Japanese ISPs Block Child Porn But Possession of Child Porn Remains Legal Friday Apr 22 2011 08:40 EDT A group of Japanese ISPs have started filtering child pornography in the country as part of a new coalition dubbed The Internet Content Safety Association. The group of carriers say they're filtering a list of about 100 websites, which is provided to them by the Internet Hotline Centre Japan. The Center's website states that in addition to monitoring the Internet for child pornography, the group tracks and monitors "harmful information" that is "dangerous to public safety and order," including information on how to make explosives, contract killings and "other illegal activities." Actual possession of child pornography remains legal in Japan, though production and distribution are not. The nine ISPs participating in the group only cover about 50-70% of Japanese households. |
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One small step...It's a step in the right direction and I guess better late then never.
Provided they do not take this as a 1st step into censorship, as other counties slowly have done.... I've got no issues with this at all. | |
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Re: One small step...said by OldschoolDSL:It's a step in the right direction and I guess better late then never.
Provided they do not take this as a 1st step into censorship, as other counties slowly have done.... I've got no issues with this at all.
I agree.Too many in the US take "Free Speech" rights way too far. Just as you can't scream fire in a crowded movie theater, there are certain examples of speech(spoken or written) that are illegal and should not be allowed free rein - even on the internet. --
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Re: One small step...Until there is a fire or someone believes there is a fire and they go to jail. Meanwhile lawmakers, our self-appointed guardians of speech and thought, make their careers out of disseminating inflammatory lies. Freedom can be messy, but it is for the best. Filtering child porn does nothing to protect children, and on the whole probably increases the total amount of abuse. | |
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said by FFH5:there are certain examples of speech(spoken or written) that are illegal and should not be allowed free rein - even on the internet. There are. Libel, slander and hate speech are all illegal. Remember, free speech is a human right, not a privilege. Countries that deny that right to their citizens do so without legitimacy. Intentionally spreading information that you know is wrong for the purpose of hurting others is not free speech and should not be protected. --
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Re: One small step...Hate speech isn't illegal in the U.S unless it contains an incitement to imminent violence, libel, or slander. | |
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Re: One small step...said by Anony :Hate speech isn't illegal in the U.S unless it contains an incitement to imminent violence, libel, or slander.
Correct. Thank you for adding clarity. | |
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said by Maxo:Libel, slander and hate speech are all illegal.
Those are are covered by civil code, not criminal code. So therefor there at not illegal. | |
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said by FFH5:I agree.Too many in the US take "Free Speech" rights way too far. Just as you can't scream fire in a crowded movie theater, there are certain examples of speech(spoken or written) that are illegal and should not be allowed free rein - even on the internet. For this subject I don't think I've ever seen reasonable person argue that free speech should allow it or we should just let it rein free. But just like with any filtering, who decides what is and isn't allowed? Where's the due process? and were are the lines drawn at? Obviously if the child is obviously underage then it's clear. But what about a mature 16 or 17 year old that appears in her 20s? How about the opposite where someone that is well into their 20s can be made to look like they are in high school? What about anime/hentai/animation? Or written work? No one actually existed that is depicted? It's technically a work of "art". A person would be allowed to scream fire in a crowed theater in a book... What happens if a site like Google Images or Flickr has an offending image? We probably should block those. We probably should also block a shared server IP addresses at GoDaddy or other hosting providers that have offending images even though you could take out hundreds or thousands of other sites that have no connection other than being on the same server. What happens when the site and/or IP address is blocked, and the site just moves to a different hostname or IP. Or it's accessed through a proxy? Or tor? Or any one of numerous other things can can be done to make it a failing game of whack a mole. | |
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Re: One small step...Please stop making so much sense. You'll alarm the Knee Jerkers. | |
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Blocking porn do not work, have we not learn this yet? | |
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This seems like a slippery slope to me. I'd rather not have my ISP or government decide which sites I can visit. It's only a matter of time before a legit site gets blocked by "mistake". | |
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Re: One small step...said by AdamB0:This seems like a slippery slope to me. I'd rather not have my ISP or government decide which sites I can visit. It's only a matter of time before a legit site gets blocked by "mistake".
And the action by the Japanese ISP's is not merely aimed at child porn. From the first sentence of the linked page on their website (bolding is mine): quote:
illegal information on the Internet such as child pornography and advertisements for illegal drugs, and information that is dangerous to public safety and order (harmful information)
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What?!?Actual possession of child porn is legal in Japan!!?? So, if you don't produce or distribute it you can watch and view it all you want? I thought Japan was better than this. | |
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Re: What?!?Careful, definitions of "porn", and "child" differ all over the world. --
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Making possession a crime opens everyone's computer, home, and body to arbitrary searches--to prevent them from merely looking at something, which of course can cause no direct harm. Meanwhile, the more difficult task of investigating and eliminating abusers is almost totally neglected. | |
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Re: What?!?Respectfully disagree. It's the guys that seek out and make the entire child porn industry what it is. I would hazard a guess that if these sick perverts didn't want to get their rocks off on little kids, there wouldn't be a market for it. Why don't they just stick to the legal porn?? Sure, there is no direct harm, per se, to the child, but to not have any legal recourse against some that possesses it doesn't make sense. For without the possesor, the distributor doesn't have a market. | |
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Re: What?!?There's always the chance that someone hits a nasty site by accident while browsing for real porn. Once the picture shows in their browser and they close it, it could still be on their drive. That's technically possessing it, even if they have no idea that the picture has remained in the cache/temp folders. | |
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Re: What?!?THIS. Mere possession of a file shouldn't be cause for criminal charges. It's also very easy for someone to plant "evidence" on the computer of someone they don't like to ruin them.
