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Where do those DSL subs goSince Verizon hasn't rolled out FiOS to all of its areas, the DSL subs are likely going to competitors. | |
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Re: Where do those DSL subs goKarl did suggest cable triple play offerings  | |
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shrinking footprintSo basically what is happening is Verizon is slowly but surely moving towards getting out of the landline/DSL business. The company in the future will only be providing Cellphone/Wireless service and FIOS, however the FIOS offerings will only be available to a small percentage of their old landline footprint. Basically surrendering those Non-FIOS areas to the cable companies. | |
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Re: shrinking footprintsaid by wdoa:So basically what is happening is Verizon is slowly but surely moving towards getting out of the landline/DSL business. The company in the future will only be providing Cellphone/Wireless service and FIOS, however the FIOS offerings will only be available to a small percentage of their old landline footprint. Basically surrendering those Non-FIOS areas to the cable companies.
And poorly run companies like Frontier. | |
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said by wdoa:Basically surrendering those Non-FIOS areas to the cable companies. Or pick up its FTTH build once TV take rates are sufficient. Or, sell of the remaining unwanted markets to even more streamline its business. | |
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That's what it sounds like.
My guess is the goal is to spin off the copper plants in low population density areas, and concentrate on the areas they can make a buck off installing running Fios.
With the maintenance costs and regulatory issues that come with running a ILEC, I can't say I blame them. There's no real money to be made running an ILEC copper plant any more. Verizon can't complete with cable operators in semi rural areas given the limitations of DSL. Kind of a "strategic withdrawal" if you will....
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said by wdoa:The company in the future will only be providing Cellphone/Wireless service and FIOS, however the FIOS offerings will only be available to a small percentage of their old landline footprint.
It may be a small percentage geographically but by the time they finish putting FiOS in the large cities such as Philadelphia and New York City it will be where about 25% of the population of their former footprint lives. | |
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2011-Apr-21 3:03 pm
Re: shrinking footprintNo, it's already well over 25% even before finishing NYC and Philly. » Verizon Adds 197,000 FiOS Users In Q4"As of the end of 2010, FiOS passes 15.6 million homes, or about 60% of Verizon's network footprint after the Frontier deal." | |
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Verion LTE will catch a lot of "rest"Essentially they won't loose all towards cable companies. I think their prime focus now is LTE + FiOS.
FiOS will be surely in very small footprint but LTE coverage will be quite high and considering real world speeds of 8-10Mbps on LTE, it makes it a good alternate of DSL in low demand areas.
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2011-Apr-21 11:05 am
Shouldn't have stopped buildoutsUnfortunatley for VZ they're going to continue to lose copper customers. Yes FiOS was an expensive investment but it seems to be paying off, after all the most expensive parts were the data centers and VHOs, they should keep on building out to keep up the pressure on the cable companies and prevent copper losses from being total losses. | |
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Re: Shouldn't have stopped buildoutsBut could they pay for Fios and upgrades to LTE at the same time??
Since Vodafone has a large interest in VZ Wireless, maybe LTE was moved to the forefront at their behest. | |
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Re: Shouldn't have stopped buildoutssaid by FloridaBoy:But could they pay for Fios and upgrades to LTE at the same time??
Since Vodafone has a large interest in VZ Wireless, maybe LTE was moved to the forefront at their behest.
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Re: Shouldn't have stopped buildoutsVerizon is basically the internet in the US as they are the largest teir one provider and all cell towers are interconnected with fiber today. Expanding FIOS has nothing to due with the wireless side of the business | |
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Re: Shouldn't have stopped buildoutssaid by guppy_fish:and all cell towers are interconnected with fiber today. No they aren't. In rural areas towers are lucky to have a copper T1 or Microwave connection. No one is going to run a brand new fiber line to rural cell tower 100 miles from the closest city. | |
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Just because VZ doesn't invest heavily to provide an entire area with FIOS doesn't mean they won't be investing to upgrade towers lines for LTE. I guess it doesn't mean they will either, but VZ seems to be smart enough to know better. | |
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said by FloridaBoy:But could they pay for Fios and upgrades to LTE at the same time??
Since Vodafone has a large interest in VZ Wireless, maybe LTE was moved to the forefront at their behest.
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said by diz17:Unfortunatley for VZ they're going to continue to lose copper customers. Yes FiOS was an expensive investment but it seems to be paying off, after all the most expensive parts were the data centers and VHOs, they should keep on building out to keep up the pressure on the cable companies and prevent copper losses from being total losses.
While the Southern footprint of the US will not see new Verizon builds (99% certain), parts of NY (Upstate, North-Western NY) and NJ will see restored buildouts-- and on an "AS NEEDED" basis for PA (where Comcast gets off their ass and decides to compete with REAL BROADBAND) | |
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It is criminal they stopped their buildouts, and reduced their workforce by 16,000. I can understand doing the buildout with their existing workforce levels, but shrinking??
