  EdrickI aspire to tell the story of a lifetimePremium
join:2004-09-11
Woburn, MA | Idea Offer customers amazing choices for ACTUAL good pricing that's justifiable. Why not be the company that thinks differently and helps pave the way for the future?
Holy shit you might make a crap ton more money that way by having customers who are happy and loyal! | |
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 |  thegeekPremium
join:2008-02-21
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kudos:2 | Re: Idea won't happen. they already make a crap ton of money on customers who aren't happy and are forced to be loyal by high early termination fees. | |
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| flbas1
join:2010-02-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Loving Sprint. No overage charges. Unlimited data, texting. Unlimited mobile to mobile minutes. 7p-7a unlimted landline minutes. | |
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| | | | Re: Idea Same here... absolutely love Sprint | |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | Why are T-Mo users using so little? and Why the lowest/slowest rate of increase? | |
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| | | Re: Why are T-Mo users using so little? I know that streaming audio in the car is rather hard to do on tmobile due to poor coverage, my guess would be poor coverage, plus I think heavy users avoid t-mobile due to coverage concerns. | |
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 GbcueP.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | 2GB Enough for you, AT&T Users? Well, is it?
Less than a year into caps and the average (amongst the highest) is almost half of your cap.
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|  JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
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| Re: 2GB Enough for you, AT&T Users? said by Gbcue:Well, is it?
Less than a year into caps and the average (amongst the highest) is almost half of your cap.
Yep. Easily. I'm like the Average Sprint User.
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| | | "Clearwire's mobile WiMAX subscribers are burning through around 7 GB of data per month, according to a company executive, and the company's business plan seems to be predicated on keeping up with that demand."
Read more: Clearwire: Mobile WiMAX subs eating 7 GB per month - FierceWireless »www.fiercewireless.com/story/cle···VPG92PYF
Not for WiMAX users apparently. Or maybe usage has decreased 90% over the last year. | |
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Silly companies upselling services said by Karl Bode :As data use grows, the line is constantly adjusted by AT&T and Verizon to catch more and more users in a pricing funnel, driving them to costlier plans that provide more data than they need. What A foreign concept for a business. Upselling products/services is nothing new, and definitely not unique to the telecom industry. | |
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| | | Re: Silly companies upselling services This comment is silly. The article doesn't say upselling is new or unique to telecom. Meanwhile, I'd love a $15 500MB plan. | |
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| | | | Re: Silly companies upselling services Most of openbox's comments are silly. | |
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| | AT&T has the most usage? Hasn't AT&T been using the fact that their users consume the most data as their excuse for their piss poor coverage issues for the past 3 years?
Sprint users on average consumer more than double than they do yet they seem to be able to handle the capacity just fine. It's obviously market dependant as far as your coverage but overall ATT has had some serious issues as of late(getting better now) and they've always blamed the fact that their users are smartphone data hungry customers.
Now it could be the fact that they have a higher percentage of smartphone users but overall sprint users consume almost double the data on average... which would make up for any disparity in overall number of smartphone users by percentage between the two carriers. | |
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| | | Re: AT&T has the most usage? said by Readfineprnt :Sprint users on average consumer more than double than they do yet they seem to be able to handle the capacity just fine. It's obviously market dependant as far as your coverage but overall ATT has had some serious issues as of late(getting better now) and they've always blamed the fact that their users are smartphone data hungry customers. Yeah, I don't tend to go through a lot of data each month on Sprint since my 3g averages between 400kbps all the way up to MAYBE 1Mbps, depending on where I am. | |
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| | | said by Readfineprnt :Hasn't AT&T been using the fact that their users consume the most data as their excuse for their piss poor coverage issues for the past 3 years?
Sprint users on average consumer more than double than they do yet they seem to be able to handle the capacity just fine. It's obviously market dependant as far as your coverage but overall ATT has had some serious issues as of late(getting better now) and they've always blamed the fact that their users are smartphone data hungry customers.
