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Taking A Closer Look At AT&T's Inaccurate Usage Meters
AT&T Meter is Wildly Over-Estimating Customer Usage
by gvd Tuesday 29-Mar-2011 tags: business · hardware · bandwidth · networking · consumers · AT&T Southeast · AT&T Midwest · AT&T Southwest
I admit it, I'm a heavy internet user. I've been a heavy internet user since before the term was coined. I'm the guy you always talk to when you want to find out what you're going to be doing with technology in the next two years. Yes, I'm THAT guy – I download, game, stream, use VoIP and more over my internet connection. With that in mind, I was more than a bit alarmed when AT&T recently announced that they were going to cap usage on all DSL lines.

AT&T claimed I used 33% more data than was actually sent and received in January.
I had followed the UBB controversy in Canada, and knew that many of the Canadian ISPs were having trouble getting reliable usage numbers from their equipment. It was with that foreknowledge that I logged into AT&T's DSL usage meter (found here, account required) and was shocked.

AT&T said that I had used 361GB in a single month! Surely this couldn't be right. I'm a heavy user, but every time I even so much as glanced at my usage stats they've always been in the 200GB range. Surely something was amiss, so I decided to dig deeper.

AT&T can't add their own numbers


It's an old habit, but the first thing I do when I suspect something is wrong with any bill is enter all the line items into a spreadsheet and add them up myself. It sounds like busywork, but sometimes you'll catch unlisted charges that have been phantomly added to your bill, or occasionally an outright math error. I couldn't believe what I found. AT&T's usage meter results insist I had used 341.39GB down, and 20.18GB up. But when I added all the daily detail entries (the DSL equivalent of a call log), only 332.8GB down and 0.72GB up are accounted for.

AT&T is claiming that I used 361.57GB of data, but according to their own daily data I only used 333.52GB, an 8.5% overcharge.

AT&T's usage numbers appear to be corrupt


After finding that AT&T can't add its own stats correctly, I decided that more in-depth checking was warranted. Luckily, my DD-WRT router is the last stop before my DSL modem, and it automatically keeps upload and download usage meters. I already had everything necessary to fact-check AT&T's usage numbers. When I compared the daily AT&T usage data vs DD-WRT's usage data, I was in for a shock. It appears as though AT&T's data is entirely corrupt. Not only was I being wildly overcharged on some days (to the tune of a 15GB overcharge in a single day), but I was also being undercharged on other days.
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The errors become glaringly obvious when the AT&T reported data minus the DD-WRT reported data is graphed. Points above the axis are overcharges, points below the axis are undercharges:
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The corresponding upload usage graphs aren't any more pretty, and clearly demonstrate that there is a problem:
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This appears to be a smoking gun, demonstrating the unreliability of AT&T's data usage collection on their DSL lines. In January AT&T claimed I used a total of 64 Gigs more data than DD-WRT recorded (a 20% overcharge), and in February AT&T claimed I used an additional 34.5 Gigs (a 17% overcharge). When you compound those overcharges with the additional 10% overcharge from AT&T's simple math mistakes, the net effect is that AT&T claimed I used 33% more data than was actually sent and received in January.

Finally, I wanted to know if I was simply an unfortunate soul, or if I had stumbled across a systematic problem in AT&T's usage meter. I started a thread in the forums here at Broadband Reports and found quite a number of other people experiencing similar issues with AT&T overbilling their data usage. Though their data collection methods vary, the consistent theme is the same: AT&T's usage meter is wildly inaccurate.

How can you tell if you're being overcharged?


It's not hard to maintain independent usage statistics to double-check AT&T's numbers. If you have a DD-WRT compatible router, it will keep your upload and download history automatically. If you don't have a compatible router, you can still run WallWatcher or MRTG to get the total bandwidth used by your router. Finally, if your computer is connected directly to your DSL modem without a router, you can run software like Net Meter to track your internet usage.

Using any or all of these tools, you'll be able to monitor your total bandwidth usage and compare it to AT&T's. Enough people have reported problems that it's worth your time and effort to set up independent monitoring before AT&T's usage caps start May 2nd.


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Simba7
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Cacti

I use Cacti on a separate server on my network. It just sends SNMP requests to the router and graphs the responses. Too bad they disabled SNMP access on the cable modem itself.

