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Costs and StatisticsI believe most wireline networks report that they need to double in capacity to handle peak traffic every 18-24 months. Wireless networks are growing even faster. | |
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| wings10I Am Legend Premium Member join:2004-06-09 South Elgin, IL |
wings10
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2011-Oct-27 9:34 am
Re: Costs and StatisticsI agree. We watch less and less Cable/Satellite and more Netflix, Crackle etc on our TV. | |
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Re: Costs and StatisticsBut tell customers they need to pay more for upgrades, and they'll start to scream. | |
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2011-Oct-27 12:50 pm
Re: Costs and Statisticsit's either they introduce the real price of internet service or they need to deal with inadequate infrastructure. It really is that simple. | |
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2011-Oct-27 8:58 pm
Re: Costs and StatisticsThey don't want to lower our bills that much by moving to real pricing of internet service. | |
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said by fifty nine:But tell customers they need to pay more for upgrades, and they'll start to scream. Please. wh should they upgrade they are capping connections. If you want me to pay for upgrades to handle more traffic I better get the benefit of being able to actually recieve more traffic. | |
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said by fifty nine:But tell customers they need to pay more for upgrades, and they'll start to scream. Pay more to who? AT&T snagged $20 billion in profit the last year. They're getting a giant upgrade in USF funding now. | |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
So who's really benefitting?According to a new study by Sandvine, Netflix traffic comprises 32% of all Internet traffic during peak hours.
Seems to me that since the lion's share of Netflix revenues goes to paying Hollywood for the rights, it is Hollywood that is benefitting the most.
So I say to the Hollywood movie complex, in the immortal words of Ed Whitacre - pay up Sony, pay up Universal, pay up Fox.
"How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?" -- AT&T CEO Edward Whitacre 11/07/05 | |
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jmn1207
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2011-Oct-27 9:49 am
Re: So who's really benefitting?I'm not sure how effective that would be, since the content providers would be more than happy to have the ISPs block their content from going across the internet. | |
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said by MaynardKrebs:"How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?" -- AT&T CEO Edward Whitacre 11/07/05 Netflix and others already pays for the "pipe". The Customer already pays for the "pipe". Now AT&T wants to double dip? | |
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Re: So who's really benefitting?said by wings10:said by MaynardKrebs:"How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?" -- AT&T CEO Edward Whitacre 11/07/05 Netflix and others already pays for the "pipe". The Customer already pays for the "pipe". Now AT&T wants to double dip? Read the date on the quote. Though I'm sure that they'd still want to do that. | |
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wings10
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2011-Oct-27 12:37 pm
Re: So who's really benefitting?said by MaynardKrebs:said by wings10:said by MaynardKrebs:"How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?" -- AT&T CEO Edward Whitacre 11/07/05 Netflix and others already pays for the "pipe". The Customer already pays for the "pipe". Now AT&T wants to double dip? Read the date on the quote. Though I'm sure that they'd still want to do that. Oh yes Comcast as already said they want a piece of Netflix since they use their "Pipe". | |
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88615298 (banned)
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2011-Oct-27 1:01 pm
Statitistics are funnyNetflix traffic comprises 32% of all Internet traffic during peak hours
That does NOT mean Netflix is using 32% of available bandwith as the FUDsters and Astroturfers would like you to believe. | |
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Re: Statitistics are funnyya that should simply mean that of all the internet traffic occurring at that given moment, 32% of it is Netflix related. | |
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dvd536as Mr. Pink as they come Premium Member join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ |
dvd536
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2011-Oct-27 1:18 pm
Number DownI bet that number is down since netflix shot themselves in the foot. | |
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Re: Number DownEspecially since there's not much added lately. I haven't watched anything for a couple weeks, so am likely to get rid of Netflix. I used to look at this list, which shows new Netflix additions rated by Rotten Tomatoes. It used to be updated with a dozen titles a week or more. In the past couple months, it hasn't budged at all, meaning Netflix is not putting out content that is Rotten Tomatoes worthy... » instantwatcher.com/genre ··· itle+asc | |
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2011-Oct-27 2:56 pm
Re: Number Downsame here once my current membership expires I am going to turn off mine as well. Once I see that more content has been added I will start back up again | |
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2011-Oct-27 3:37 pm
Re: Number Downsaid by gsm:same here once my current membership expires I am going to turn off mine as well. Once I see that more content has been added I will start back up again With people like you quitting where exactly is Netflix supposed to get the funds to do that? Especially now since idiots basically forced Netflix to keep the DVD part that they wanted to seperate in a seperate company. | |
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said by dvd536:I bet that number is down since netflix shot themselves in the foot. Actually it's not. They didnt shoot themselves in the foot. People just want everything for free or nearly free. Sorry 7 DVDs a month for $2 is just not a money maker. FACT. Netflix is a BUSINESS not a charity. | |
