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But yeah.. Hollywood will knock that very soon. | |
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| Re: LOL said by S_engineer: l ast night I tried to get to the site and I could not be connected. Now, its a waitlist. Sounds to me like a pretty small outfit looking for a venture capitalist. Now if that were true, they'd better find enough to fight hollywoods goons....the congress!
Well, the concept is sheer genius.
Hollywood is busy protecting revenues of physical media and piracy. Stacks of DVD players streaming content addresses both; Zediva keeps buying physical media to stream online, and the DVD player addresses DRM.
I would love to see Hollywood cook up a new defense on this. | |
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|  56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium
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kudos:2 | Nice try, but they'll be impaled on performance rights restrictions. | |
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| I'm pretty sure the MPAA will say that even though physical DVDs are being used, that it's still streaming because, well the video and audio are being streamed.
Now maybe if they set up a close circuit TV feed, pointing at TV monitors where the DVDs are playing...., nah.
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kudos:8 | Caps Will Kill Them See title. | |
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kudos:1 |  Bravo!
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| | Very ingenious on their part But to scale up they are going to need a ton of cash and also to fend off the army of lawyers that is marching towards them. If they somehow manage to get this to trial it would be very interesting. | |
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| | | Re: Very ingenious on their part DVD players are cheap these days
The majority of their monies will be spent in legal defense, no doubt. | |
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San Jose, CA | Cute idea... ...but I wonder how it's going to scale... | |
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| GbcueP.E.Premium
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kudos:8 | Re: Cute idea... said by bobrk:...but I wonder how it's going to scale...
Add more players?
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kudos:2 | Re: Cute idea... Whose caps? | |
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| | | | | Re: Cute idea... Didn't you know that every single ISP in the galaxy will do exactly as AT&T does? | |
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 | Re: Cute idea... Sorry, missed that memo. Did they post it on www.google.com? | |
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|  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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kudos:7 | said by bobrk:...but I wonder how it's going to scale...
Rip image, save on hard drive, stream as many copies as needed/"licensed". Store physical copies in a box in some warehouse for when they get audited and/or sued. | |
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| | bobrkYou kids get offa my lawnPremium
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| Re: Cute idea... said by cdru:said by bobrk:...but I wonder how it's going to scale...
Rip image, save on hard drive, stream as many copies as needed/"licensed". Store physical copies in a box in some warehouse for when they get audited and/or sued. Ok, let's pay attention here. The business model is you controlling your own DVD player directly. There are no hard drives. So for every simultaneous streaming video, there has to be a DVD player and the associated machinery to load it. | |
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kudos:7 | Re: Cute idea... said by bobrk:Ok, let's pay attention here. The business model is you controlling your own DVD player directly. There are no hard drives. So for every simultaneous streaming video, there has to be a DVD player and the associated machinery to load it. I am paying attention. Let me break it down for those that are a little slower.
Obviously 1 DVD player/stream is less than practical. It just doesn't scale both from an efficiency, space, or cost standpoint. Even if you were using a specialized DVD changer rack mounted, it's just not optimal.
You can rip a bitwise identical copy of the disc, save a few hundred discs to a single hard drive, and serve up multiple streams from the same disc image mounted to the server. From the server's standpoint, there is a CD in a drive somewhere, just that somewhere is a virtual drive and the disc is an iso image.
You now have less servers, less DVD drives with mechanisms that fail far more often then hard drives, faster/larger hard drives, less datacenter space, etc... | |
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Cute idea... Read the First Sale doctrine. You are changing the media type. This is not allowed. | |
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| | | | bobrkYou kids get offa my lawnPremium
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San Jose, CA | Dude, I get it. That's the point I'm trying to make. I don't think it will scale. But that doesn't change that this is what they're doing. | |
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| | Lots of DVD players soon to be available My guess is that all these DVD players will be for sale soon on eBay or Craig's List. | |
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|  En EnferThis account has been compromised
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Montreal, QC
kudos:4 | Re: Lots of DVD players soon to be available Forget physical DVD players: make a ISO image of a DVD, use software to decode them, stream to the end user. Much easier.
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| | | | Re: Lots of DVD players soon to be available said by En Enfer:Forget physical DVD players: make a ISO image of a DVD, use software to decode them, stream to the end user. Much easier.
But if they are taken to court and they have done that, then they have broken the copyright protection on the discs and can be subject to penalties from that.
I'm sure that is why they decided to go with separate DVD players.
But they are going to lose on this one. This is no different than a cable or satellite company deciding to start a channel where they have a DVD player connected and just play a random movie and broadcast it.
They don't have the rights to broadcast these DVD's over the Internet. There is no legal way around having to obtain that license to broadcast. If you didn't have to do that, Netflix could just rip DVD's and stream anything they wanted.
But their streaming catalog is limited because they have to get licenses to stream the content. | |
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 | Re: Lots of DVD players soon to be available This is different: the streaming is going on 1:1 between the DVD players and the users. It's not a broadcast if it's 1:1. | |
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San Jose, CA | Ahh, but you fail: Internet != Broadcast. This is point to point, single view. Only if it were sent to Multicast, or via Radio, would it be broadcast. Internet != Broadcast. | |
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join:2001-10-20
Palm Coast, FL | I love the idea but.. I don't think it's going to last. It's only a matter of time before the MPAA figures out a way to bring these guys down. It's a great idea, but I just can't see how this will last. | |
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|  LazarusSlavin AwayPremium
join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND | Re: I love the idea but.. And we will get to see one of the big companies shoot themselves in the foot again because they refuse to adapt to change and customer demand. | |
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| | Already not legal Don't all those DVDs say something to the effect of "For Private Use Only"
It is the same reason you can't buy DVDs to run a theatre. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Already not legal They're fine with that; people pay per movie. | |
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Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by HappyAnarchy :Don't all those DVDs say something to the effect of "For Private Use Only"
It is the same reason you can't buy DVDs to run a theatre.