Oh ya, I have it send a request every minute, so the graphs are nice and smooth (at times) and highly accurate.

Overkill, ya.. But when this crap happens, it's nice to have.
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fifty nine

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Re: Cacti

I use RRDTool graphs built into pfsense (my firewall).

It usually matches up with what PenTeleData's usage page says I use.

DarkLogix
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I now use PRTG
I have it logging the usage in/out the wan router interface, LAN, 1st switch, 2nd switch

as a bonus it also logs router and switch cpu usage and recently I got it to graph the cable modem RF data

pnh102
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Perfect Role for Government

Looks like it is time for state and local governments to intervene, as they have the authority to verify any meter or scale used in a commercial transaction for accuracy. Even the federal government could get involved as this can be an interstate commerce issue.

If your electric company or water company attempted to overcharge you based on an inaccurate meter, they would be in some trouble. If a gas station charges you for one gallon of gas and you only received 2/3 a gallon, that station would also be in some trouble. If a grocery store charged you for 1 pound of apples but you only received half a pound, that store would be in some trouble.

AT&T should be subject to the same scrutiny. I hope every manner of government agency insists that these meters be verifiable, so much so that it causes AT&T so many problems that they reconsider their metered approach to broadband.
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Re: Perfect Role for Government

problem with att is they have everybody in there pockets so I never expect and outcome that will be worth it to us the users of there service, as to why I am packing my shit and hitting the road. They do not get it, we're not sheep and we will go find better pastures to roam and play in.

robot

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Palos Hills, IL

Re: Perfect Role for Government

Big Oil has everyone in their pockets and a gas station still would get in trouble.
Chuck_IV

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New Milford, CT

Re: Perfect Role for Government

Gas stations are normally independently owned and operated. So no, the OIL company won't get in trouble, the OWNER of the gas station will.

vpoko
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Re: Perfect Role for Government

Still, the oil company would get in trouble if they shorted the gas station (or their distributor, etc).
kevinloydw

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

Big oil never got into trouble when they short changed Super America, back when I worked for them. They blamed it on the truck driver(* independent agent) whenever we were able to show delivery of less than paid for. Which happened about once every other month or so. I always took a measurement right before pump in and one right after....
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Not to rain on your argument, but Big Oil doesn't own many local filling stations...
pepe7

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

I hate to poop on your wonderful parade, but big oil indirectly "owns" the folks who supply the gas stations.

Less of big oil, big auto & the airlines (along with most of the big banks) in this country would be a good thing for everyone.
PhotoDLG

join:2003-02-08
Dayton, OH

Re: Perfect Role for Government

Wow! Someone who gets it! A call for smaller business to go with smaller government. The bigger 'big business' gets the bigger government HAS to be to keep it in check!

Kudos!

baineschile
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ATT would just contest the DDWRT is wrong. Obivously they are getting their data from somwhere.

Personally, its hard to believe that someone downloaded 330gb and uploaded less than 1gb
beaups

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Hilliard, OH

Re: Perfect Role for Government

What's the ratio for acknowledgement packets (excuse my poor lingo here)? 330:1 is pretty hard to imagine. Wouldn't more upload be used just to send acknowledgements? (again, sorry for lingo again).
Prototype5

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

There acks are not just fewer in number but smaller in size as well.

Matt3
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said by baineschile:

Personally, its hard to believe that someone downloaded 330gb and uploaded less than 1gb

It's AT&T's line-by-line math that is claiming he only used .72GB of data, even though the total says 20GB.

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cramer

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DDWRT is wrong by default. AT&T is monitoring the ATM interface on the DSLAM. Those numbers will be *insanely* inflated. First by the overhead of ATM/AAL5. Then by cell padding. EVERY cell is 53bytes -- 5 byte header (AAL5) 48 byte payload. Even if there's only 3 bytes in the payload, you transfered 53bytes; you're charged for 53bytes. The overhead is, well, a lot.

(Then there's the wasted bits due to errors. They cross the line, you pay for them.)

Matt3
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Re: Perfect Role for Government

said by cramer:

DDWRT is wrong by default. AT&T is monitoring the ATM interface on the DSLAM. Those numbers will be *insanely* inflated. First by the overhead of ATM/AAL5. Then by cell padding. EVERY cell is 53bytes -- 5 byte header (AAL5) 48 byte payload. Even if there's only 3 bytes in the payload, you transfered 53bytes; you're charged for 53bytes. The overhead is, well, a lot.

