 | | Google is about to change. When Google succeeds in this venture (and they will), The big telcos are going to be lobbying hard to get them to be confined only to Kentucky. Google is going to release the information on just how cheap it is to provide the service and people might start calling their congressman about being ripped off by the Telcos. This would also give them the content that they wanted to get for their GoogleTV. It seems like a win win for everybody. | |
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I really hope they do figure out how to grow fiber on trees. Maybe they will come up with a way to plant other equipment that will grow in fields. Google hasn't found some secret way to provide this stuff on the cheap. They have endless piles of cash to throw at their "R&D" projects. | |
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2 edits | Re: Google is about to change. Dont forget how Google will ALSO demonstrate how the carriage fees the cable co's , telcos, satellite, have to deal with are a Fantasy as well. *rolleyes*
I love when people pop out and blurt out a ridiculous opinion with a factual delivery.
"ripped off by the Telco's" Companies are in business to make money, Google will be in it for money as well. I dont see any cable co or telco stock going through the roof for the last 10 years.
Unless of course, did I miss Googles "non-profit" announcements ?
There is nothing revolutionary going on here with Google. They are releasing a fiber product like 6 years after Verizon FioS. They get the luxury of providing equipment 6 years more modern. If they wanted to, Verizon could do the same, but until Gbps is actually NEEDED, you wont be seeing it. | |
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| Re: Google is about to change. said by ITALIAN926:...but until Gbps is actually NEEDED, you wont be seeing it.
I doubt you would even see it offered when it is needed. | |
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kudos:3 | Nope... but google is smart enough to realize that the majority of cable tv revenue comes from ad insertion. Hmmm, ever wonder what google is in the business of...?
Google kinda gets it. Not ever product line has to be revenue positive to be a success. Sometimes you use one product line, at a loss or break even, to make another one a success. Amazon has figured this out.. I'm sure google does too. Oh, wait.. they have.. ever heard of Android?
Comcast, ATT, Verizon, ... all of them haven't been able to break free of old ways of thinking.. they come from the school of "if it's not turning a profit, then dump it..." While that sounds about right, it's not... not in today's economic mind.
And for the record, Verizon isn't exactly "revolutionary" either.. they launched fiber about 8 years after WinFirst/Surewest.
The market place is an INCREDIBLE artist's canvas. The market place isn't always about what makes common sense.. creativity properly applies will typically win out in the end. | |
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Brewster, WA | said by battleop:"Google is going to release the information on just how cheap it is to provide the service"
I really hope they do figure out how to grow fiber on trees. Maybe they will come up with a way to plant other equipment that will grow in fields. Google hasn't found some secret way to provide this stuff on the cheap. They have endless piles of cash to throw at their "R&D" projects.
That's not true, when google started out they just didn't just start filling racks up with standard big vendor server hardware sold to them at the market price. They rolled their own solutions that met their needs best going forward.
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| | | | | Re: Google is about to change. Fiber costs anywhere from $12000 to $25000 per mile to deploy. If there was a cheaper way to do it I am sure that way would have been found by now. I can't see that Google is going to come up with some revolutionary way to cut that cost. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Google is about to change. ... perhaps google understands the economy a bit different than others. Cost up front.. so what. Many people our in the marketplace to make an immediate ROI.. perhaps people haven't gotten it yet, but Google MAY also realize the long term return on investment.. putting up the infrustructure now and getting it out of the way so they can find ways to monetize that network in more ways than bleeding the customer.
I have high hopes that google will be creative and approach things differently than the incumbents have so far. The industry needs a good shakeup. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Google is about to change. "Cost up front.. so what."
I don't have a problem with that, if a company is doing it with their money. I have a problem with the thought that deploying fiber is so cheap that companies are making insanely high amounts of profit. My point is that bandwidth to the masses cost more than $1/mb and that laying or stringing fiber does not as cheap as many around here think. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Google is about to change. .. honest question.. when you speak of a "company" in general, why do you (and many others) always focus on the price per meg as a justification as to the price of the product?
... You can't run a business on the price if costs them to transport a meg of data because that doesn't include any of the other overhead AND profit margins.. as they are entitled to make a profit.