Now it could be the fact that they have a higher percentage of smartphone users but overall sprint users consume almost double the data on average... which would make up for any disparity in overall number of smartphone users by percentage between the two carriers.
AT&T's already admitted their network problems were the result of capex reduction, not the iPhone. The news didn't really cover it, but the executives said it in public. | |
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| | Look at it differently.... So basically AT&T is admitting that they are worse at network management than Sprint. Sprint allows unlimited data usage while also NOT complaining about congestion and overuse.
I hate your customer service reps Sprint, but good job on the network management. AT&T should look up to you as the company to emulate since you are clearly doing it the right way.
(yes I realize there are more AT&T customers than Sprint has but that would get in the way of me snarking my wireless provider.) | |
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| flbas1
join:2010-02-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Re: Look at it differently.... said by axiomatic:(yes I realize there are more AT&T customers than Sprint has but that would get in the way of me snarking my wireless provider.)
change to Sprint.
said by axiomatic:I hate your customer service reps Sprint, but good job on the network management. AT&T should look up to you as the company to emulate since you are clearly doing it the right way.
Sprint customer service has increased since I was last on. Check into it; and reduce some money for their merger. | |
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| | | said by axiomatic:So basically AT&T is admitting that they are worse at network management than Sprint. Sprint allows unlimited data usage while also NOT complaining about congestion and overuse.
I hate your customer service reps Sprint, but good job on the network management. AT&T should look up to you as the company to emulate since you are clearly doing it the right way.
(yes I realize there are more AT&T customers than Sprint has but that would get in the way of me snarking my wireless provider.)
Name some area's where Sprint has expanded their piss poor coverage? Last time I checked, AT&T has been expanding 3G and deploying HSPA+ thats faster than Sprint's *4G* in a lot of cases. | |
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| | Context? I admit I did not read the link to the report and I wonder if this data is broken down from ALL users of the carrier or just the data plan users or smart/Enchanced Smart phone users.
These numbers seem low to me,I know I use google music but even when I don't I believe I use this much in almost a week or so. | |
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amungusPremium
join:2004-11-26
America Reviews:
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| "Average" These "averages" are incredibly deceiving.
Many smartphone users don't even think twice about streaming music for extended periods of time, esp. if they have a dock, or use it in their car. Add in occasional video, regular checks of websites, misc. navigation, misc. app downloads, etc., and you easily hit 2GB/mo. Sprint users who have 'unlimited' seem like they like to use their data without fear of any extraneous charges, which is good.
Usage is only bound to increase over time, especially with 4G.
These data constrictions are in place for two reasons - money, and scaring people into using what they pay for in a lesser manner.
According to the "network monitor" app on my Android, I've used over 400MB this week, 1.4GB this month (so far). | |
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| thegeekPremium
join:2008-02-21
right here
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: "Average" agree with the not thinking twice about streaming music. i just checked my usages on Verizon's website. half way through the billing cycle i'm at 900MB, my wife is at 400MB, and my daughter is at 1.6GB! i was surprised at her usage being so high, but she does stream music non stop and browse the web at the same time. | |
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
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| Normal usage... is around 300-600MB/mo. Add some streaming in, you could get to 1GB.
Good for Sprint. They are selling a product that really isn't utilitarian (people love the word "unlimited" even though they don't need more than 2GB of data from AT&T or Verizon), but that's the free market.
Sprint has far fewer customers than AT&T, and, hence, no congestion. They also have way more spectrum when you include the CLEAR 4G on the 2600mhz band that's taking a good chunk of the network abuse. | |
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 DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 | so this isnt captialism Everyone complains about capitalism . Well we dont have a competitive market. So shouldn't all the socialist be happy ? | |
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| | | Re: so this isnt captialism What the what? Because anyone who complains about pricing is a socialist against capitalism? Sociasts love noncompetitive markets? This country's school system clearly needs a little work. | |
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| | | Yeah, because socialism is all about letting monolopies walk all over people for more money. That is totally what socialists like.