(Then there's the wasted bits due to errors. They cross the line, you pay for them.)

Hey fellow NC guy.

That may be the case, but can you explain why usage is frequently GIGABYTES out of whack?
cramer

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

OVERHEAD

I don't know what your traffic looks like, so I cannot even guess what kind of "cell tax" you're likely to see. Baseline it should be off by around 10%, just because of AAL5. But PPPoE and cell padding pushes that number up. (cell padding is what's really going to add up.)

overhead = [roundup((ppp frame+8)/48) * 53] - [ppp frame]

So, a (random) 416 byte frame would have 61 bytes of overhead. It takes 9 frames (477B) to transmit it, the last frame has 8B of padding plus the 8B AAL5 trailer.

ifo33

@comcast.net
We shouldn't be having meters in the FIRST place, companies start putting this in, we all start getting used to meters, like its an every day thing and they have to be there. Fight this people!!

There are no reasons for caps, none. There is no logical reason why someone should be capped for the amount of internet through wired networks they are using in a time when there is no strain on wired networks, plenty of back haul and no lack of bandwidth.

again......

The internet IS NOT WATER and it's NOT ELECTRICITY, why do people constantly compare this to these? They are totally UNRELATED and are completely different, the internet isn't some resource like water or electricity, it's something that's completely plentiful and will never "run out" or go "bad". It is also not GAS, you don't have a limit on how much you can go on the internet, as long as your computer has juice it's good to go.

Caps for ATT/Comcast/etc might seem fine for most people now, it's when you start hitting those caps when people get upset, and by then it's too late, it becomes the norm with ISP's. How the hell can any of you people support what these companies are doing? Do you have any justified reason?

I repeat, there is NO REASON for caps/meters on wired internet, PERIOD
exeter

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

"US Government proposal to charge $5 for every liter of air you breath. This proposal came before congress in an attempt to find proper funding for public health care......"

They might as well, I pay 50 cents every time I fill up my car tires with air. lol
gorehound

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politicians have been bought and payed for.we are so screwed and doomed

Fighterpilot

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Govt get involved? HELL FN NO. Govt gets involved and costs/taxes go up. Companies don't pay taxes, YOU DO. Any federally mandated tax/cost/compliance/etc will just be passed onto the consumer. No thanks.
PhotoDLG

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

Um, reality check needed. The government hasn't been involved in AT&T's business, hasn't been overseeing their metrics and yet the costs HAVE gone up in the form of over-charges and outright lies that ARE ALREADY passed on to the consumer.

SHEESH! You anti-government types will NEVER get it!

Fighterpilot

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Saint Louis, MO

Re: Perfect Role for Government

Govt hasn't been involved? Hahahhahah sure they're not. Why give AT&T more excuses to add to the bill, if as you state, they're already doing that?

Go start your own phone company if you don't like theirs.
PhotoDLG

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Dayton, OH

Re: Perfect Role for Government

As usual, someone who doesn't know the history of the telecommunications industry. It was government, federal, state and local that paved the way for telcos to string up their lines by way of rules, regulations, bills and, oh yes, public tax money. AT&T didn't do it without our help. Start my own phone company? WE, the taxpaying citizens, already did!

You as much admit that AT&T has had NO interference from government by not even addressing the point I made. Your response: "well, let's not give government a chance to raise rates even more" is quite telling and very typical.

Fighterpilot

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

You don't think if the govt comes in and tells ATT to make sure their meters are right ATT isn't going to pass on the cost to do that to the consumer? What world do you live in where companies just absorb federally mandated rules that cost them money? In the end it's just your word against ATT's meter and their meter is the one doing the billing. So until you start your own telco you're at their mercy. Deal with it or move on to another telco but either way if people say 'get the govt involved' you'll be paying for that involvement in the end. To think that won't be the case shows a lack of understanding how govt uses companies as the heavy against the public.
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PhotoDLG

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

You still haven't denied or disproved that AT&T has raised rates capriciously WITHOUT the government looking over their shoulder!

