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join:2005-03-14
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| Re: Verizon said by NeoandGeo:Hmm. Can't double my unlimited data.
Sure, double secret unlimited! | |
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join:2011-08-11
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kudos:1 | Re: Verizon And who is Cellco? | |
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join:2011-08-11
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kudos:1 | Re: Verizon Hmmm, so where did they get their money to build the infrastructure from? | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | said by motoracer:they just need to invest more in their infrastructure. Here we go again. What about the billions of dollars VZW is investing in its LTE network? No matter what, there will always be those that are never satisfied quite enough. | |
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OwlSaverOwlSaverPremium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA | Will this make Family Data Plans less likely? We have four phones, one of which is a Droid II with grandfathered unlimited data. I would like to get all smart phones but do not want to pay for data for each device. A promotion like this will, I think, make it harder for Verizon to offer the Family Data plan that I am waiting for. | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: Will this make Family Data Plans less likely? Not really. I have no doubt that VZW will launch family data plans at some point to hang the carrot on a stick for those grandfathered with "unlimited" data plans. Family data plans and/or price decreases are a couple of the limited options the company really has to motivate customers to willingly give up their grandfathered plans. | |
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|  thegeekPremium
join:2008-02-21
right here
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| I have 3 lines and need to add of forth soon. The 3 current lines are unlimited data. I'm holding out on the 4th line to see what family data is like. We only use about 5-8GB right now so if I could get a family plan of 10GB or so for less than the cost of 4 individual lines then I'd give up my unlimited for it. Unlimited will be forced out eventually anyway. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | 4GB Since when is the $30 plan 4GB? It's been 2GB AFAIK. Thus, it would double to 4GB... | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Re: 4GB It's also not very useful, other than as a buffer, as there's no reason to be using that much data, and you'd be murdering your battery life anyways. Even at 1.5GB/mo, battery life is horrendous. | |
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| | | | Re: 4GB I use 8GB a month and my battery life is great! | |
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| | | | said by BiggA:It's also not very useful, other than as a buffer, as there's no reason to be using that much data, and you'd be murdering your battery life anyways. Even at 1.5GB/mo, battery life is horrendous.
Do you actually own a smartphone using VZW's LTE? I downloaded over 5GB's last month so tell me what I shouldn't be doing with my phone? Watching videos on youtube, checking email, surfing websites, etc. And my bionic's battery is doing just fine. I get over a day and a half with heavy usage. | |
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join:2003-07-20
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kudos:12 | Re: 4GB said by south1178:And my bionic's battery is doing just fine. I get over a day and a half with heavy usage.
You must mean half a day. I own a Bionic and you do not get a day and a half with heavy usage, I don't care what you disable. The phone only gets 10 hours of 3G talk time, half that when using data heavy applications. | |
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| | | | | | Re: 4GB said by Matt3:said by south1178:And my bionic's battery is doing just fine. I get over a day and a half with heavy usage.
You must mean half a day. I own a Bionic and you do not get a day and a half with heavy usage, I don't care what you disable. The phone only gets 10 hours of 3G talk time, half that when using data heavy applications. I find it humorous to know what my phone can and can't do.
Here is one screen shot after work one day. I have the extended battery. I get an easy 20+ hours out of it. Never happened though because your phone doesn't do it, right? | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by south1178:said by Matt3:said by south1178:And my bionic's battery is doing just fine. I get over a day and a half with heavy usage.
You must mean half a day. I own a Bionic and you do not get a day and a half with heavy usage, I don't care what you disable. The phone only gets 10 hours of 3G talk time, half that when using data heavy applications. I find it humorous to know what my phone can and can't do. Here is one screen shot after work one day. I have the extended battery. I get an easy 20+ hours out of it. Never happened though because your phone doesn't do it, right? Your phone was idle 42% of that time. That is not "a day and a half of heavy usage." That is, at best, 3/4th of a day of heavy usage ... on an extended battery. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Re: 4GB lol... Android battery life. One of the reasons I ended up switching to the iPhone. Even the iPhone can't do two days of heavy usage... | |
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The bionic idle stats are off, known issue with Gingerbread. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: 4GB said by south1178:said by Matt3:Your phone was idle 42% of that time. That is not "a day and a half of heavy usage." That is, at best, 3/4th of a day of heavy usage ... on an extended battery.