Want something to hit you in the face? .. I run a small business.. 22 employees. It costs me $48,000 a year, alone in workman's comp insurance. The average customer receipt is $20.00.. with out going into great details about my business, I can tell you that it costs about $4.38 per customer to service their needs in supplies and labor.. and the company, when all is said and done, is barely breaking even due to the current economy. (many people call those the un-fees, or "cost of doing business"...)
But the fact is that it cost a lot of money to run a business and most of the costs are not from the cost of the product or service itself.
I could also care less what their profit is.. the market place should decide what it can handle. Where MY issue comes from is when they control or purchase favor from the government to set their own rules in which protects their profits which defeat the open market place... | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Google is about to change. Your reading comprehension sucks. Your post backs up exactly what I am saying. There a more costs besides that $1/Mb. | |
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2 edits | Re: Google is about to change. My mistake.. what you said could have been easily mus-understood. I was just testing you.  | |
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| | | | Although sarcasm is good, it can also be used in bad taste. Nobody is denying the upfront cost of this project is a lot. But, if they sell their services even below the current price that the other Telcos are selling for, the cost would be repaid in about 3 years, After that the rest is just management cost and profits. The other companies could have already rolled out 1g sym to almost every home in America for the kind of profits that they take home, but instead they choose to play a utility selling water (which they are not). The services that are going to be offered on by this service from Google is going to show the most non technical people of America that they are being held back and they are going to demand more services for their hard earned money, at least i sure as hell hope they do. | |
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| Re: Google is about to change. 3 years , eh? When you come up with YOUR facts, do you randomly pick numbers outve your head, or do you throw numbers into a hat?
You want "1g sym" , and you have NO USE for such bandwidth ! Its absolutely ridiculous that you think this will change the world. Verizon didnt change the world, and they wired up hundreds of towns/cities with fiber. Google will have to play by the same rules as all the other MSO's, except they may have a DVR that forces users to watch ads.
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Evanston, IL | Re: Google is about to change. Verizon does not offer Fiber speeds either. To most consumers it isn't any different than the products already offered. | |
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"you have NO USE for such bandwidth", that statement is total bullshit. First of all i have always wanted to run 4 simultaneous usenet providers at the same time, each with 3 connections and bandwidth of about 500 Megabits, the other 500 megabits would go towards my servers and in house use. I already paid for termination from a voip provider and I have always wanted to handle most of my call routings from inside my home, but couldn't because i never had the "bandwidth" to do so, so i would have to lease server space and bandwidth from another company to handle all the calls of my customers in the future. I use remote access a lot and have always wanted to be able to view the screen in real time in 60 frames a second, or even stream high def movies and files from my computer, with that much bandwidth file transfer from home to anywhere with a good internet connection would be great, and i can go on and on about "USES" for that bandwidth. STOP talking shit about "NO USE" it's the people like me that tell you how to use that bandwidth if you don't know how to do it. Their are millions of things that people are not doing now that would need a lot of bandwidth in the future. Just calm down. | |
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| Re: Google is about to change. Wow you are completely out of touch from reality. You have no idea what 99.99% of the rest of the population is doing with their internet services.
The ISP's dont give two craps what YOUR wishes are, they care about what the other 99.99% are doing NOW, and protecting their revenues. Pipes that large mainly create innovation for one thing, VIDEO.
Im pretty calm by the way, if you feel so optimistic about what Google is doing, by a share or two of their stock.
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Verizon does not offer Fiber speeds either. To most consumers it isn't any different than the products already offered.
Nice OPINION. The other services being provided are fiber one way or another. Another educated comment by you, its quite entertaining. Verizon is selling 150/65 right now, thats not "fiber speed"? Since when? Google? Give me a break. | |
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Charlotte, NC | Re: Google is about to change. Those needs are 1 in a million and the reason ISP put on caps. Google is getting a lot of breaks. If doings this was so cheap and profitable why did Verizon halt Fios? It would be nice to see the telcos step to the plate and offer fiber to almost everyone. | |
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kudos:3 | 150/65 huh? ... at what price?? are they selling that fiber speed at residential rates? .. I think not.
Comcast could sell a 200mb speed service, but if you price it at $350.00 for residential, how many people are going to buy it?
There is a fiber carrier in NorCal that offers "fiber speeds" at "residential" prices and yet they don't seem to have all these problems that the likes of Time Warner, Comcast, and everyone else seems to say will happen.