One should have to distribute or produce this material to be guilty of a crime. It's way too easy to frame someone when possession is a crime. How many times has someone gotten in trouble because one of their "friends" stashes a bag of pot in their car or on their person? Same deal here, but with MUCH harsher punishment. | |
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Clearly the people who make it also want it, and they share it through various channels while downloading other peoples stuff for their own collection. Surely the number of producers is far less than the number of consumers (that is those who only collect but don't make there own). | |
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wouldn't it accomplish more?Wouldn't the Japanese accomplish more by actually, you know, investigating and arresting those responsible for producing child porn? Hiding websites from people seems like an easier, lazier thing to do. | |
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Re: wouldn't it accomplish more?this is one of those times i support it being taken offline. but it needs to be done correctly and needs to hunt down poeple that do it illegal( minor abuse) | |
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Exactly. A website that's blocked still exists, and if you're savvy, you can still access it. Meanwhile, the material is still being produced, published and sold. Problem solved? | |
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said by fatness:Wouldn't the Japanese accomplish more by actually, you know, investigating and arresting those responsible for producing child porn? Hiding websites from people seems like an easier, lazier thing to do. Yes, but it's a whack a mole. Take it down here and it pops up over there. It's not that different than what warez, mp3, torrents, etc sites do when they are taken down. Also, how do you go after someone who hosts the server in a different country, particularly one that doesn't really care about the issue or about foreign legal requests? | |
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Age Of ConsentAccording to a few sites I checked, the age of consent in Japan is 13 years old. How can you stop child porn in a country where the kids can have sex at 13 years? » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag ··· _in_Asia quote:
The national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.[28] However, prefectures can have ordinances that prohibit sexual activities with any minor under 18.[29]
‘Rape’, Art. 177 Penal Code 'A person who, through violence or intimidation, has sexual intercourse with a female person of not less than thirteen (13) years of age commits the crime of rape and shall be punished with imprisonment at forced labour for a limited term of not less than two years. 'The same shall apply to a person who has sexual intercourse with a 'female person under thirteen (13) years of age'.[30]
'Indecency through compulsion', Art. 176 Penal Code 'A person who, through violence or intimidation, commits an indecent act upon a male or female person of not less than thirteen (13) years of age shall be punished with imprisonment at forced labour for not less than six months nor more than seven years. The same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female person under thirteen (13) years of age.'[30]
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Re: Age Of Consentsaid by Lone Wolf:According to a few sites I checked, the age of consent in Japan is 13 years old. How can you stop child porn in a country where the kids can have sex at 13 years?
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The national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.[28] However, prefectures can have ordinances that prohibit sexual activities with any minor under 18.[29]
‘Rape’, Art. 177 Penal Code 'A person who, through violence or intimidation, has sexual intercourse with a female person of not less than thirteen (13) years of age commits the crime of rape and shall be punished with imprisonment at forced labour for a limited term of not less than two years. 'The same shall apply to a person who has sexual intercourse with a 'female person under thirteen (13) years of age'.[30]
'Indecency through compulsion', Art. 176 Penal Code 'A person who, through violence or intimidation, commits an indecent act upon a male or female person of not less than thirteen (13) years of age shall be punished with imprisonment at forced labour for not less than six months nor more than seven years. The same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female person under thirteen (13) years of age.'[30]
I think Hokkaido is 13, and it's a bit higher in Honshu/Kyushu/Shikoku island prefectures. But pretty much guys can be predators when it comes to younger girls. They'll trick them, buy them some stuff, then make them have sex with them. --
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Re: Age Of Consentsaid by Warez_Zealot:said by Lone Wolf:According to a few sites I checked, the age of consent in Japan is 13 years old. How can you stop child porn in a country where the kids can have sex at 13 years?