The bionic idle stats are off, known issue with Gingerbread. I own a Bionic. I know how much time I get on the standard battery. I have also read reviews of the extended battery. At most, you get 20 hours of heavy usage. Nowhere near a day and a half.
Hush fanboy, hush. | |
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join:2005-11-23
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| Re: 4GB Anyone who's getting more than a day of heavy usage is either not actually using the phone much, or they're lying. Even with iPhone. My friend showed me his Vibrant 4G that hadn't been charged in two days, and it was at 70% or so, and I was shocked until I found that he basically doesn't use his phone. | |
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| |  VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | said by BiggA:It's also not very useful, other than as a buffer, as there's no reason to be using that much data, and you'd be murdering your battery life anyways. Even at 1.5GB/mo, battery life is horrendous.
Are you trying to tell people what they can and cant do with their phones?
Why would you think everyone has the same needs or wants as you? | |
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Go away. | |
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join:2005-11-23
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| Oh my, more of the entitled-to-waste-vast-quantities-of-bandwidth crowd. What are you people doing with your phones? And yes, I did have an Android phone, and it wasn't even on Verizon's power sucking LTE network, it was an AT&T phone on HSPA, and that was bad enough. LTE is great for dense areas, and weak signal areas, but it's still amazing to me how people come out of the woodwork saying they want to be able to use GIGABYTES of data on a mobile device.
So, the original question, isn't it 2GB going to 4GB, not 4 to 8? | |
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| | VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | Re: 4GB said by BiggA:Oh my, more of the entitled-to-waste-vast-quantities-of-bandwidth crowd. What are you people doing with your phones?
Again, you didn't even come close to actually answering anyones questions.
Why are you trying to dictate what others can and can't do?
If others need 3g streaming for work or family or whatever....why exactly is that "shocking"....because you don't?
Do you understand what an absolute moron you come off as when you try to tell people that since you don't use a lot...others shouldnt? | |
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join:2005-11-23
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| Re: 4GB My point was that upping that cap isn't really that useful since a heavy smartphone user uses around 1GB-1.5GB. People who are blatantly wasting bandwidth should stop, because they are negatively impacting the network for others. I wish that Verizon, AT&T, and all the rest would throttle at 2GB for EVERYONE and call it a day. That being said, it is funny that Verizon offers bigger packages, anyone who is moronic enough to buy one deserves to get ripped off! | |
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join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | Re: 4GB said by BiggA:People who are blatantly wasting bandwidth should stop, because they are negatively impacting the network for others.
1) Explain to me...what does "blatantly wasting bandwidth" mean? What is and isn't wasting bandwidth....I am sure some apps and sites are "wasting" while others are not? Lets delve into your opinion a little deeper.
2) You have any proof of those using multiple GB negatively hurting the network? | |
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join:2005-11-23
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| Re: 4GB Because you're running apps that aren't made to be run on licensed, cellular bandwidth (Netflix, streaming sports, Slingplayer, etc), and using data in ways that is not as efficient as possible (i.e. high bitrate audio), or in ways that could be replaced by local storage (Google Music, Spotify streaming, large file downloads, etc). Pandora is one of the few streaming apps that is bandwidth responsible, as it uses 32kbps AAC+ when streaming over a cell network, and will work just fine on EDGE or 1xRTT. It also saves battery to be able to use a utilize the cellular radio less when streaming.