Since my reading comprehension is apparently better than yours I will answer your question. Since they already have meters and it is their responsibility to make sure they are accurately charging their customers, yes. I do believe the government can make sure they are accurately charging their customers. If they are found to be gouging their customers through the use of inaccurate meters, what doesn't hurt them by way of class action will hurt through the use of fines and threat of REREGULATION! They could be ordered to submit to closer scrutiny for ANY AND ALL future rate increases and, dependent upon how friendly any given administration is to them, they may very well listen. Now do I think they will ind another reason to justify rate increases? We've already seen they do. But merely being to to accurately bill their customer using meters they already have should shouldn't cost any more than it does to INACCURATELY bill them!

Fighterpilot

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

Well we agree on your last sentence at least. It shouldn't cost them more to bill accurately or inaccurately with their current meters. But, It's their meter, ATT thinks they are accurate and are recording as such. No where I've heard/read does the govt mandate/regulate/approve/etc internet usage data meters or there's a consortium of providers and they've all agreed on the type of meter and where it's metering. This is all new. Until someone comes down and clarifies how the data should be measured and where it should be measured (i.e. a standard) ATT will have the final say. If ATTs saying here's how and where we measure data then we can at least set a baseline. Consumers can decide if they want to stay w/ ATT or not once that information is known. Hell, they can decide now just based on the fact there's going to be a meter.

Who's saying the meter is inaccurate BTW? ATT, the govt, some third party, or some group of users? It's a he said/she said at best here until more is known.

Will ATT find some reason to raise rates? Of course, all companies do. As consumers if we don't like it we can just move on. Broadband is not a right and a lot of companies offer it. What I don't want happening, back to my original statement, is the govt coming into ALL companies and saying put the meter here and meter this. When that happens costs for ALL consumers will rise.
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annonymisss

@comcast.net
Uh, not really. You don't know telcom history either it seems.

The government STOPPED small telcom companies early on because they didn't want a mass of wires strung all over the place.

That and they also didn't want these small telcoms to only wire up say NY NY, and Chicago and forget every other small town.

Every bad thing that people always point to business and say "see, big business is EVIL" usually is caused by the stick their finger in it government that wants to run your life.

And you guys keep voting them in and letting them run more and more of your life.

Now you're going to let them tell you what doctor to see, and they will have the right to see what's wrong with you, and I bet they end up passing it along to insurance companies that won't give you life insurance because of some ailment the should be private and between you and your doctor.

Have fun in your nanny state guys.
PhotoDLG

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

Uh, actually I know it better than you do. The government didn't stop anything, it was the larger telcos that lobbied the government to erect barriers of entry to the smaller companies, mainly by charging outrageous fees for the smaller companies to use lines already in existence. And don't bother with that B.S. about the lines belonging to the larger companies and said companies having the right to profit from their lines because, again, the larger companies owe their very existence to the taxpayers of this country who subsidized THEIR growth.

MCI, Qwest, Northern Telecom, Sprint, all from the much larger list of "smaller companies" you say the government stopped. Many of them you have probably never heard of because they don't exist now because of said practices or being bought up to eliminate competition. These companies had the effect of lowering telecommunications rates for a brief moment in time but you're obviously too young to know anything about real life.
If you stop listening to Rush/Beck/O'Reilly and actually do you own research you won't sound so uninformed when you hit the keys on your keyboard.

Go do some more research, get your facts straight and then come back and play!

Have fun letting the neocons lead you down a path to ruin!

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said by pnh102:

Looks like it is time for state and local governments to intervene, as they have the authority to verify any meter or scale used in a commercial transaction for accuracy. Even the federal government could get involved as this can be an interstate commerce issue.

If your electric company or water company attempted to overcharge you based on an inaccurate meter, they would be in some trouble.

While I agree with you about objective measurement of usage, you have to remember that the electric company and water company are (for the most part) complete monopolies. They can bill accurately and just raise rates as needed to meet costs and they don't need to lobby much to do so. Telcos are (so far) incomplete monopolies, so they have much more lobbying to do to get their way. Spending millions on lobbying as they do pretty much guarantees that the government will be reluctant to measure objectively, and will be more inclined to "study" and finally give contracts to telcos to come up with 'accurate' measuring tools.

Metered billing is a huge money grab, and huge money will be spent defending it.

pnh102
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Re: Perfect Role for Government

said by fatness:

While I agree with you about objective measurement of usage, you have to remember that the electric company and water company are (for the most part) complete monopolies.

