HTPC to my stereo receiver and that my HTPC is still connected back to my network via CAT-5, but hey, if Time Warner can do it. . .
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Re: Guess I'm doing pretty good by their standards.said by fireflier:Cool. I can tell all my soon-to-be-jealous friends I've got fiber capability in my house. I don't have to tell them it's only S/PDIF to connect the audio output of my HTPC to my stereo receiver and that my HTPC is still connected back to my network via CAT-5, but hey, if Time Warner can do it. . .
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Karl at it again.This again ? Didnt you post this article about 2 years ago Karl ?
Who cares what its delivered in fiber, copper all I give a sh** about is how reliable is the service.
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Re: Karl at it again.sad part is the certain little agency- has NO legal power at all. Just like the BBB. It's nothing but a paid trade group that keeps your business's complaints hidden from the public. It's the modern day mafia/mob. most businesses and customers are starting to see this but until people really find out how the BBB works; it will keep going on.
Anything attached to the BBB is nothing but a bunch of people collecting $$$$ from the highest paying company. | |
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said by QNSSPEED:This again ? Didnt you post this article about 2 years ago Karl ?
Who cares what its delivered in fiber, copper all I give a sh** about is how reliable is the service.
I smell Verizon being afraid of a little competition so they go and cry to certain agency's.
LOL!! Took the words right out of my mouth. I'm almost tired of calling him out on this stuff because it's almost a daily event and ohhh so obvious.  | |
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2011-Feb-9 7:43 pm
WowSo it took this long for inaction? Basically after all these years TWC just gets a talking to and put on notice that the next time they do it the complaint will be forwarded to the FTC which may or may not do anything about it? Gimme a break! | |
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Re: who caresFios is the best service around. I've had TWC in Ohio and Southern California. There is NO contest, Fios wins hands down moomo@"rr.com" | |
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the real deal:Verizon offers faster FTTP speed tiers than Time Warner.. plain and simple. They've made it no secret that 150/35 is available in the business tier. Also, 50/35 FIOS beats a time warner 50/20 docsis 3.0 too. This is why cablevision is offering their 15/2 triple play for about $75 per month instead of $99. Some FIOS customers who got in on a 24 month (no contract) deal for 25/25 symmetric forced cablevision to lower prices. That's not apparently forcing Time Warner to either improve service and/or offer more for less when it comes to internet.
Needless to say, we've gone over the same arguement that docsis 1-2.x doesn't offer 24/7/365 guaranteed throughput to the localest speed test site as fttp or dsl due to the nature of the nodes which are limited when underprovisioned, oversold, and saturated in the upstream as told by countless customers of EVERY stripe of cable company. Also, the customers who say they've had their FULL tier speed will post time and again to say different. The majority of customers know that network throttling regardless of the reason is a real for every customer-- just some don't notice it when they use the internet (typically for web browsing, vs acutal downloading/streaming of content).
Services for docsis 3.0 are so expensive that there aren't enough customers on those frequencies to justify a QOS calculation. Those customers are paying above $100 a month just for INTERNET which typically high upfront costs. Cable companies try to hide their pricing for the higher (business class) tiers:; cough, cough Brighthouse.. and they call them business class tiers for a reason.. because typically mostly businesses can justify an internet subscription 3+ times the price of entry level residential internet. | |
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2011-Feb-10 11:21 am
Verizon's complaints are interesting......given they're not truly FTTH, either. FTTC, anyone?
In our MDU, Verizon reuses Cox RG for the risers, and the laterals are all USTP... with the associated performance and reliability you'd expect from that "last mile" inside plant.
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2011-Feb-10 12:29 pm
FrontierlandPer the original post, it summarizes the reality of TWC, Comcast, et. al. running fast to claim that they, too, "have a fiber-optic network in your neighborhood." Me wonders why they didn't just push harder on DOCSIS 3.0 coming to a theater or drive in near you soon. . . but it wasn't ready for primetime when FiOS showed up.
I have Frontier FiOS now in the Seattle area - originally got it from Verizon two years ago after 5 years with Comcast. Ironically as I salivated with anticipation about FiOS, the last few months of my Comcast TV service started to degrade noticeably. And, at the very end when they said you've got 12M service - and I pinged them about this, it never got above its usual 4-5M on what had been a 6M service plan.
FiOS Internet since then has been flawless - to say nothing of TV picture quality and delivery. When Frontier Comm was buying these states, the CEO said that FiOS TV might not be something they'd continue with, so no news on that front. When headlines screamed that it was going up $30/mo due to costs, the price was STILL competitive with Comcast bundles though not as a stand alone product.
I will stick with FiOS TV in a bundle until Frontier dumps it because they don't want to manage that piece of business, but the Internet is superior at 25M/25M. And using coax or CAT 5 wire in your home has virtually no impact on the service delivery - that was all tested out well before Verizon embarked on its plan to bring fiber optics to the side of your house.
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2011-Feb-10 4:16 pm
FiOSPure quadrature amplitude modulation. Put that in your B.S. advertising CATV.
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FTTH for me verizonSo my ONT is in my house the fiber goes threw the wall in to my house to where i can accualy see the fiber head threw my wall of my living room so i think it's FTTH for some and FTTP for some that has the ONT outside their house or basement building. Im part of the FTTH cause it's not outside or in the basement it's in the living room that is where the ONT is located. | |
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2011-Feb-13 3:12 pm
Re: FTTH for me verizonsaid by Agent Smith2:So my ONT is in my house the fiber goes threw the wall in to my house to where i can accualy see the fiber head threw my wall of my living room so i think it's FTTH for some and FTTP for some that has the ONT outside their house or basement building.
You have FTTLR, fiber to the living room, but also FTTP, fiber to the premise. Your premise includes your living room. Verizon uses premise as that includes your living room as well as a home or business. Fiber to the home does not sound like a professional business type of service as a business is not a home. | |
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