If it wasn't the networks would be consistently running close to their theoretical maximum, yet we see places where cell networks completely come to a halt because of high traffic- so yes, congestion is an issue. Maybe LTE isn't right now, but it will get saturated eventually... | |
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join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI | said by BiggA:My point was that upping that cap isn't really that useful since a heavy smartphone user uses around 1GB-1.5GB. People who are blatantly wasting bandwidth should stop, because they are negatively impacting the network for others. I wish that Verizon, AT&T, and all the rest would throttle at 2GB for EVERYONE and call it a day. That being said, it is funny that Verizon offers bigger packages, anyone who is moronic enough to buy one deserves to get ripped off!
If the wireless providers need to throttle they will and actually do. If Verizion feels that their 4G network can handle customers using up to 20gb per month, then who are you in saying that people should be throttled? | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | For reference, I am a heavy, high-bandwidth smartphone user, and my monthly usage was 300-500MB on Android. I'm in the first month with my new 4S, but next month should give me a much better gauge on my usage with this device. | |
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join:2005-11-23
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| Verizon sells the higher packages because it's a numbers game. If a noticeable percentage of their customers subscribed to the higher packages, they would be in trouble bigtime. I think that the carriers should be required to throttle by default, however, so that people don't end up with unexpected domestic data charges on their bill.
The marketing and engineering departments of the carriers are out of whack, and the engineering departments need to reign in marketing departments who show streaming video and the like over 3G/4G networks. Some of the ads they come up with is appalling, and very ignorant of the limited nature of spectrum on mobile networks. Did they intend for that Netflix app to be used over licensed spectrum, however? You can use it with Wifi with ground-based backhaul. The math on Netflix OTA makes no sense, as you'd end up running over your cap in a few hours. That's why the cap is there: to discourage network abuse. If I were in Verizon's place, however, I wouldn't be putting Netflix on there be default, as people will somehow get the brilliant idea to stream OTA. Why people have the desire to stream OTA in the first place to a tiny little screen is a whole different issue.
Pandora sounds pretty good, even at 32kbps. It's a lot more than "bearable". It also is decent on the battery running at 32kbps. 3G was meant for data, but it can't support large quantities of streaming. That's what unlicensed wifi, and wired connectivity, is for. Those apps are intended to be used over wifi, not over 3G. There's also a reason why they limit the size of app downloads over 3G. | |
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| | Is doubling for the life of 2 year contract? Is not clear. Do you get the doubling for a month or 3 or for the life of the 2 year contract? | |
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| | | Re: Is doubling for the life of 2 year contract? said by xenophon:Is not clear. Do you get the doubling for a month or 3 or for the life of the 2 year contract?
I agree we need more info.I just re uped and am waiting for delivery of a 3g phone.If this offer is for life of contract I might switch to a 4g. | |
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VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | But, But...I thought Verizon couldnt do this without severely damaging their system!!!!
Remember, anyone using the 2gb cap MUST stay under or else everyone elses internet will slow down! | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | As predicted While Karl does his best to rain on the parade, VZW's latest move affirms what I've been saying for years - we need not fear UBB; carriers will adjust bucket sizes to accommodate the masses and growth in average consumption. | |
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join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY | But Verizon is losing money now!! But Verizon was claiming that bandwidth isn't cheap, and they weren't scamming their customers, and they were charging normal market rates, how can they suddenly offer twice as much data for the same mount of money?!?!
They must be losing huge amounts of money!!!
(Or they are greedy fucks trying to squeeze every dollar from consumers and in reality they have no network bandwidth problems whatsoever...You decide).
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join:2007-09-25
Greensboro, NC
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1 edit | This is fishy... What was the point in the original cap in the first place? The fact that Verizon Wireless is even running this promotion rules out the "congestion" excuse of having caps in the first place. Yes, increase the cap, and lengthen the contract by TWO YEARS! Who would do this? I mean, we are talking about double the cap, whoopdeedoo! Why would any "normal" consumer be interested in this deal if only the top 1% of said users consume 80% of available capacity? The normal consumer doesn't care...did I miss something here?
