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how about the Southern Tier region of New York State(aka Binghamton) Hint hint Verizon
Time Warner is crying sour grapes here. What do they care about the franchise fee when they pass 100% of it along to their customers? They just don't want to deal with a real competitor. | |
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Re: how about the Southern Tier region of New York StateAnd TWC is free to enjoy these new franchise conditions when it comes time to renegotiate their agreements. | |
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How about the rest of Southern Dutchess County aka Beacon NY?C'mon Verizon people are chomping at the bit to get FIOS in ALL of Southern Dutchess.. not just Wappingers and Fishkill!! You have most of the fiber in already.. GET ON IT !! There is money to be made!! | |
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Re: How about the rest of Southern Dutchess County aka Beacon NYyeah, ive had fios internet and phone in beacon for over a year but still no tv. | |
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Re: how about the Southern Tier region of New York StateYes yes agree 100 percent TW doesnt want any competition around them so they can continue to provide its customers with 1997 technology. | |
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said by Crookshanks:(aka Binghamton) Hint hint Verizon
Time Warner is crying sour grapes here. What do they care about the franchise fee when they pass 100% of it along to their customers? They just don't want to deal with a real competitor.
Don't you think they care because it's a fee that makes their service appear that much more than FiOS? That is a fee they could remove from customer's bills because they would no longer have to pay it, so neither would the customers. Really, that wasn't at all hard to come up with. | |
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2011-Apr-6 7:36 pm
Re: how about the Southern Tier region of New York StateWhen cable companies pay the same taxes and fees for their voice service as the telcos, then I'll agree that the telcos should pay the same fees on the video service as the cablecos, especially considering Verizon is no longer the incumbent in some towns where the cable company has more voice subscribers. The same argument that is made against Verizon and other telcos, can be made against the cablecos as well. | |
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Re: how about the Southern Tier region of New York Statesaid by anonanon :When cable companies pay the same taxes and fees for their voice service as the telcos, then I'll agree that the telcos should pay the same fees on the video service as the cablecos, especially considering Verizon is no longer the incumbent in some towns where the cable company has more voice subscribers. The same argument that is made against Verizon and other telcos, can be made against the cablecos as well.
As I have not seen a Verizon bill in some time, could you (or someone else) please clarify what additional fees and taxes an ILEC has to charge to provide phone service? --
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2011-Apr-6 1:51 pm
Here is what the bitching is about...VZ Has no chance in expanding into Albany (city) TW pays too much money to the cities to keep competition out.
This is the last year for 3 of those contracts and next year will be the last year for Albany and Schenectady County suburbs.
These are cherry picked suburbs, actually Bethlehem was one of the first to get FIOS in the country, and TV has been on hold because TW sinks money into this area like crazy. This place is a goldmine for cable and internet providers.
The suburbs are early adopters and because of the high tech and public sectors have good wages. The city of Albany is essentially university employees, medical, state employees, and 30K+ college students all of whom are required to at least have internet. The ghetto parts like their cable and internet as well, but I do not know the uptake.
VZ has wired every area around Albany and has been undercutting TW for a few years, and competition is getting fierce.
My brother just got his own place and TW internet which is 25/2 for a year at $33/month. I have RR as well and I get extreme at the price of regular. DOCSIS 3.0 is being set up, I get 30-35 down and sometimes as much as 5 up. Yesterday I got a mailing that I could get RR, DVR, HD, and digital Cable added for a total price of $69/month with their regular special being only $79/month. No caps either, I download a lot and watch Netflix almost every day, I dont have (or want) cable TV.
Something has been going down in this area for a while now with me getting mailings from VZ and TW and prices just dropping. I still doubt we will see fiber in the city, but VZ has been drooling over that prospect for a bit.
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2011-Apr-6 2:10 pm
Re: Here is what the bitching is about...said by chlen:VZ Has no chance in expanding into Albany (city) TW pays too much money to the cities to keep competition out.
This is the last year for 3 of those contracts and next year will be the last year for Albany and Schenectady County suburbs.
These are cherry picked suburbs, actually Bethlehem was one of the first to get FIOS in the country, and TV has been on hold because TW sinks money into this area like crazy. This place is a goldmine for cable and internet providers.
The suburbs are early adopters and because of the high tech and public sectors have good wages. The city of Albany is essentially university employees, medical, state employees, and 30K+ college students all of whom are required to at least have internet. The ghetto parts like their cable and internet as well, but I do not know the uptake.
VZ has wired every area around Albany and has been undercutting TW for a few years, and competition is getting fierce.
The only problem with your assessment - you could have (and many did) say the exact same thing about Philly. Comcast would never let Vz into Philly (their own back yard!), and they would use all their political might to prevent it... that there was no money to be made in Philly and Vz just wanted the suburbs... yadda, yadda, yadda... That thinking turned out to be wrong. Everything you're saying about TWC and Albany could have been directly applied to Comcast and Philly. | |
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2011-Apr-6 2:27 pm
Re: Here is what the bitching is about...said by JPL:said by chlen:VZ Has no chance in expanding into Albany (city) TW pays too much money to the cities to keep competition out.