Protecting their revenue is one thing so long as they are not posting losses.. but, to protect their revenue by disallowing the consumer to use their service (comcast) is not protecting their revenue.. that should be criminal. And yes, I'm picking on Comcast for one reason.. they have a cap, period.. cross it one too many times and you're gone.. there's no option for overage and they haven't raised the caps since 2008. In other words, it's not protecting anything.. it's rationing...
I'm one of the first people to keep government out of the private sector.. I'm all for business being able to set their own rules, but I'm against fascism which is what we are dealing with these days - it's pretty damn clear. | |
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kudos:4 | said by ITALIAN926:3 years , eh? When you come up with YOUR facts, do you randomly pick numbers outve your head, or do you throw numbers into a hat?
You want "1g sym" , and you have NO USE for such bandwidth ! Its absolutely ridiculous that you think this will change the world. Verizon didnt change the world, and they wired up hundreds of towns/cities with fiber. Google will have to play by the same rules as all the other MSO's, except they may have a DVR that forces users to watch ads.
lol
VZ didn't change the world except make it nice for the lucky few they decided to cherrypick. Cable would be feeling the sting if fios was nationwide. | |
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kudos:3 | Wow! innovative! .. run fiber optics to the home and offer DOCSIS speeds. Yea, verizon learned a lot.
When it comes to the internet it IS about "if you build it, they will come".. however, these ass hat dinosaur execs are opening up the taps little as necessary while THEY have already come! .. they just forget that it was in fact built. | |
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kudos:4 | said by battleop:"Google is going to release the information on just how cheap it is to provide the service" We know we're getting raped with cable/sat, this will let us see how badly. | |
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| | | | Re: Google is about to change. hahah, yea i made a mistake about the location. However my point still remains, that this project is going to cause a few changes in the US. | |
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| | | said by saneblane :When Google succeeds in this venture (and they will), The big telcos are going to be lobbying hard to get them to be confined only to Kentucky. Google is going to release the information on just how cheap it is to provide the service and people might start calling their congressman about being ripped off by the Telcos. This would also give them the content that they wanted to get for their GoogleTV. It seems like a win win for everybody.
So, the rule of thumb is that content costs are around half of your monthly cable TV bill. You can be certain that the content people will not cut Google a great deal - the new players without scale always get screwed on price. The content providers also force bundling of their various channels together, which has made ala carte impossible - you get all of ESPN or none of ESPN. This will limit how cheaply they can offer video on top of internet.
It will also be interesting if they use a STB or try for a PC based model - content providers worry about protecting content played on PCs versus more secure STBs. Since they own Motorola STB division, they could take that hardware with Android on top or use their crappy google TV box.
Also will be interesting what they do with VOD - will they leverage youTube or build a separate infrastructure?
And who is going to install this? Much harder to install a TV service that internet - you can use WiFi to connect cable boxes (ATT is doing this now), but it isn't as reliable as wired networks.
Does anyone know if their fiber network is multicast enabled? Multicast is a lot more efficient at delivering live TV than unicast. I don't know anything about Google's network architecture, but you pretty much end up with a pyramid, with content originating at one point and getting distributed down the pyramid to each user. You need bigger than 1 Gb/s pipes to get to the the edge routers.
TV content is a lot more consistent bandwidth usage than normal internet content and their metro network will need to support this - I assume that they are designing their network for video and not pure internet model.
Pricing of the whole service will really depend on if Google ever expects to get a return on this investment or if they just write this whole thing off as an experiment. If they want to at least break even, since their costs are close to those of the incumbents or the smaller ISPs, what they charge will be close. They can try to save money be reducing support, but that hasn't worked well in this space.
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| Re: Google is about to change. what? its gonna be 1gb full symmetrical fiber to the home. it doesn't matter if they use multicast or not. they aren't forced to over-compress anything on those lines. Verizon has no problems ...and most of their network isn't 1gbit capable.
It will make google no difference ... and you are not thinking outside the box. If a major network wont play ..google has the money ..and the network to simply stream it via netflix, hulu, or whomever else ..and stream it at broadcast quality.
I assume that this network is being built with cloud services in mind ...tv is just an added perk that costs next to nothing to implement after the network is in place ... at least cost next to nothing for Google.