That said, I hate to be defending AT&T at all, ever, but it is a bit disingenious to say the average Sprint user uses double theirs so why are they not having problems? Because Sprint has significantly less users than AT&T - not saying AT&T doesn't have problems with congestion and shouldn't build out their network, or that they didn't make mistakes by doing it. I would just prefer we criticize them for valid reasons to make our points less easy to dismiss. | |
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| |  jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1 | Re: so this isnt captialism said by HappyAnarchy :That said, I hate to be defending AT&T at all, ever, but it is a bit disingenious to say the average Sprint user uses double theirs so why are they not having problems? Because Sprint has significantly less users than AT&T - not saying AT&T doesn't have problems with congestion and shouldn't build out their network, or that they didn't make mistakes by doing it. I would just prefer we criticize them for valid reasons to make our points less easy to dismiss.
Are you suggesting that AT&T is overselling subscriptions to their wireless network? The last report that I read indicated that AT&T's network performance was equal to or better than Sprint's in most regions across the country. The issue with the much lower data usage is not due to congestion or the number of subscribers, it's the high cost of the plans combined with the steep penalties for going over the limit.
Verizon smokes Sprint in performance in most of the places I frequent, yet the average Sprint user consumed more data.
I think the point being made in the report is spot on. It's the pricing and caps that are holding people back. | |
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| elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | said by DaveDude:Everyone complains about capitalism . Well we dont have a competitive market. So shouldn't all the socialist be happy ?
You have, at a minimum, 4 major sellers of wireless data, with several minor players in many markets.
Sorry to say, but you do have competition. It may not bring you the price point you want, but it is delivering the product to market, and the price/bit has come way down from years ago. | |
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| Re: so this isnt captialism That's your piss poor definition of competition. Mine is multiple carriers with similar services, coverage, and quality. They all vary greatly carrier to carrier, market to market. Thus, competition is only existent for the ignorant that can't tell the difference, or the money conscious that don't care about the difference. | |
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 Subaru1-3-2-4Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT | last month.. I hit 38 GB after that I slowed down.. | |
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| | | Re: last month.. It amazes me how it appears everyone reading these threads seems to choose to ignore your post. I see this kind of usage also. I could hit 2GB in a day (hours) easily now that Netflix is on my Samsung Galaxy S. | |
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JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
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| uh... yeah quote:
eating an average of 778 MB per month and a median of 371 MB a month.
both of which are well under the 2GB AT&T data allowance for $25. So, in Sprint's case, 2GB is anywhere from 2.2-5X as much as the average Sprint user would need in a month.
So. Um. Yay, unlimited data!
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| | | Re: uh... yeah Power users can use as much as they want, typical users can use the average amount. No worries, no crazy bills. I fail to see how that's such a bad thing? | |
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| | JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
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| Re: uh... yeah said by tman852:Power users can use as much as they want, typical users can use the average amount. No worries, no crazy bills. I fail to see how that's such a bad thing?
Because the average users give the "power users" a free ride, by subsidizing their true carry costs? Oh, wait, I forgot, there is no cost at all to providing unlimited data. I read that on a forum somewhere.
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| | Better than lower priced tiers Why doesn't *any* cell phone company let you just buy your own smartphone outright and pay for a voice plan only? Why do you also have to pay the "subsidized" price? This is illegal usury. Why is this kind of practice even allowed? | |
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| | | Re: Better than lower priced tiers said by sonicmerlin:Why doesn't *any* cell phone company let you just buy your own smartphone outright and pay for a voice plan only? Why do you also have to pay the "subsidized" price? This is illegal usury. Why is this kind of practice even allowed?
Lots of providers do this. Virgin Mobile, Boost Mobile, Cricket Wireless, Walmart Straightalk, Metro PCS and a host of others. | |
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| | | said by sonicmerlin:Why doesn't *any* cell phone company let you just buy your own smartphone outright and pay for a voice plan only? Why do you also have to pay the "subsidized" price? This is illegal usury. Why is this kind of practice even allowed?