This is the last year for 3 of those contracts and next year will be the last year for Albany and Schenectady County suburbs.
These are cherry picked suburbs, actually Bethlehem was one of the first to get FIOS in the country, and TV has been on hold because TW sinks money into this area like crazy. This place is a goldmine for cable and internet providers.
The suburbs are early adopters and because of the high tech and public sectors have good wages. The city of Albany is essentially university employees, medical, state employees, and 30K+ college students all of whom are required to at least have internet. The ghetto parts like their cable and internet as well, but I do not know the uptake.
VZ has wired every area around Albany and has been undercutting TW for a few years, and competition is getting fierce.
The only problem with your assessment - you could have (and many did) say the exact same thing about Philly. Comcast would never let Vz into Philly (their own back yard!), and they would use all their political might to prevent it... that there was no money to be made in Philly and Vz just wanted the suburbs... yadda, yadda, yadda... That thinking turned out to be wrong. Everything you're saying about TWC and Albany could have been directly applied to Comcast and Philly. Not saying it cant. TW has just owned the show for so long and Philly is not Albany. Albany is 95K residents with 600-900K people spread out across 3 or 4 counties, mainly Albany, Schenectady, Rensselaer and Saratoga all within 20 minutes end to end. They all have their own agreements and are compensated very well by TW. TW feels like they should not have to pay what the cities want, like they should get special treatment and they do, but at the same time VZ is wondering why they are being raped on the charges when TW has not even had to renegotiate contracts some of which are from the early 90s! There are city and technology agreements that make Albany, Syracuse, and Rochester suburbs often the first to get any kind of new technology even though there is not that much population. The uptake is high and cities are flexible to the corporations. So it is not just Albany, but can be Philly, I just dont know, I dont know the way Comcast operates. I can say that TW in other parts of the country operates differently than in my area. VZ knows there is plenty of money to be made, but TW feels like they own this are. They have been offering RR since 1997, most people here dont even know of a different option, they are a major employer, donor for charity, and civic player. I'm not making a case for TW, I want to see VZ offer TV, they already offer FIOS and phone. --
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Re: Here is what the bitching is about...said by chlen:They all have their own agreements and are compensated very well by TW customers Fixed that for you. In the end TW isn't paying a dime in franchise fees to any of these municipalities. | |
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2011-Apr-6 3:15 pm
Re: Here is what the bitching is about...No, TW isn't paying a dime of the franchise fees. But it is still a line item on the bill that makes their service appear to cost more than FiOS.
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Re: Here is what the bitching is about...Why should people have to pay the fee at all? Why should a business have to negotiate a "franchise" with the local extortionist, err I mean Government for the privilege of doing business? Everybody here bemoans the lack of competition -- do you think this artificial barrier to entry might have a little something to do with that?
To answer your question, in the ideal world they shouldn't have to pay a different fee. That doesn't change the fact that Time Warner is only complaining about this because they hate the prospect of having to compete for customers though.
I haven't had cable in a long time but as I recall the franchise fee was less than $1. Even if Verizon is only paying 10% of that I rather doubt it amounts to enough savings to encourage people to switch. Is Verizon using the lower franchise fee in their marketing material against Time Warner? I rather doubt it. They sell FIOS on the basis of it being a superior product. I've never heard them make any sort of comment about the franchise fee. | |
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We have Time Warner Cable here and have toyed on and off with cutting cable or moving to an alternative service (Dish network, DirecTV, etc). If FIOS TV came here, we'd definitely consider them, but I don't think we'll have that option anytime soon.
Meanwhile, where Internet is concerned, our choices are Time Warner Cable Internet or nothing else. Verizon's web site even tells me that DSL isn't available at my house. No competition at all for Internet service.
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said by chlen:I download a lot and watch Netflix almost every day, I dont have (or want) cable TV. Thats not something either company wants to hear because VIDEO is where the insane profits are! --
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Re: Here is what the bitching is about...said by dvd536:said by chlen:I download a lot and watch Netflix almost every day, I dont have (or want) cable TV. Thats not something either company wants to hear because VIDEO is where the insane profits are! well then offer me something I can watch...because I want to punch everyone who watches reality tv in the face. --
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Not really an expansion, as expectedThis is simply FiOS completing the buildout they started. I believe they are still on the freeze as they were before, in that no new areas are being built out with anything FiOS. | |
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Re: Not really an expansion, as expectedRight, there is a lot to build out in cities like New York, Philly., DC & Pittsburgh where they have video franchise agreements. The others are gonna have to wait an awful long time to see FTTP. | |
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2011-Apr-6 2:18 pm
FIOS TV Expands Deeper Into NY StateOK, someone here has to make the first step.
