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Re: If T-Mobile can do it...If AT&T had their HSPA+ up before T-Mobile they wouldn't have complained either. | |
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2012-Mar-8 10:54 am
Re: If T-Mobile can do it...I wouldn't have a problem, but '4G' typically refers to HSPA+ (even by AT&T's own standards), and the iPhone 4S is 'only' HSPA at 14.4 Mbps. | |
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2012-Mar-8 12:41 pm
Re: If T-Mobile can do it...The RTR8605 chip is an HSPA+ chip. | |
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2012-Mar-8 2:27 pm
Re: If T-Mobile can do it...Interesting... HSPA+ radio (QAM 64), but still limited to 14.4Mbps. | |
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Re: If T-Mobile can do it...said by en103:Interesting... HSPA+ radio (QAM 64), but still limited to 14.4Mbps. It's not a Category 14 chip, its a Cat. 10 HSDPA chip which means no 64QAM so its limited at 14.4mbit/s including overhead. | |
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T-Mobile's is a lot faster and "4G'ish" speeds. | |
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2012-Mar-8 9:45 am
Verizon users should sue AppleSince AT&T version was "upgraded" to 4G and theirs wasn't. | |
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Tomek
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2012-Mar-8 9:47 am
Confused customersI seen posts on facebook how apple fanboys were raving that their iphone got upgraded to 4G. Most customers don't know, don't care. | |
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2012-Mar-8 9:56 am
Re: Confused customerssaid by Tomek:I seen posts on facebook how apple fanboys were raving that their iphone got upgraded to 4G. Most customers don't know, don't care. LTE isn't 4G... WiMax isn't 4G... HSPA+ isn't 4G... they are all Faux G! | |
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2012-Mar-8 10:03 am
Re: Confused customerssaid by dib22:they are all Faux G! Who honestly cares besides a few forum lurkers? | |
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Re: Confused customersBesides, aint nothing but a G-Thang | |
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said by openbox9:said by dib22:they are all Faux G! Who honestly cares besides a few forum lurkers? Everyone that thinks it is BS that companies can blatently lie. Also the general public in this country is pretty damn stupid, they believe anything on a commercial. That is why marketing works so well. We should not allow companies to lie to vulnerable people. Its like seeing someone take advantage of a mentally retarded person. Would you just sit back and let it happen?? | |
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2012-Mar-9 5:58 am
Re: Confused customersYou're comparing the general public to the mentally handicapped?
What does "4G" mean to the layperson? Honest question. | |
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2012-Mar-9 10:00 pm
Re: Confused customers4G to a lay person means up to 100 Mbit/s for moble devices and up to 1 Gbit/s for stationary devices. To an expert it means even more than that.
Now to the vulnerable americans it means whatever a company tells them through a tv commercial.
Apple is calling 3G services 4G now that they see no one is losing any false advertisement lawsuits for lying to consumers. Companies say they are 4G but are not actually offering 4G speeds. | |
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2012-Mar-10 10:55 am
Re: Confused customerssaid by r81984:4G to a lay person means up to 100 Mbit/s for moble devices and up to 1 Gbit/s for stationary devices. I call BS on that suggestion. Please point me to a layperson (e.g. basic iPhone user) that knows about some obscure, now irrelevant from a marketing point of view, technical specification. For that matter, show me one of these people that understands what 3G or even 2G means. | |
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said by r81984:4G to a lay person means up to 100 Mbit/s for moble devices and up to 1 Gbit/s for stationary devices. To an expert it means even more than that.
Now to the vulnerable americans it means whatever a company tells them through a tv commercial.
Apple is calling 3G services 4G now that they see no one is losing any false advertisement lawsuits for lying to consumers. Companies say they are 4G but are not actually offering 4G speeds. 1 Gbits huh? Max your data cap in less than 1 minute. How much fun would that be? | |
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2012-Mar-8 10:55 am
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The carriers and Apple only goal is to make $ and not helping you make informed decisions. That said, it really is crazy difficult to really figure what speeds to expect for any "G". It varies so much.
I have been lucky as a NYC resident. All my speeds are way better then most and even I feel ripped off. I feel like a d*#k for paying for Wimax that typically gives me only 8-10 down. My verizon and sprint 3g have been 1m down or worse the last 6 months.
How the hell do we keep putting up with this? LTE is soo good 21 down typcailly but prices suck and it seems to not work well when I travel too far from Manhattan | |
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the reality of things is that the "Gs" are just marketing terms. While they have technical meaning to those who know, in the real world they are marketing. And the sad truth is we will be up to 10g when the technology is at 5g and the deployed networks at at 3g for most of the nation still. | |
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2012-Mar-8 9:53 am
Don't Feel Left Out!Jailbreak your iPhone and use the "Fake Carrier" app! | |
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Re: Don't Feel Left Out!said by pnh102:Jailbreak your iPhone and use the "Fake Carrier" app! I did at one time just before the Verizon announcement. Freaked a few people out when I told them I was beta testing the Verizon iPhone... lol But I'm not sure it can change 3G to 4G on the display? | |
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2012-Mar-9 1:49 am
Re: Don't Feel Left Out!You can change it to anything.