Lastly ..i doubt they care as much about the tv as they do having the fiber internet ... full cloud capable computing to the masses ..and controlling adds on an individual basis. | |
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| | | | | Re: Google is about to change. said by StLCardsFan:what? its gonna be 1gb full symmetrical fiber to the home. it doesn't matter if they use multicast or not. they aren't forced to over-compress anything on those lines. Verizon has no problems ...and most of their network isn't 1gbit capable.
It will make google no difference ... and you are not thinking outside the box. If a major network wont play ..google has the money ..and the network to simply stream it via netflix, hulu, or whomever else ..and stream it at broadcast quality.
I assume that this network is being built with cloud services in mind ...tv is just an added perk that costs next to nothing to implement after the network is in place ... at least cost next to nothing for Google.
Lastly ..i doubt they care as much about the tv as they do having the fiber internet ... full cloud capable computing to the masses ..and controlling adds on an individual basis.
Verizon doesn't deliver live TV over their internet side - they use a conventional HFC cable system. They do deliver VOD over internet, but that is relatively low usage compared to live viewing.
So, the live TV channels have to originate somewhere on the network and flow from that place to each viewer.
Assume they go for high quality and compress HD at 10 mb/s and SD at 3 mb/s.
So, 100 HD channels fill up the 1 Gb/s. ( In theory, you will not be able to achieve that with TCP/IP without tweaking)
So, either the links in the metro network are larger than 1 Gb/s (they are) and/or they have more edge routers serving fewer numbers of subscribers and run bigger links from the metro network to the edge routers (they do).
If I do unicast, have to send a separate copy to each person watching the same HD channel and have to have a server to "split" the original copy to make one for each viewer.
If we use multicast, the network takes care of that and that single source copy gets replicated as needed by the network, but only one copy goes over any one network link no matter how many people are watching it.
So, if they run 4 Gb/s links from the metro to the edge, I can have 400 people viewing HD off of that edge router if it is unicast (and no one wants to use the internet). If it is multicast, I can serve 400 different channels in the same bandwidth, independent of how many people are watching each channel. This scales a lot better.
live TV is hard to deliver well over networks because it uses a continuous high bitrate and isn't very tolerant of not getting enough bandwidth. Netflix uses rate adaptive streaming to adapt the bitrate and quality to whatever the network can support. In theory, you could also do this with live TV, but the number of encoders requires increases a lot and costs go up.
As Google builds a network more like the incumbents and deliver services like the incumbents, their cost structure will become more like the incumbents. Some things (network, fiber) will be cheaper since they are starting later, but other costs (installation, buildout, support, content) will be pretty much the same for all players. If they expect to earn a profit on this project, they will need to charge closer to what the incumbents do. | |
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| Re: Google is about to change. yeah im not technical enough to understand how it all works. I would assume there is more bandwidth available than 1gb ... if they are building it from the ground up each home connection must be at least 10gb capable? I dunno.
Maybe they will give 2 strands of glass to each house...one for tv and one for internet? I wouldn't figure on Google cutting corners when they are spending the kind of money they are to build it....but then again i dunno. | |
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| said by BeakersBro:... they could take that hardware with Android on top or use their crappy google TV box.
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Just an FYI: GoogleTV runs Android. | |
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| | | | | Re: Google is about to change. said by FBGuy:said by BeakersBro:... they could take that hardware with Android on top or use their crappy google TV box.
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Just an FYI: GoogleTV runs Android. Sorry, wasn't very clear - by "that hardware" i meant existing Moto IPTV STBs. i am not sure if they have ported Linux to that hardware already.
The GoogleTV interface and remote control wasn't usable by normal humans. They are obviously trying to fix this for round 2. | |
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| | | said by saneblane :Google is going to release the information on just how cheap it is to provide the service
And when they tell people that TV service costs what it costs, people will cast them as evil like they currently do the cable companies. | |
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| | | | Re: Google is about to change. no wait until Google tells those customers that if they want support they have to go online to some help website or to send and email to them and hope you get a reply. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Google is about to change. Their merchant services still do not have a customer service phone number. | |
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San Luis Obispo, CA | Bring on the competition I hope they're successful. We need more competition and options. | |
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My biggest hope from all of this is that we get true pick and play (pick what stations you you want to subscribe to on an individual basis instead of over priced bundles of crap to get the 1 channel you want) and increased network broadcast (such as OTA local affiliates over IPTV)...