How , OH HOW can we discuss "expanding deeper" without talking about market penetration?
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2011-Apr-6 3:07 pm
TWC compressed TVTime warner crying because they don't want to spend money upgrading their system. I live I NYC, sure they have over 150+ HD channels, but all those channels are getting extra compressed by them in a 3/1 QAM ratio. Those channels look average. They removed 95 % of analog channels plus launched SDV, but to add more crap instead of quality. If they think that they will survive with a 1990s technology they are mistaken. | |
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How about finishing up PennsylvaniaDidn't PA give Verizon all kinds of tax breaks to wire up PA with fiber? Well were all sick and tired of seeing the FIOS commercials on TV for a service that no one can get.
Verizon is a joke. If they are going to advertise their service, then stinking deploy their service. They really piss me off to no end. The running joke at work is that "Fios is a service nobody can get". It's fiction. | |
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2011-Apr-6 4:45 pm
TW sucksTime Warner pays subcontractors minimum wage. Verizon pays it's workers a good wage. My vote goes to Verizon when they pass my house. | |
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Re: How about finishing up Pennsylvaniasaid by cypherstream:Didn't PA give Verizon all kinds of tax breaks to wire up PA with fiber? Well were all sick and tired of seeing the FIOS commercials on TV for a service that no one can get.
Verizon is a joke. If they are going to advertise their service, then stinking deploy their service. They really piss me off to no end. The running joke at work is that "Fios is a service nobody can get". It's fiction.
I hear you... I live in the Poconos, and I would kill for FIOS. I am so sick of Prolog and Blue Ridge Cable. They jack prices up every year, and every year my caps get lower. But you know what pisses me off even more? It's when Verizon calls me up, and tries to sell me their pokey DSL. I'm not a genius, but to listen to some Verizo-tard trying to convince me that their 1.5 Mbps DSL is just as fast as my 15 Mbps cable is just *priceless*. Where do they get these people? LOL | |
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SyracuseI think the same thing is going on here. While Syracuse has Verizon's phone service I've been told the city itself does not have all of the same FiOS services some of the suburbs has. And people wonder there is so much animosity toward Time Warner.
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FIOS is needed in the PoconosI wish they would expand here in the Poconos, tv or no tv. I just want a fast, unlimited pipe.
I would sign up for FIOS in a heartbeat. They have it in Allentown, and the Scranton area, but we're stuck in the middle here with pokey, slow DSL or overpriced, low capped cable. :-( | |
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2011-Apr-6 7:49 pm
Re: FIOS is needed in the PoconosFiOS is available in Scranton? Where? | |
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Re: FIOS is needed in the Poconossaid by ssavoy:FiOS is available in Scranton? Where?
I was told by a friend who lived in Wilkes-Barre that it was available *somewhere* in that area... I don't remember exactly where he said, and I can't ask him. Unfortunately he was killed in a car accident in November. | |
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2011-Apr-6 9:28 pm
Re: FIOS is needed in the Poconosthere is no fios in the scranton wilkes barre area. not yet. | |
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Time Warner doesn't know how to negotiate.When a CATV franchise agreement is negotiated there is usually a clause that if another company gets more favorable conditions they must also be applied to the agreement with the original company. | |
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2011-Apr-7 8:50 pm
Lower Saratoga CountyI was thinking the same thing, that Verizon would be foolish not to consider expanding into Malta for the AMD plant. Then I heard that Tech Valley Communications was expanding their footprint North possibly to Saratoga and Glens Falls. If that is true, it won't help me much as they only provide services to businesses. Hmm, I wonder how much it cost to create a shell business. | |
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2011-Apr-8 11:14 am
What about finishing NJ. They did half the job and left.FINISH NJ FIRST! We got screwed and stuck with either dsl or change to $$$$ comcast/xfinity whatever. Gee Thanks. | |
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2011-Apr-8 11:53 am
Sullivan County is SOLTotally screwed by TWC here in lower Sullivan County NY, there is no existing VZ footprint where I live (Frontier is the tel company for landlines) so VZ is never going to be allowed here. Consequently I have to pay 117.00 a month for 10M down 500kps up and basic digital TV... --
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We finally got FiOS TVAfter having FiOS Internet here in Bethlehem for the last 5 or 6 years, it was great to finally be able to get FiOS TV. I attended the town board meeting when they voted on allowing VZ to offer FiOS TV and it sounds like VZ has it's hands full just rolling out the fiber.
We are at 65% coverage and VZ produced a scheduled that took 60 months to go from 65% to 100% coverage. That's a long time to complete the roll out. I think that's the only reason they are not targeted the city of Albany. They are going after the low hanging fruits, the towns that were already wired for FiOS Internet. | |
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