Any area that gave them a TV franchise based on their promise to buildout and cover the entire geography should pull it the second they do not meet the deadline. They have no excuse - they are printing money, and firing workers.
Everywhere else the pols should be screaming bloody murder. The lack of broadband competition is mostly Verizon's fault - they are supposed to be the alternative to Cable, and in many areas they have no broadband offering, or a really crappy DSL offering.
Maybe require them to provide 5/5 Verizon Wireless 4G LTE service with unlimited data usage for $50/mo where they don't have at least a 5/1 offering available?
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I remember when what is now Comcast first wire south philadelphia in PA - only 1/2 of area was wired if you lived on one side of Broad St you couldn't get you had to live west of broad st in order to get cable - it was a couple of years before all of the area was wired for cable so what makes Verizon so different in how they are wiring for Fios ? Just saying - no company moving into a new area is going to do the whole area at once - JMO
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Re: Shouldn't have stopped buildoutssaid by ggma1126:IJust saying - no company moving into a new area is going to do the whole area at once - JMO
Of course not, but they should be working on it. When they were given the franchise, it should have included a date by which they would be serving the entire area. All I'm saying is no extensions. Reducing their workforce by 16,000 and stopping the rollout is not "best efforts" on the buildout. --
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I'm in North Lindy and I have it, where are you? | |
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I live in a prosperous town in Monmouth County, New Jersey.
Verizon wired half the town for FiOS, then just left.
I am not a lover of Cablevision/Optimum, but at least THEY serve the whole town. Without them, I would not have broadband internet service at all.
We can't get Verizon DSL (HSI) either. Even though I am in the heart of town, near the town hall and post office, Verizon's "switch" is too far away.
It's just wrong of Verizon to apply for permission (franchises) to build FiOS in particular towns and cities, then get bored/tired after doing only a partial job, and quitting.
They just walked away, like Sarah Palin did from her job.
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Houses not in FiOS territory will also suffer decreased real estate value.
Already around here, realtors are advertising certain houses as being in FiOS areas. | |
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Re: Morally wrong.said by PX Eliezer70:Verizon wired half the town for FiOS, then just left.
They are having a hard time finding people to do the buildout. Oh wait - they reduced their workforce by 16,000 and there is high unemployment. Looks like they are just giving the finger to your town. They should take the TV franchise away from them if they don't meet their commitment on making TV available to the whole town - assuming your town had the sense to make that a requirement. My guess is Verizon spread a lot of money around and got sweetheart franchise deals from the politicians. --
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2011-Apr-21 3:51 pm
Bring fios to canada!In my dreams Canada would allow real competition and fios could easily gobble up consumers from bell/rogers/teksavvy in east Canada with ez. Canadian UBB makes fios far cheaper for a better service.... --
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New customers coming fromMost of those new customers are coming from Cablevision | |
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Re: New customers coming fromNope - CV continues to add high-speed internet customers. If Verizon is taking them from CV, CV is growing the broadband market, taking back FiOS customers, and taking DSL customers. | |
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The Copper PlantWorking in NYC, all I can say, that the amount of work in NY/NJ is not going anyway anytime soon. There's a back log of copper pots/dsl lines Installations out there, even where Fios is aviable. | |
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Re: The Copper Plantsaid by A VZ TECH :Working in NYC, all I can say, that the amount of work in NY/NJ is not going anyway anytime soon. There's a back log of copper pots/dsl lines Installations out there, even where Fios is aviable.
Of course not. With the workforce reduced by 16,000 they are ensuring that even with the reduced amount of work they will continue to have a long backlog and delayed installations - ensuring they live up to their notoriously-poor customer responsiveness. --
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How much tax does municipal FTTP pay?"The effective income tax rate attributable to Verizon for the first quarter was 30 percent." | |
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Re: How much tax does municipal FTTP pay?said by batterup:"The effective income tax rate attributable to Verizon for the first quarter was 30 percent."
Woo-HOO!! That is a whopping 1.6 cents out of every dollar paid to them by hard working people and businesses. They probably spend more money than that voluntarily greasing the palms of politicians. --
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Re: How much tax does municipal FTTP pay?said by jaa:said by batterup:"The effective income tax rate attributable to Verizon for the first quarter was 30 percent."
Woo-HOO!! That is a whopping 1.6 cents out of every dollar paid to them by hard working people and businesses. As I understand it Verizon paid more than 30 cents out of every taxable dollar they made; even the dollars they made being the "collector" for the guy hustling ring tones to kids. quote:
How to Calculate Effective Income Tax Rates
» www.ehow.com/how_6763579 ··· tes.htmlOh BTW my prime time DSL speeds are now full advertised speed. Some guy in Maryland pushed a few buttons on his computer and put me on bigger tubes. 
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