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| Re: FANTASTIC said by stunod2002:This is fantastic!!! Finally someone with the money and balls to step in and disrupt the BS that the cable guys and big time producers (NBC, ABC, FOX, etc..) put in front of us..
My biggest hope from all of this is that we get true pick and play (pick what stations you you want to subscribe to on an individual basis instead of over priced bundles of crap to get the 1 channel you want) and increased network broadcast (such as OTA local affiliates over IPTV)...
That will be up to the networks and content providers to allow À la carte. Google cannot do it without the approval from those providers. And I don't see why they would treat Google any differently than the other providers. | |
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| | | | Re: FANTASTIC If anyone has the clout to pull it off it would be Google... They can work wonders with the promise of ad revenue and they control it all...
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You're delusional...
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| | | | | said by stunod2002:If anyone has the clout to pull it off it would be Google... They can work wonders with the promise of ad revenue and they control it all...
I really doubt it. Google TV is their most epic fail ever. About the only thing google should be doing in the TV business is YouTube pretty much. Microsoft is much better than Google when it comes to TV. | |
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| | Underwhelming Google seems to have a pretty good history of underwhelming. I predict their foray into TV will be likewise. The set-top boxes will be in beta for 5 years. Customer support is via a forum only, and basically nobody from Google will ever respond to your problems. It will take 2 or 3 years to get a well functioning Youtube on it that comes close to the online version. The UI will be convoluted and difficult to navigate. It will probably lack DVR functionality. It will be priced somewhat lower than cable, but with enough drawbacks that few outside of the geek and fanboy clique actually subscribes. But most important, Google will record every show you watch, every channel you use, and unbeknownst to customers, the camera and mic will be listening, watching, recording, and aggregating everything that goes on in your house - purely for the purpose of making sure everything is okay and your house in not on fire.
Orwell had it mostly correct, only it isn't just the government that is watching your every move, thought, and action. Everybody is watching. Starting with Google. | |
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| Re: Underwhelming Why do people think that products in beta are worse than products that leave beta? If a product is in beta, that means that users still have some influence over the final product. Can someone really explain how this is a bad thing?
I know that Gmail was in beta for a very long time, but unless you are blind, they are still making changes even after it has been taken out of beta. | |
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| | | said by franknalco:Google seems to have a pretty good history of underwhelming. I predict their foray into TV will be likewise. The set-top boxes will be in beta for 5 years. Customer support is via a forum only, and basically nobody from Google will ever respond to your problems. It will take 2 or 3 years to get a well functioning Youtube on it that comes close to the online version. The UI will be convoluted and difficult to navigate. It will probably lack DVR functionality. It will be priced somewhat lower than cable, but with enough drawbacks that few outside of the geek and fanboy clique actually subscribes. But most important, Google will record every show you watch, every channel you use, and unbeknownst to customers, the camera and mic will be listening, watching, recording, and aggregating everything that goes on in your house - purely for the purpose of making sure everything is okay and your house in not on fire.
Orwell had it mostly correct, only it isn't just the government that is watching your every move, thought, and action. Everybody is watching. Starting with Google.
I think buying Motorola, assuming they don't ignore what Moto knows, will give them a bug advantage here - Moto has video encoders, STBs, and access to the middleware to make this work.
The hard things about Tv services are sports blackouts, Emergency Alerts, ad-insertion on live TV, and keeping the content secure to keep the content providers happy. This is all doable. but the learning curve can be high.
And the cable/IPTV guys already know every time you change the channel on any two-way STB now. However, they don't use that directly to target ads to you. Targeted ads on live TV is really hard and Google doesn't have any of the patents in that space.
And anyone who lets a STB into their house with a camera and a microphone is crazy - someone will be watching.
This could take a couple of years to get right, but will be shorter than 5
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| | | | Re: Underwhelming I look forward to disruption in this space. Just not sure Google will be the one to pull it off. They certainly missed the mark with Music - though not entirely their fault. They do rely on an industry that is probably the slowest adopter of new ideas since the Catholic Church. | |
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New Cumberland, PA | said by franknalco:It will probably lack DVR functionality.