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| | Verizon Fraud What good is all this increased or unlimited data when Verizon still refuses to acknowledge a problem that exists on every single one of their smartphones? Namely, that the internet connection turns on and off all the live long day. Leave your internet on all night? I can guarantee you come morning time that you'll have to switch it off and on again to get internet. I can't watch Netflix because my connection will last about 5 minutes before needing to be restarted. I'm on my 4th Verizon LTE phone and they are all like that. I should state that I am well within the LTE coverage area and I rarely even use the internet outside my house. I had a Samsung LTE mobile hotspot device that never had this problem but for some reason all of Verizon's phones do, even the Samsung branded Charge. | |
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| | | Re: Verizon Fraud Dear Karl Bode,
Could you please give this issue more press and perhaps force Verizon's hand? Thank you. I'm tired of resetting my internet connection every 5 seconds just to even post on dslreports. | |
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| | This makes no sense for many folks This plan really doesn't make sense for many people. After all, if you're eligible for an upgrade on an existing line, and you already have a smartphone, then you would have gotten your last upgrade nearly two years ago, so you already have unlimited data, which you ought to be able to keep after an upgrade.
This deal only makes sense for:
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2. Existing customers adding a new line
3. Existing customers upgrading from a dumbphone | |
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I have a grandfathered Alltel aircard account...that's right, NO 5Gb cap. The contract ends next August but it's currently being used by a family friend suffering with an extended emergency (he pays me for it, of course). LTE also isn't available in my area yet -- it missed me by 10 miles!! -- but I'm sure it's coming.
It would be very nice if this plan was around next fall. The $30/4GB plan would be awesome, especially now that we're nearly empty nesters.  | |
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join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI
1 edit | Re: Rip-off said by zeddlar:A rip off is a rip off is a rip off and no matter how much you dress it up to look like a cute bunny these caps are still a rip off. I have unlimited and nope I don't even use a GB most months and I don't thing I have ever used 2GB but it is still a rip off to cap service this low with prices that high. Feel sorry for all the newer customers and for us with unlimited when that plan gets yanked.
A satellite internet customer complaining about another services caps? That's pretty funny! | |
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We jumped to Alltel when it became available and it worked *great* until Verizon Wireless took over. I have to say, Alltel's customer service and value was exceptional, as was their policy of true unlimited bandwidth. We depended on that aircard account until two weeks ago, when DSL *FINALLY* became available. VZW, however, has been very good at not forcing us to terminate our contract. When I had to make a choice last year they were happy to lock us in on the grandfathered plan, so we still have a 3G aircard with no cap. Regular money is regular money, and as much as they tease and tempt with shiny new phones and networks they're not going to cut you off your current service if you decide to re-up.
Our family use on the VZW aircard was about 20Gb a month, but that went down when they refused to deal with a tower issue and our maximum d/l speed was 30-40Kb. Even with the Install From Hell inflicted by Frontier, DSL is sheer heaven compared to what we've put up with.
I'd love an LTE aircard. We'd need our finances to loosen up a bit between now and next fall IF the deal stays available a long time, but mobile broadband has spoiled us rotten during extended trips.
Seriously, I hope a better ISP comes your way soon. | |
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join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Broadban..
| ca The caps at this low size is total bs. If people going over 2 gigs hurts their network than maybe a network inspection is in order.. They are in the business to deliver data and lots of it.. T1 lines supplying a tower covering hundreds of homes was a misuse of funds and should be corrected immediately. In theory 4g should be cheaper than 3g for users.. But we've yet to see this happen ::cough::cha ching ::cough::.
2 gigs for smart phones.... Try 5g verizon (if they must cap that is).. And 20 gigs for home use at the least... And god forbid, try to be reasonable. 80 for ten gigs (20gigs with the promotion) is still way to freaking expensive! Don't even get me started on the overages... Retarded. | |
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It's mostly netflix bandwidth since I work overnights at work, and silverlight isn't installed on the pc's | |
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