True, but gas stations, grocery stores and other stores that are not monopolies which use scales, meters or other measurements as part of commercial transactions are required by states to be accurate. I see no reason why AT&T should be exempt from this.
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PhotoDLG

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Judging by your tagline on "net neutrality zealots" I would guess that your political leanings are to the right (or "centrist" when convenient) and possibly a tea party supporter. But yet, when it PERSONALLY affects you, you want the government to step in and help. This is typical of most 'conservatives'.

Yet government has, thus far, kept its hands off ISP's and, like most conservatives want, have been left to 'settle the market themselves' and now you're surprised that big business (in this case, AT&T) is RAPING its customers???? Whatever!

Airline travel, telecommunications, oil and energy, banking and finance: all mostly deregulated to the point of NO REGULATION or anyone watching (caring?) and look at the mess they are all in and have caused consumers. Yeah, this less government thing is really working.

Do yourself a favor and GOOGLE/BING/YAHOO how GE is effectively paying NO U.S. taxes. You know that argument conservatives like to trot out? Cut taxes and regulations and corporations will start to hire again? Bullsh*t! GE is REDUCING its U.S. workforce on a REGULAR basis.

If conservatives don't wake up there won't be USA, home of the free, land of the brave to get an erection for!

pnh102
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Re: Perfect Role for Government

said by PhotoDLG:

Judging by your tagline on "net neutrality zealots" I would guess that your political leanings are to the right (or "centrist" when convenient) and possibly a tea party supporter. But yet, when it PERSONALLY affects you, you want the government to step in and help. This is typical of most 'conservatives'.

Well, the truth is the truth. The net neutrality movement was the catalyst that started these caps on service. Perhaps had you people not whined about how ISPs manage traffic on their networks, caps would have been avoided.

So since you clearly disagree with my position, do you stand with AT&T's use of inaccurate meters to impose unfair overages on customers who didn't merit them? Do you support gas stations short-changing customers as well? Do you have no problem with paying for 100 kWh of electricity but only getting 70?
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PhotoDLG

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Re: Perfect Role for Government

I absolutely DO NOT stand with AT&T but there needs to be a "FAIR AND BALANCED" check to big business. I can't do it alone and neither can you. THAT is what government is: a group of little people (you, me and others) forming a large enough entity to look out for the interests of the common man.

Because politics are local, I won't always see why your town needs another bridge and you won't see why my town needs another toll road both paid for with government funds BUT everyone shares in the doings of the pool whether they directly affect you today or not.

Also, the ISP's were doing this long before the issue of "net-neutrality" arose, or do you not remember the days of dial-up when a person would be kicked offline and have difficulty re-establishing a connection because the ISP felt they were a "bandwidth hog"? This practice continued with DSL and it's continuing now. So no, we 'whiners' DID NOT bring about caps. They've always been there, or do you really believe "unlimited internet" is really "unlimited"?

One other thing: "their network" is hooked into YOUR radio spectrum. The government auctioned the rights to build out THEIR network on YOUR spectrum because conservatives would have had a field day talking about the waste money being spent to build this network from coast-to-coast using public funds, kind of like they are raising hell now over President Obama's desire build an even faster and better nationwide telecommunications network available to ALL citizens at a fair price. If he gets his way, guess who will eventually end up as the gatekeepers of this network? Do you really think they won't jack up prices to manage it too?

The sensible person knows that one day they may/will need assistance in some form from someone bigger than his or her self and I'd like to think that is the function of government; not just rubber-stamping the needs of big business.

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said by pnh102:

Looks like it is time for state and local governments to intervene

Good news! Apparently Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker agrees with you, because he just hired AT&T water boy Phil Montgomery to head the state public service commission. I'm sure we can all relax and go back to our netflix now.

Thanks for voting for Scott Walker, everybody!

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elios

join:2005-11-15
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my thought has always been if they want to meter it
then it needs to be treated just like any other utility if AT&T doesnt like it then stop metering or deal

Uncle Paul

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If their DSL Meter is wrong

I wonder how good their capped wireless meter is.
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Re: If their DSL Meter is wrong

said by Uncle Paul:

I wonder how good their capped wireless meter is.