T-Mobile does, if you're going to be cheap, you have to go to a cheap company. Of course Verizon and AT&T, and Sprint (who is desperate for money), will charge you for your smartphone even if you purchased it full retail. | |
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kudos:1 | When they say "creating value" ... ... I'm pretty sure they mean, for themselves. As in, charging for things that used to be free.
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| | THIS from March, 2010 "Clearwire's mobile WiMAX subscribers are burning through around 7 GB of data per month, according to a company executive, and the company's business plan seems to be predicated on keeping up with that demand."
I guess usage must be going way down over time. If WiMAX is anything like Sprint (the highest usage) the average usage has gone down 90% in one year. They shouldn't need any investments in infrastructure, right? Next year people will only be using about 75MB average.
Read more: Clearwire: Mobile WiMAX subs eating 7 GB per month - FierceWireless »www.fiercewireless.com/story/cle···VPG92PYF | |
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| | | Re: THIS from March, 2010 said by MojaveMike:"Clearwire's mobile WiMAX subscribers are burning through around 7 GB of data per month, according to a company executive, and the company's business plan seems to be predicated on keeping up with that demand."
I guess usage must be going way down over time. If WiMAX is anything like Sprint (the highest usage) the average usage has gone down 90% in one year. They shouldn't need any investments in infrastructure, right? Next year people will only be using about 75MB average.
Read more: Clearwire: Mobile WiMAX subs eating 7 GB per month - FierceWireless »www.fiercewireless.com/story/cle···VPG92PYF
Well one thing, Clearwire retails WhyMax as a home broadband replacement. Sprint doesn't advertise that for anything, which is why you can expect Clearwire to have a higher number of data munchers. And yea they need a lot of investment into that riddled mess of a network, like maybe expansion? Backhaul ect... | |
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| | Those figures are a joke. One hour of Netflix per day on my Samsung Galaxy S uses 30GB/month. AT&T is now offering one free month of Netflix with their service. Add it up. | |
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 Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 |  Is anyone surprised?
said by Article :
Depending on your usage and plan, tiered pricing means that you are either paying for data you’re not using or that you are restricted to less data than you need.
With plans that jump from 200MB to 2GB and offer nothing in between, is anyone surprised at this statement? Especially when the overage increment on the 200MB plans wind up costing as much (or in some cases MORE) than the next available tier?
They simply took the existing per-minute model and have swapped the word minute for the word megabyte. | |
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|  koolman2Premium
join:2002-10-01
Anchorage, AK
1 edit | Re: Is anyone surprised? And, instead of charging per megabyte, they do the equivalent of charging for an additional block of minutes instead of each additional used. I'd be okay with getting charged 8¢ or 1¢ for each additional megabyte instead of $15 for 200 or $10 for 1024. Going over my plan by five megs charges $10; it's no wonder people are careful to not go close!
edit: 200, not 250; 8¢, not 5¢ | |
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| | Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 |  Re: Is anyone surprised?
said by koolman2:And, instead of charging per megabyte, they do the equivalent of charging for an additional block of minutes instead of each additional used. I'd be okay with getting charged 5¢ or 1¢ for each additional megabyte instead of $15 for 250 or $10 for 1024. Going over my plan by five megs charges $10; it's no wonder people are careful to not go close!
Very good point. It's like using 451 minutes of your 450 minute allotment, then being billed for an additional 450 minutes, when the 900 minute plan costs less. | |
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| | Unlimited is better I'm not sure what my data usage is to be honest. But I have the Unlimited everything plan from Boost Mobile (A Sprint company) that is $50 a month.
While this Android phone isn't as good as the iPhone it replaced, the iPhone sure wasn't worth the extra $700+ a year more it cost me to use. I'm just plain happy with my phone and unlimited data. Including tethering to my laptop when I need it. | |
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| | Doing my part to increase the AT&T average March: 2.8 GB
April: 3.3 GB
May: 5.1 GB
June: 2.7 GB
July: 1.7 GB
August: 4 GB
My billing cycle starts on the 13th; six days into this cycle I'm at 641.7 MB, with another 350 MB on top of that from today  .
Oh yeah, I'm grandfathered on the old "unlimited" data tier.
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