  Hookem99Deep In The Heart
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kudos:1 | Remember When...... We drove simply for the enjoyment of driving...... | |
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 |  firephotoFacts hurtPremium
join:2003-03-18
Brewster, WA | Re: Remember When...... said by Hookem99:We drove simply for the enjoyment of driving......
... then there were cup holders.
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| | | | Re: Remember When...... said by firephoto:said by Hookem99:We drove simply for the enjoyment of driving......
... then there were cup holders. was that back when gas was so cheap you could rig your car up to shoot flames out the exhaust and not worry about breaking the bank?  | |
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| | | | | Re: Remember When...... said by thedragonmas:said by firephoto:said by Hookem99:We drove simply for the enjoyment of driving......
... then there were cup holders. was that back when gas was so cheap you could rig your car up to shoot flames out the exhaust and not worry about breaking the bank? That actually served a useful function. | |
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|  rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105 | said by Hookem99:We drove simply for the enjoyment of driving......
For me, never. There are far too many drivers ignorant of the basic physics (momentum) and psychology (reaction time) of driving. The only time it's not a chore is if either "noone" else is on the road, or I actually have someone behind me who is NOT ignorant of those two things and actually keeps a prudent distance between us. But either seems to be quite rare these days.
As to the proposal...I like the idea of mesh networking. It's just that reliability will be close to nonexistent, as one can never depend on who's got one of these radios within range. Anyone who's decrying that smartphones are being used in cars these days is assuming there is only the driver, and seems to imply they want passengers to be denied such opportunities. I will agree though the fewer distractions the better...see the above about ignorant people.
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| | when they can drive them selves when they can drive them selves call me. being legally blind im sick and tired of the bus (2 hour trip to and from pretty much any where in the city thanks to their crappy layout, and no weekends!)
i would love to have a car that would just go where ever the heck i told it to, and it would be nice if this system some how lowered insurance rates when all cars can drive them selves, ....
yeah, right, i can dream though cant i? | |
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| | | Re: when they can drive them selves no it was back when electric cars were out before gasoline. | |
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| | | GM was working on this with SEGWAY technology with a company from China. Google the GM Segway car. It was demoed several years ago in NYC but GM killed the plans when they went belly up. | |
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join:2001-09-10
Chicago, IL | what a nightmare All I have to say is I hope I'm not driving when someone "cracks the code" and starts terrorizing our roads by making fake traffic jams everywhere.
Or "cracks to code" and gives my car a virus, forcing my CD player to only play Justin Bieber or Creed or something
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: what a nightmare said by BK:All I have to say is I hope I'm not driving when someone "cracks the code" and starts terrorizing our roads by making fake traffic jams everywhere.
Or "cracks to code" and gives my car a virus, forcing my CD player to only play Justin Bieber or Creed or something
Aside from any hacking concerns, what if just plain old bad programming causes car braking systems to go haywire based on signals being handled incorrectly or failed sensors?
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| |  KristopherI got a 4Premium
join:2002-10-11
Tyrinaria
kudos:4 | Re: what a nightmare said by Linklist:said by BK:All I have to say is I hope I'm not driving when someone "cracks the code" and starts terrorizing our roads by making fake traffic jams everywhere.
Or "cracks to code" and gives my car a virus, forcing my CD player to only play Justin Bieber or Creed or something
Aside from any hacking concerns, what if just plain old bad programming causes car braking systems to go haywire based on signals being handled incorrectly or failed sensors? Exactly. And don't forget the larger concern regarding easy Cylon takeover.
Seriously, depending too much on this type of technology without proper testing to ensure minimum error is a recipe for disaster. I dread the day that I can't get a vehicle that if fully manual without any of the bells and whistles that I just plain don't need.
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| | |  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| Re: what a nightmare Wouldn't the Police just love something like this. Get on a local network and shut down all of the vehicles in that net to check for drunk drivers, dopers, drug runners, check to for current insurance cards, illegal Republicans, space aliens, cross dressers, etc. Just think of the revenue that would generate for a city under the control of a mafia like public service union looking for cash to keep them fat and voting.