The accuracy of an ISP's usage meter is inversely proportional to the size of said cap.

morbo
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Excellent point. Considering how expensive wireless overages are, we need data on this for evidence for the trial.

chucky5150
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Why

Why is it so hard to get an accurate usage reading?

a bit is a bit is a bit, right?

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lkrupp

join:2001-07-14
Collinsville, IL

Class action soon to follow...

No doubt there will be some sort of class action lawsuit over this IF it can be proven that AT&T can't provide accurate usage data.
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Re: Class action soon to follow...

said by lkrupp:

No doubt there will be some sort of class action lawsuit over this IF it can be proven that AT&T can't provide accurate usage data.

You'll never get access to AT&T's data because they probably keep the byte counters in the same rooms the NSA uses at AT&T facilities.

You see it's in the national interest to have customers pay and pay until it hurts....just in the same way it's in the national interest for the NSA to scoop up every bit of correspondence (voice, text, pictures) you have and log all the web sites and searches you make.

Baconbitswi

@sbcglobal.net
Except for the fact that AT&T changed their terms to state that their customers will not follow a Class Action suit, and all disagreements will be done by arbitration. Alas, the only way out, is to lose their service.

"Notwithstanding the foregoing, either party may bring an individual action in small claims court. YOU AGREE THAT, BY ENTERING INTO THIS AGREEMENT, YOU AND AT&T ARE EACH WAIVING THE RIGHT TO A TRIAL BY JURY AND TO PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION WITH RESPECT TO ARBITRATION CLAIMS. This Agreement evidences a transaction in interstate commerce, and thus the Federal Arbitration Act governs the interpretation and enforcement of this provision. This arbitration provision shall survive termination of this Agreement."
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Guess I am OK

Here's the message I get for one of my business accounts...

AT&T is not able to capture usage data on all of its customers. Customers whose usage is not available for viewing should not be concerned about their usage patterns for billing purposes.

To learn more about how to manage your usage, please visit www.att.com/internet-usage
chris_dfw

join:2001-07-18
Dallas, TX

Re: Guess I am OK

This has been covered before they are including PPOE 20% overhead in the totals. They are just asking for a lawsuit
eagle2a

join:2001-08-28
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Re: Guess I am OK

The best answer is the one I have chosen.

I have been a AT@T DSL user for about 10 years are so, (ever since they came to town). I am moving to Cox HSI. 4X the speed and 50 GB more content allowed before cap is instituted (200 GB).

Also my speeds are consistent at all times of day!! AT&T (because of U-Verse?) dropped from 5 Mbps to about 2.5 to 3 Mbps after 6PM a lot of the time, especially on week ends. I now get 14.4 Mbps all the time.

Cost increase $13.00 after six mo at half price ($24.00).

Seems good to me!

Thank you AT@T for waking me up.

mareastrum

join:2006-09-10
Saint Louis, MO
I don't care. If AT&T wants to threaten its' customers with caps, then it should be prepared to present usage for everyone, not just those who are heavy users. We have a right to know how much we use in any given month. If they "can't capture usage data on all of its' customers" then it's clear sign they don't have the ability to do it properly to begin with.

Which is why all the computers in my house have NetMeter running. I can't run anything on the Wii, so I have to guess how much we use for Netflix (which hasn't been a lot lately since the husband got seasons one and two or ReBoot).
amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
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·AT&T DSL Service

Nice writeup

Props for the good writeup and the very in-depth detail.

Should I move and find DSL my only option, or decide to give it a try, I will also be buying a UPS for my modem/router (Tomato seems to "forget" stats when it loses power). Does DD-WRT "remember" usage stats after loss of power?

On the point of the cap itself, 150GB/mo doesn't seem like a very fair amount of use to start out with. Maybe for 1.5Mbps service, but even then it'd be quite easy to surpass this amount without much effort.

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Ncrdrg4

join:2011-01-25
Brossard, QC

Watching the usage with our own equipment is key

I have to agree. Having your own router keeping watch on your bandwidth usage is the best solution so you can challenge them on their crap. I ended up buying the WNDR3700 from Netgear.

Most of the errors in Canada are because they don't provide live access to the data, it's only updated a few times per day, which in turn causes some days to be overcharged and some days to be overcharged.