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Can't Blame them.With everyone else doing it, I don't blame apple for "upgrading" the iphone4S to faux-4G, I have to say I have a HSPA+ 21mbps galaxy S2 on AT&T for work, and I get 7 - 10mbps which ain't bad for faux-4G, doing normal tasks I don't notice a speed difference between it and my personal Verizon 4G phone, though the speed test for my LTE phones comes in much faster, 20-30mbps.
No point in getting upset now, the term 4G stopped meaning anything definitive a long time ago, LTE isn't even 4G, their all faux-4G. | |
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2012-Mar-8 10:07 am
Re: Can't Blame them.said by MovieLover76:No point in getting upset now, the term 4G stopped meaning anything definitive awhile ago. Bingo! | |
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said by MovieLover76:... I have to say I have a HSPA+ 21mbps galaxy S2 on AT&T for work, and I get 7 - 10mbps which ain't bad for faux-4G... Agree about the AT&T speed... I also enjoy the speeds on my Faux G service with AT&T... wish sprint and verizon would upgrade their backhaul like at&t has the last few months. | |
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Re: Can't Blame them.I am in a rural area and all of my Verizon sites around me have fiber running to them. EV-DO is not all that fast compared to LTE never was but good enough for me till LTE upgrades come along and the cell sites are all ready for it in my area. | |
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Verizon has the back haul, it's just that ev-do is much older than hspa+ and can only do a maximum of 3.1mbps, so the 3G tech limits verizon's 3G network speeds. | |
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said by dib22:said by MovieLover76:... I have to say I have a HSPA+ 21mbps galaxy S2 on AT&T for work, and I get 7 - 10mbps which ain't bad for faux-4G... Agree about the AT&T speed... I also enjoy the speeds on my Faux G service with AT&T... wish sprint and verizon would upgrade their backhaul like at&t has the last few months. I would find it for you if I could, but there was an article on this site about 2 years ago showing Verizon upgrading their backhaul with fiber, whereas AT&T is still just adding T1's to their cell sites, I think you mistyped that and have it backwards. Matt | |
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Re: Can't Blame them.I remember that article also and actually seen it happen. Not just metro areas rural areas as well. Time Warner cable is actually the ones supplying it around me to Verizon for backhaul. | |
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2012-Mar-8 4:04 pm
Re: Can't Blame them.Yeah I also seem to remember something about not all cell towers carry this on VZW, I think some of them have wireless backhaul, of course I don't know what the service is like on those, however if you check my downloads screenshots you'll see I get a consistent at least 10Mbps connection.
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2012-Mar-8 10:07 am
Sounds like More Small Claims Courts CasesAs it appears that small claims court is the place to deal with marketing fraud there will be more cases involving at & t.
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Re: Sounds like More Small Claims Courts CasesNoone has sued t-mobile or AT&T over their hspa+ "4G" android phones so what makes you think that? They long ago got away with calling hspa+ 4G, if they didn't sue over android phones being called 4G the iphone is no different. | |
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Anon
2012-Mar-8 1:55 pm
Re: Sounds like More Small Claims Courts CasesDifference is that there have been two successfull cases recently in small claims court. One against Honda and I think one against at&t. This is a legal avenue that is a new one for going after corporate giants. Previously you had class action and other lawyer bait trials in the state and federal courts. This is a different way of dealing what the problem.
I am watching to see what happens next. | |
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so.the apple fanboys just says WOW this is why i love apple. | |
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2012-Mar-8 10:36 am
Thank the ITU for thisThank the ITU for doubling back and dumbing down what was supposed to be 4G (IMT-A 1Gb at the tower and 100Mb farther away) into meaning anything mobile providers want it to mean, just as unlimited really means limited. So previously the ITU said none of the carriers have 4G. Then they say that newer 3G is 4G except they still stick to 4G being IMT-A. A marketing windfall for US mobility who can now run SmokeSignal 4G ads.
Perhaps IMT-A should be 5 gazillion G since that is how many name changes marketing goons at mobile providers will barf up during the very long trip to real 4G service. | |
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2012-Mar-8 10:56 am
Woot 4G!Updated my ATT iPhone 4S last night to 5.1 and almost fell out of my chair when I saw the stupid "4G" text in the status bar. Didn't know the iOS 5.1 update contained an LTE radio! But really, this is quite silly, and you can blame AT&T AND Apple for this nonsense. Random for-shits-and-giggles-only speedtest attached. I guess for each Mbit of downstream, we get 1G. So I guess I'm at 4.32G | |
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Verizon and Sprint has a big problem w/ EVDOWell unless Verizon can start calling EVDO 4G at 1mbit they are going to have a real problem until the iphone 5 comes out. You just know the AT&T people are going to be all over this.