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| | | | | | Re: what a nightmare it could be used as the software designed for what is called "bait car" if needed they could go in and shut down a car if they're chasing it, etc. Would be a great way to end those safely - especially if all cars are stopped in the area. Would be a great way to control traffic for emergency services- fire- ems, and police responding to accidents and such. the cars pick up the sirens and then slow down the cars to a stop. the same as they can do now with stop lights. | |
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| |  MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL | The same thing that happens when bad engineering causes a break cable to snap loose, or any other thing that can go wrong with a car. A programming error is no different than any other sort of engineering problem that can happen in a vehicle. | |
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@comcastbusiness.net | Re: Don't forget Mr. Monetize! Like cell phones, maybe you'll get a free car if you sign a 5 year contract for the technology services. Hahaha! | |
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| | | | Re: Don't forget Mr. Monetize! said by Anon :Like cell phones, maybe you'll get a free car if you sign a 5 year contract for the technology services. Hahaha!
if they toss in insurance and a gas discount..... meh who am i kidding? theyd just charge you extra for every .00001 mile you go over your monthly driving allotment... | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Corporatist? Don't subscribe  Just because a service is available doesn't mean you have to run out and pay for it. Not everything is a corporate conspiracy to exercise maniacal control over lowly consumers  | |
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join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
kudos:1 | My goodness Get your tin foil hats out folks.
Any technology can be abused. But some things just turn out useful... you know, like the telephone, GPS...
When radios were optional extras in cars back in the UK years ago I remember folks bitching that having one would be such a distraction. Never mind seat belts weren't law at the time, LOL.
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| | | Re: My goodness tin foil hats? oh my, i just realized, the "cell phones and other radio devices cause cancer" crowed will want us to cover all roads with tunnelts lined in lead so the wifi's dont leak out and harm them | |
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| | Want to hack your car with an SMS? Have fun! »articles.cnn.com/2011-08-03/tech···=PM:TECH
Bailey, a senior security consultant with iSEC Partners, said in an interview with CNN at the Black Hat security conference here at Caesars Palace that the same hack he has used to demonstrate unlocking and even starting a car via text message also could be used to attack industrial systems, the power grid and the water system. | |
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| | | Re: Want to hack your car with an SMS? Have fun! Yeah, this will be the subject of a few talks at DEF CON 21 or 22. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Sounds cool Make sure the user can remove it, turn it off, replace it with their own piece of third-party hardware. Most wouldn't, but some would.
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| | Would be highly useful for road trips. Send information on next stops and plans while driving... | |
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| Ford / Sync / WiFi mesh bad idea While this may 'sound' like a good idea for the masses, here are the issues:
1. If you thought Google had information on you / where you are, Ford/Microsoft (Sync) will be able to place you where you are/when, your current speed, driving habits, possibly your calls. Since this is a WiFi mesh, that data is 'meshed' through everyone elses car. A goog hacked should be able to snarf that data.
2. Sync = Microsoft. Reboot/patch often (especially on Tuesdays)
3. I may not be a 'tin foil' hat wearing person, but WiFi mesh = ugly. | |
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| | | Re: Ford / Sync / WiFi mesh bad idea OnStar and your cell phone already does this. time to move on. | |
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| | | | Re: Ford / Sync / WiFi mesh bad idea But you pay for it, because you want it. Not you have it wither you want it or not. A mesh, is inherent to being turned on all the time, or it serves no purpose.
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join:2002-12-30
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| said by en103:While this may 'sound' like a good idea for the masses, here are the issues:
1. If you thought Google had information on you / where you are, Ford/Microsoft (Sync) will be able to place you where you are/when, your current speed, driving habits, possibly your calls. Since this is a WiFi mesh, that data is 'meshed' through everyone elses car. A goog hacked should be able to snarf that data.
2. Sync = Microsoft. Reboot/patch often (especially on Tuesdays)
3. I may not be a 'tin foil' hat wearing person, but WiFi mesh = ugly.
BUT...when you realize that no one really cares where we are or who we call, it becomes a non-issue. | |
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| 1984????? Don't like the idea at all and in general things are getting creeper and creeper. I know the Government is our friend people will say I'm nuts but I don't like all this tracking technology being built into everything. Also it just gives a car one more thing that can break and I don't see the usefulness in it. Drunk firemen out for a joy ride turning off every ones car in their way. Just one thought that comes to mind.
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We already don't have enough spectrum. Now we would have every Ford vehicle out there with omni directional antennas on them spewing RF everywhere. Unless of course Ford purchased a licensed spectrum chunk world wide (which you can't do)
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Don't forget Mr. Monetize!
I guess this service will be included in the price of the car until the Corporatist see the possibilities. Remember that ONstar is not a free service. Owners will wind up paying for ONstar, like services, Satellite Radio, Navigation System updates, Broadband and Voice Communications. Before one knows it they will pay more for in car services than for the purchase of the car. The next thing you know the Corporatist will repossess or disable your car if you fail to pay your wireless bill. The Corporatist will always to find a way to squeeze your Nickel until the Buffalo shits.