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Re: Number Downsaid by 88615298:said by dvd536:I bet that number is down since netflix shot themselves in the foot. Actually it's not. They didnt shoot themselves in the foot. People just want everything for free or nearly free. Sorry 7 DVDs a month for $2 is just not a money maker. FACT. Netflix is a BUSINESS not a charity. as has been pointed out countless times before, i paid $2 for streaming, not 7 dvd's a month. you have it reversed. what do you expect to happen when you get rid of a bundle discount, if a cable co' eliminated all discounts for combing phone/video/internet, how many customers do you think they would lose entirely or to downgrades... | |
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2011-Oct-27 11:20 pm
Re: Number Downsaid by thedragonmas:as has been pointed out countless times before, i paid $2 for streaming, not 7 dvd's a month. you have it reversed. Funny I was paying $8 for streaming and before the change was offered 1 DVD at a time for $2. Also Netflix can't make money and offer more content on streaming for $2 a month. That should be obvious. So either way it wasn't a mistake. | |
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said by 88615298:said by dvd536:I bet that number is down since netflix shot themselves in the foot. Actually it's not. They didnt shoot themselves in the foot. People just want everything for free or nearly free. Sorry 7 DVDs a month for $2 is just not a money maker. FACT. Netflix is a BUSINESS not a charity. Have you looked at netflix stock lately? | |
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Re: Number Downsaid by dvd536:said by 88615298:said by dvd536:I bet that number is down since netflix shot themselves in the foot. Actually it's not. They didnt shoot themselves in the foot. People just want everything for free or nearly free. Sorry 7 DVDs a month for $2 is just not a money maker. FACT. Netflix is a BUSINESS not a charity. Have you looked at netflix stock lately? you mean this stock? $300 down to $75 in 6 months
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Re: Number DownMany analysts point out that NF stock has been overvalued for a long time and that it's just now coming down to grounded reality. No matter what NF did, it would have eventually come down.
Even so, they made some bad decisions (splitting the disc/streaming plans) and they are strangled by content owners. Even the small and foreign studios are no longer providing much new content to NF streaming.
The studios have won. This is odd that the studios didn't embrace NF streaming because now it will encourage pirating. And ripping a DVD/BR is easy, storing a NF stream is not.
I'm getting ready to cancel NF streaming and stick to discs. I've already canceled NF disc for Blockbuster... BB has a chance to make a comeback by integrating disc by mail, instore swapout along with games but they really should integrate mail returns/swapouts into the Express boxes as well since there are less stores. They should rollout Express boxes to most every neighborhood market/7-11/QuickTrip. If BB could acquire Hulu, they could be back in the game as the leader. | |
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said by dvd536:said by 88615298:said by dvd536:I bet that number is down since netflix shot themselves in the foot. Actually it's not. They didnt shoot themselves in the foot. People just want everything for free or nearly free. Sorry 7 DVDs a month for $2 is just not a money maker. FACT. Netflix is a BUSINESS not a charity. Have you looked at netflix stock lately? Doesn't matter. Just because any moron can buy a stock and any moron can panic over nothing because they are in fact a moron that can't see the "big picture" doesn't mean Netflix made a mistake. | |
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said by 88615298:said by dvd536:I bet that number is down since netflix shot themselves in the foot. Actually it's not. They didnt shoot themselves in the foot. People just want everything for free or nearly free. Sorry 7 DVDs a month for $2 is just not a money maker. FACT. Netflix is a BUSINESS not a charity. You may think they didn't but everyone else in the world including every Netflix stockholder sure does | |
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the problem is its Hollywood that gave Netflix the loaded gun with the safety disabled.
Content owners want Netflix dead as do the ISPs.
Content owners hate Netflix because streaming showed people the light that content should be cheap and function on their schedule not on the schedule written up in a board room.
ISPs hate netflix because it causes people to actually use their broadband instead of paying $45/mo to check email and play WoW. | |
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here is the reasonThe movie you are interested in available in DVD format only ... | |
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2011-Oct-27 3:31 pm
Re: here is the reasonsaid by DaveDude:The movie you are interested in available in DVD format only ... And Netflix would love to have that DVD on streaming. The studios won't allow it. So put the blame where it lies. | |
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Kearnstd
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2011-Oct-27 6:30 pm
Re: here is the reasonsaid by 88615298:said by DaveDude:The movie you are interested in available in DVD format only ... And Netflix would love to have that DVD on streaming. The studios won't allow it. So put the blame where it lies. if the studios had their way we would be paying per view even from physical media we own and they would try and make it illegal to watch a movie with a bunch of friends over without paying an extra royalty. | |
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2011-Oct-27 1:33 pm
Don't be fooled with "Peak" BSDon't be fooled by the BS notion that ISPs now have a justification to charge overages! 32% of "peak" ... NOT overall traffic. They won't tell you that because that number is way lower. In addition, 32% of "Peak" is NOT 32% of their MAX bandwidth capabilities. So basically, if they only have 25% of their "pipes" full during peak times, Netflix would only be about 8% of their max capabilities during peak. | |
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