I had to call my ISP (Vidéotron) when they overcharged my first day of the month by 20GB because I was using my remaining cap on downloads on my last day of the month.

I had no idea the usage levels they show weren't reliable at all before I started monitoring it on my own. Moreover, they purposely don't advertise the feature so most people don't know how to watch their current usage unless they ask.
tivoboy

join:2004-05-10
Menlo Park, CA

where meter

Where can one find what AT&T thinks that their usage is? I haven't seen any website that details this. I use a router that has tomato, which also tracks usage and stores it on my local NAS. I don't use more than about 100GB on a monthly basis, wonder what AT&T thinks I use.
tivoboy

join:2004-05-10
Menlo Park, CA

Re: where meter

I recently tried to login to my AT&T account and see their usage meter. I got a popup that said "for some AT&T customers AT&T cannot track their usage, so you don't need to worry about bandwidth caps"

literally, THAT is what the message said.

wizkid6

join:2002-03-31
Opelika, AL

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They're right...if you round up

If you add the individual numbers up, there's a discrepancy. But if you look in your contract, it'll will say (rightly) that they round up all numbers. So if your usage is 20.1GB, they would round it up to 21GB. The state of Alabama does the same thing.

And if you look at the usage stats page after logging in, it clearly says:

quote:
Note: The Total GB shown below is rounded up to the next whole GB.


Whether or not that's a rip-off is debatable...but is it fair? I think so. They're just using the same sort of math the fed uses to calculate taxes!


morbo
Complete Your Transaction

join:2002-01-22
00000

Re: They're right...if you round up

Rounding up to the byte is fine, but there's no reason to round up to the gigabyte. That's a sign of laziness, incompetence, or greed.
chuckkk

join:2001-11-10
Warner Robins, GA

Re: They're right...if you round up

If they round up each call you make to the next minute, and you make brief calls, the error % is greatly in their favor. Why should you think that they would treat a DSL connection any differently?

johnljpljplj

@comcast.net

Did anybody try to make AT&T accountable?

So has anybody confronted AT&T, and kept a written or voice recorded record of such a confrontation? I would like to read or hear that.

One can not depend on the goverment to be accountable. We have to do it ourselves. I do, when it is an issue that I understand. This would be a little too technical for me. However, I could link to such information.

»inappreciationofhowardbeale.blogspot.com/

formercomcst

@bellsouth.net

Also

I remember when Comcast started touting their 250gb cap, that users were typically in the 2-4 gig range, NOT 18 gig. Why such a discrepancy there?

Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
Reviews:
·CenturyLink

D-Link DIR-655

Can I log my monthly usage with my D-Link DIR-655. I have never done this on a continous basis. I do a lot of streaming video and the bittorent of TV documenties from the UK. I suppose I should keep up with what I am using each month.
It has never been a issue with Qwest but who knows in the future.
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hoyleysox

join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA

Does incoming ICMP traffic count against the cap?

If yes, AT&T or competitors could just run continuous pings on AT&T customers to drive up their bills.

Next step: Criminalize ICMP as fraud.

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service

Re: Does incoming ICMP traffic count against the cap?

Unwanted ads: Fraud
Updates to software: Defective or flawed software in the first place, they should be liable for costs
Port-Scans, etc etc = fraud

It goes on and on. UBB is opening up a whole case of Pandora's boxes.
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caesarv

join:1999-08-02
Santa Rosa, CA

No more ATT for me!

With enough complaints, lawsuits, and bad PR, maybe they will just give up on the whole thing and eliminate usage based billing???? Or is this just wishful thinking? Seems to me it would be much easier to just throttle those 1% of customer that use excessive amounts back to 768k once they have reached their limit.

I am very thankful to be completely rid of ATT...even for POTS. I use Sonic.Net. Neither Sonic nor I care about my bandwidth usage!

»corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/03/23/dr···he-caps/

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4

Re: No more ATT for me!

said by caesarv:

Neither Sonic nor I care about my bandwidth usage!

Because sonic doesn't have LUCRATIVE VIDEO business to protect.
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maartena
Elmo
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse

Utility?

A state and/or county official randomly and regularly checks whether gas, water, and electricity meters are accurate. They usually do this by taking a batch of say 1000 new meters that are going to be installed in the next months, and test them. If they pass the test, all the meters of that particular type can carry a state seal that they are accurate. If only 1 of them fails, it is enough reason to do a lot more testing.... after all this meter could be installed on a million homes over the next 5-10 years, and if you have a thousand meters that are inaccurate, you have a problem.