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag ··· _in_Asia
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The national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.[28] However, prefectures can have ordinances that prohibit sexual activities with any minor under 18.[29]
‘Rape’, Art. 177 Penal Code 'A person who, through violence or intimidation, has sexual intercourse with a female person of not less than thirteen (13) years of age commits the crime of rape and shall be punished with imprisonment at forced labour for a limited term of not less than two years. 'The same shall apply to a person who has sexual intercourse with a 'female person under thirteen (13) years of age'.[30]
'Indecency through compulsion', Art. 176 Penal Code 'A person who, through violence or intimidation, commits an indecent act upon a male or female person of not less than thirteen (13) years of age shall be punished with imprisonment at forced labour for not less than six months nor more than seven years. The same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female person under thirteen (13) years of age.'[30]
I think Hokkaido is 13, and it's a bit higher in Honshu/Kyushu/Shikoku island prefectures. But pretty much guys can be predators when it comes to younger girls. They'll trick them, buy them some stuff, then make them have sex with them. yes Tokyo its 18 and most of the area around is also 18 some of the outliers like Hokkaido are as low as 13 and iirc the the law for Japan other wise is 16 iirc imo i see no issue with as low as 13 any one who thinks a 13 year old is not a sexual being is kidding them selves | |
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Re: Age Of ConsentIt's not whether they are or are not a sexual being. I thought I read somewhere that babies can have orgasms. That means we may be conceived as sexual beings. The real question is whether or not acting on those impulses at an age where maturity and wisdom are at best, incomplete, is good for the long term social behavior of the citizen. If a predator tricks a 13 year old girl into becoming sexually active and later in life she realizes what happened, she'll most likely need counseling to recover from potential long term effects. In an era where we're headed for socialized medicine, that then places a burden on society to help her recover. If not, she could be a burden on society in the form of unwanted pregnancies and/or spreading deadly diseases to others.
I 100% agree that we need to have rights so that governments have clear boundaries. However, I believe everyone has a responsibility to make sure that by exercising the privileges guaranteed by our rights, we never interfere with the rights of others. When they do, we should feel ethically obligated to modify or cease our activities and make restitution to those whose rights we have affected. | |
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Re: Age Of Consenti call bs
teach kids how to be safe and use contraception solves your 2nd part as to needing counseling why later why not right after
because it wasnt wrong till society told said girl it was
and from what i have seen there is no tricked >.> have you stepped out side your home lately?
hell i was an anime con 5 years a go and had some girl approach me i about had a heart attack when she said she was 14.... so yea
i dont buy it
and im not talking about just girls i damn well knew what deal was at 13 and any male that says other wise is lying
lets also look how a 14 or 15 year old can be charged and tried for murder as an adult but there not mature enough for sex?
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I see conflicting laws, they allow people to have sex at the age of reason, which western culture traditionally doesn't, but they have some laws prohibiting sexual activity until the age of 18.
So their age of consent is more along the lines of human development, and that's where I see they might have some who oppose this being displayed when they are legally old enough to make their own decisions.
I just wanted to speak of the legality of it because yes, the idea of creepy old men going after thirteen year old girls makes my skin crawl because there can be no other reason for it besides lust, but if it's an older woman going after a thirteen year old boy it's seen as an achievement on part of the boy.
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CensorshipI am conflicted because if a sexual practice, picture or text is offensive then a person who would be offended should steer clear as long as a warning is given to assist a person in not doing, viewing or reading. Thus those wishing to participate may do so.
Should I not be able to read (or write ) a story or see a movie that I do not regard as offensive although it may offend another person. Offensiveness, like beauty is in the eye, mind or ear of the beholder. | |
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Re: CensorshipI agree -- partially. We should also consider what activity affects the rights of others. If by permitting certain behaviors it then leads to other behaviors that make our socialized infrastructure (police, medical, etc.) more costly, doesn't that then negatively affect the rights of others who have no choice (i.e. they cannot simply turn off the radio/tv/leave and thereby NOT be affected.)
For instance, as we head for socialized medicine, we may believe we have a right to eat whatever we want. What if the government creates a consequence for being fat because that behavior then causes a negative financial impact on the socialized infrastructure? I read that Arizona just passed a law where those with statistical health deviations pay more for insurance. Are we headed for the government outlawing "unhealthy" foods?
Honestly, I don't believe man will ever solve these issues. The desire to behave in a deviant manner is within each of us. There will always be a majority of us who choose to suppress those desires out of obligation to religion, ethics, morals or some personal code of conduct. There will also always be those who refuse to control themselves and believe they should be allowed to do anything they want. Regardless of what set of rules we create, they won't be perfect and there will always be an element among us who cry foul because they value some aspect of their behavior as necessary for their sense of happiness or well being.
I suppose we could potentially solve it if we discover that DNA variation leads to all deviant behavior (probably a stretch because that assumes all behavior is instinct and not learned) and we only allow reproduction through cloning from a perfected, lab-engineered specimen. Eventually everyone will be a clone with the same behaviors, values and passions. There will be no disagreement, wars or other unproductive behavior. Kind of sounds like Hitler on an even more audacious scale and unless we manage to create inter-stellar travel, I'm quite certain an asteroid will snuff us out long before that ever happens. | |
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Define child pornDepends on what classifies as child porn, and I bet there will be a wide interpretation of it.
Censorship is censorship. Imo this is just another distraction from the real elitist pedophiles in religious and government offices around the world that walk around freely. "It's for the children!" :rolleyes: | |
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