Marketing aside VZW while deciding to go to LTE has a big problem because the 3g/LTE integrated radios are just brewing and the current lot really SUCK. Maybe if you want to dole out $300 for a droid maxx and even that is a bandaid to the problem.
Tmo and T w/ HSPA+ can milk "3G" and have good speeds for years to come, while VZW and Sprint is going to have a cavern between EVDO and LTE. Sprint is just worse because their net as it sits is in PCS land and OMG my wifes OV can do 200kbits ON A GOOD Day.
VZW and Sprint are going to need to sunset 2G asap (and iden already), then start killing 3G--or just put feature phones on there. In any case that is good spectrum just dying for a new LTE home...
I actually considered dumping VZW and going to Tmo or T until Verizon sorts out this 4G LTE nightmare (on HSPA+), and I really cant stand my phone (Charge) which VZW is giving away if you are dopey enough to sign a 2 year contract with a phone which should be in the shredder. The last year on LTE is a disaster, and I just threw up my hands and lock it on wimpy 3G and hope that I get 1Mbit.
And then Verizon wonders why only 5% penetration rate on 4G. I mean if they count me as 4G thats a problem, because I only use 3G. In fact when I went to the corporate store they said the only way to "fix" the problem was to turn off 4G, and that's how THEY run their phones too. Too funny. | |
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2012-Mar-8 1:43 pm
I thought the 4G indicator was a fix for battery lifeiOS 5.1 said it fixed battery life issues. Since 4G phones drain battery faster than 3G phones, I figured the "fix" was to simply label the phone 4G. Problem solved. In reality though the whole 4G thing is muddled. I've gotten upwards of 8509 kbps on a speed test with my iPhone 4S (though the normal max is around 4 mbps). That's fast, but not as fast as the 24 mbps people with real 4G phones see. | |
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2012-Mar-8 2:00 pm
Is it just me......or is this insulting to the majority of non-technical iPhone users ? It's doing nothing but deceiving them (further). Fact is, many, many will believe they either had their hardware upgraded via software (hmmm, no, I take that back...) or Apple just "enabled" this option for them. | |
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ok apple...this so called 4G is very funny, HSPA+ isn't 4G, more like 3.5
LTE isn't 4G in my eyes either... LTE Advanced is we all know this, but they will market it as 5G.....the G thing is completely retarted, its funny cause it refers to their network, but truly I believe the carriers should of went straight to LTE Advanced due to demand and it would help more so than that of LTE...
Apple is playin ball with AT&T, prob to help fight the confusion of the iPhone 4 and 4s being 4G, ive had fam friends and others ask if those phones where 4G...of course not, the iPhone 4S may have HSPA+ but in no way is that 4G...AT&T wants it that way so people will keep quiet and they don't have to spend a lot for a roll out of LTE...it makes since that AT&T would want Apple to do this
Its their to confuse/trick the consumer, that way AT&T don't have to upgrade the areas with LTE, and instead just have HSPA+....
anyways, im getting less than 1mbps on my cell phone, and sometimes 0 lol thanks AT&T | |
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2012-Mar-8 2:44 pm
Verizon "4G" is pretty consistent in my experienceI actually love my Verizon 3.5G service, it's usually pretty consistent with me, I'll see if I can upload a few screen shots, either way it's not real 4G either, but I find it a little amusing that now all the sudden the iPhone 4S is 4G because of HSPA+ That last screenshot showing 19Mbps server was taken today, as you can see I average between 10 - 22Mbps service on the download and 2 - 5Mbps on the upload (However I have seen a few rare occasions where I get 5 - 12Mbps on the upload.) Matt | |
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4G for me BABY!WOOOOOO WOHOOO! 4G for me baby all the way! I about fell out of my chair with these blazing speeds! | |
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Re: 4G for me BABY!Wow Awesome dude, wow, .39 terrabits, that's not bad at all!
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linicx
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2012-Mar-8 8:29 pm
I don't much careAs far as I know my iPhone 4 is 3G and so is 4S. Supposedly it is capable of 4G when and if it is available - which is highly unlikely where I live - in the middle of Nowhere, USA. Sprint, Tmo and USCellular do not work without national roaming turned on. VZN does a fair job of not dropping calls but AT&T is horrible. I've had a lot of different phones in the last 8-10 years, but for my needs Apple does the best job. I'm not a fanboi when I pay a double charge for the privilege of linking to iTunes to upgrade. The more I deal with these phone companies they more I consider a no contract Wallyworld or Trac-Phone. | |
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2012-Mar-9 5:02 pm
Logo only on AT&TI have a factory unlocked, non-jailbroken 4S on my local carrier GCI. GCI has HSDPA+ 21 Mbps, but my phone, running 5.1, still shows 3G even though it is obviously on H+ (8.5 Mbps speed test result). | |
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