No warnings or messages can overrule law. First sale still stands even if the FBI warning said you will be anally probed by martians if you sell or rent the dVD. | |
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| | What About The Caps? So how are they going to provide high speed internet to everyone so we can watch the movies? And what about the data caps and the high cost? Paying $50 per 1Gb on T-mobile would cost me $200 to watch just one movie! | |
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|  ScottMoOnce in a LifetimePremium,MVM
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Stony Brook, NY | Re: What About The Caps? You bring your own internet. McDonalds doesn't provide people cars so they can use the drive through.
Sorry if your internet is so expensive, but just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for everyone. | |
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| Hollywood When will Hollywood get their head out of their butt and leave these companies alone that do streaming over internet. It's always about jealously and greed. Your Hollywood was smart they would get into the game directly and have a huge piece of the action. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Hollywood said by neftv:When will Hollywood get their head out of their butt and leave these companies alone that do streaming over internet. It's always about jealously and greed. Your Hollywood was smart they would get into the game directly and have a huge piece of the action.
if they where smart they would give their entire movie vault to Netflix(for a nominal license fee) with almost no restrictions. and let them add it to streaming. I mean the studios have thousands of movies making no money right now. many of which do not have the following to make it worth scaling up a DVD line for. but if they digitize it and let Netflix stream it they just might get some revenue from an old movie.
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kudos:1 | Re: Hollywood If you let out the old movies, they will just steal $ and viewership eyes. Keeping them locked up ensures the latest movies will have eyes. Overpaid producers and celebrities wont have a job then *tiny violin music* | |
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| | Genius Okay, I, like many others here, find this pure genius. A simple yet legal (maybe?) way around stream restrictions imposed on netflix. I wonder who thought of this and how the thought transpired...
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| Nice try but... This will get shot down in any court of law as a violation of licencing agreements for DVD's. When you buy a DVD you actually are only buying licence to play the DVD under the conditions set out by the copyright owner.
I'm not 100% sure, but I can't imagine video stores just buy DVD's off the shelf to rent. They must have agreements to buy and rent out DVD's at a certain royalty per rental.
As much as I'd love such an idea to work, the courts will look at it and shoot it down. Just being realistic here, but points to them for trying. | |
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| | | Re: Nice try but... Wrong. That is exactly what Redbox did. | |
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Allentown, PA | Re: Nice try but... Exactly. Redbox buys DVDs then puts them in vending machines and people borrow them. This is basically the same thing only you are borrowing the disc, the DVD player, and access to the player.
Like paying someone to give you the key to their house so u can go watch their movies. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Re: Nice try but... I thought RedBox paid the movie copyright holder a fee for each rental? In fact, I thought all rental services paid the copyright holder a per-view fee.
This approach seems to be no different but they will get their day in court. This is similar to the network DVR feud that fueled the 401k plans of quite a few lawyers. | |
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join:2000-12-15
Stony Brook, NY | Redbox actually buys DVD wholesale, not retail. They did buy some retail during their fight with Warners, et al a year ago, but that's not the way they usually operate.
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| hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha... hahahahahahahaha... hahahahahahaha
Too funny! Go underdog.
Slingbox is 1:1 as well, right? If they do get hassled, I hope they end up with a judge who laughs this out of court, and then expand like crazy.
Why not franchise this to better localize? If done right, it'd almost be the next local video store kind of thing.
ISPs would be happy - bandwidth would be local to the area instead of across trunk lines, unless the local hub didn't have the DVD...
...At that point, caps would have to be irrelevant for local distribution...
..which is yet another point... caps shouldn't apply to traffic within an ISPs network. ...hmm... perhaps why so many got rid of newsgroups?
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San Jose, CA | Re: hahahahahaha Many ISPs point out backbones are currently still not the bottleneck; the local loop is. | |
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| | Always in the details It seems obvious, or at least something that's crossed my mind. But implementation is a long way from concept.
They'd have to have a DVD player for every customer. Well, maybe not all of them, but however many try to stream at any given time. Hmm, an implementation detail.
I bet they wish they could rip the DVDs to HDD. Even if they could guarantee that the number of customer accessing a copy never exceeds the number of physical DVDs in their possession, they'd lose the legal battle on having ripped in the first place. (Geez, didn't someone already lose this battle?)
Physical DVD players is a good defense. Where does it cross over to being illegal:
1) A storefront where customers pick up and return DVD players preloaded with a DVD in person.
2) A storefront where DVD players sent to and returned by customers via UPS.
3) DVD players at storefront, A/V & remote control cables run from each DVD player to a customer.
4) #3, with a giant crossbar switch allows any customer to be hooked exclusively to any DVD player.
5) DVD players at warehouse in the valley, A/V & control signals routed over broadband internet.
If they're successful they'll get to learn about DVD player failure rates they way Google learned about HDD failure rates. | |
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| | Won't Scale Even if we assume that the MPAA doesn't go after them (big assumption), this just won't scale. You would need one DVD player per active user. If you had a hundred thousand users active at any given time, you'd need to be juggling 100,000 DVD players. If a significant amount of those users requested the same DVD, you'd run out of copies to serve.
Contrast this against streaming where you just send the video file to the user. It is much easier to scale this from 1,000 users to 1,000,000 users than it is to scale physical DVD players and physical discs.
Now, if they were making ISO images of the DVDs and virtualizing the DVD player, there might be hope for them. (Of course, then they definitely would run afoul of the MPAA so there wouldn't be hope anymore.)
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