I have NO ONE to go to if I want to contest an inaccuracy on my Internet connection. Sure, I can add another router and run DD-WRT (I have 2 of those lying around anyways), but in the end it will still be my word against that of AT&T. (Or, any other provider for that matter).

Providers of any kind, whether it is data, cell-phone data, minutes, or anything else that is charged by use, should be subject to some sort of 3d party oversight to ensure the meters they use are accurate.

Back in the day, when they couldn't accurately measure how much gas and water each house used, people would still pay a flat rate for gas and water. Some areas still paid flat rate gas and water up until the 70ies. But everyone was right on top of it when it came to making sure it meters were accurate, and that customers were not billed incorrectly.

In this century..... senators and representatives are sitting still. Preoccupied with trying to kill or save Obamacare, and blaming the other party for what went wrong, they seem to have forgotten about the small things.... like this one. Yeah it's a small issue in the big scheme of things, but I will vote for the first politician - Republican or Democrat - who pledges to take on Big ISP, and secure net neutrality among other things.
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IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1

All is clear now...

Caps were never about addressing congestion. AT&T, Comcast, and others already have congestion management systems for that.

This is about monetization and preventing cord cutters, pure and simple.

Like I've always said, AT&T has never done anything to save anyone money.
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moko

join:2002-12-22
Fayetteville, GA

my opinion

att can go to hell.....well i dont want them personally to go to hell.....but their overage caps sure as hell can : )

S_engineer
Premium
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL

Re: my opinion

they can only go so far in hell. Satan is now implemented depth caps for AT&Ts executives and management. Overages will be paid in the form of an eternity of listening to Justin Beiber!
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chazpaw
Premium
join:2007-03-28
Terrell, TX

Re: my opinion

+1
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Sometimes I wonder...

What would happen if some genius figured out a way to subvert the Internet by allowing all of our wireless routers to connect and create a "supernet" (or subnet). I know there are all kinds of problems with bandwidth and getting sites connected to this new network but it just seems that no matter how many laws exist and regulations are passed, greed always seems to drive one party to take to take more than their fair share. In the infamous words of President Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks, "Why can't we all just get along!".

pjcamp

@spelman.edu

I have a better solution

Comcast business.

toj03

@comcast.net

Re: I have a better solution

Here how about an even better solution

1. How about no caps in the first place so we wouldn't even be fretting over this
2. regulate the S*IT out of these companies
3. get regulators with ballz

these things will probably never happen but it's worth a shot

AVD
Respice, Adspice, Prospice
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ

probably

a) rounding errors, and
b) OP router and ATT are on different clocks accounting for the daily discrepancy. (at least the download, the UL is consistently over which is not indicative of a a time sync problem)
c) some traffic is not going over your router, but still being counted. (arp, icmp or something else that your router is dropping)
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cooldude9919

join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
kudos:5

Re: probably

said by AVD:

a) rounding errors, and
b) OP router and ATT are on different clocks accounting for the daily discrepancy. (at least the download, the UL is consistently over which is not indicative of a a time sync problem)
c) some traffic is not going over your router, but still being counted. (arp, icmp or something else that your router is dropping)

None of those things would make up such a big difference.
A)Wouldnt make up such a big difference, 1% at most
B) Monthly amounts should still match up then, they dont
c) Wouldnt make up such a big difference, unless you are geing ddos'd or something.

maartena
Elmo
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
said by AVD:

a) rounding errors, and
b) OP router and ATT are on different clocks accounting for the daily discrepancy. (at least the download, the UL is consistently over which is not indicative of a a time sync problem)
c) some traffic is not going over your router, but still being counted. (arp, icmp or something else that your router is dropping)

If, over a 100 Gb measuring, the difference is 1 Gb - or basically 1% - I would agree with you. There might be some rounding differences, there IS traffic (PPPoE overhead etc) that doesn't get counted by a router behind the modem.... but all of that should be no more then a 1% difference.

People here are talking about a difference of as much as 18 Gb on less then 150 Gb measured. That is no longer a "rounding error", or simply arp/pppoe traffic, or a difference in time.
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