Google did acquire Sage TV recently (and many who use their PC as a media center swear by the software) so they might have something up their sleeve.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SageTV
I also believe they acquired Motorola's set-top box business when the bought Motorola Mobility. | |
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| Do you have any idea what the markup is on FiOS? Do any of you? It is freaking HUGE. Also, don't give me that CRAP about how Verizon had to build FiOS out and how much that cost-it's CRAP! Verizon's legacy copper plant was long obsolete and was/is literally being held together with clip leads (splicing clamps). One way or another they HAD to replace their 60 plus year old plant. Fiber cost a lot less then copper to purchase and install - as does packet switched vs circuit switched phone exchanges (circuit switched requires a copper pair for each customer all the way back to the central office and then also bridge tapped all over the place---AND it requires a huge central office to TERMINATE each copper pair-while packet switching is a 100% bridged connection). Not only that, Verizon bought out the FCC and was able to get them to rule that they don't have to service competitors from their fiber plant - essentially undoing competition over time (look at what Verizon did to DSL Extreme with fiber Internet-they simply said "we are not playing any more, now go away"). What Google is doing is a GOOD thing, as they are not nearly as greedy as the big V. | |
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Second, they might have to use that markup to support their copper network and other things they need. Their fiber network doesn't exist in a universe all its own.
Also, I have not seen anything that says Google is going to let Tom, Dick, and Harry rent space on their fiber to be an ISP. | |
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| Re: Do you have any idea what the markup is on FiOS? Yea, FiOS markup is HUGE !
lmao
Obviously this guy is sitting on VZ's board or something.
Mostly aywhere there is FiOS, there is copper plant for the CLECs to use. All of your points are irrelevant. If the government wants Verizon to allow competition over their fiber plant, as a dealmaker they should kick in a few billion so Verizon could spread FiOS further. | |
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3 edits | Re: Do you have any idea what the markup is on FiOS? said by ITALIAN926:Yea, FiOS markup is HUGE !
lmao
Obviously this guy is sitting on VZ's board or something.
Mostly aywhere there is FiOS, there is copper plant for the CLECs to use. All of your points are irrelevant. If the government wants Verizon to allow competition over their fiber plant, as a dealmaker they should kick in a few billion so Verizon could spread FiOS further.
They already DID! You don't know that Verizon (and the earlier Bell operating companies) got govt. subsidies to build out their copper plants in the first place? They had close to a 100 year monopoly-and now they will have another 100 year monopoly with fiber and wireless. You didn't know that simply selling the copper for scrap justifies the conversion to fiber? Indeed, the only reason they stopped building the fiber plant is because they realized that they own enough wireless spectrum to provide everything they can on FiOs wirelessly using LTE. You don't realize that they are sitting on close to a billion dollars in mortgage free real estate (mostly in prime downtown areas) they won't need any more once they convert over to a packet switched network?
The VZ copper plant here where I live (overbuilt with FiOS) is so pathetic that I can barely get 3 mbps DSL speeds-and I'm only 1/2 mile from the phone office! How can a CLEC offer the 25/25 speeds and HDTV that VZ offers? Fact is, they can't - because VZ rigged the deck to make it that way. | |
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| Re: Do you have any idea what the markup is on FiOS? How do they have a monopoly when you have satellite and cable offering these same services? Do you know what a monopoly is? You clec cheerleaders think its right to just get a free ride on someone elses network, a simply ridiculous concept. The 96 telecom act never shouldve happened.
The fact is that today there IS competition, clecs should go the way of the dodo bird.
Government subsidies? You honestly think that the old AT&T was hard up for cash? Back then it was a filthy rich company !
Billion in real estate? Even if your number is right, a billion dollars to Verizon is a drop in the bucket. What did they invest in FiOS, 30-40 billion thus far? and you want access to that? Softswitches or not, their fiber is run to most of those buildings, and they still need offices.
Worried about your 3mbps DSL being too slow when you have FiOS as an option?, purposefully avoiding it because youre a VZ hater or clec employee? lol Give me a break.
Nothing was "rigged". Verizon is a company with shareholders. They never would have built out FiOS if they had to continue to share it UNFAIRLY with companies.
AND LTE cannot handle the capacity of what FiOS offers, not even close. | |
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Tulsa, OK | This is a test. Google is going to test several products... ... on this network. This was the whole point of building it. | |
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| | | Re: This is a test. Google is going to test several products... said by KrK:... on this network. This was the whole point of building it.
The ballsy move would be for AT&T to delivery Uverse over Google's network - if they didn't have to pay for network costs, how low could they offer TV for? | |
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