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Satellite is a better valueVerizon and AT&T aren't any better on pricing than the cable company on TV services. Just offer me a fast internet connection and I'll get my TV service elsewhere. | |
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Re: Satellite is a better valueThe problem I find with that is that the internet is priced way higher than the tv or phone, i used to use three providers cablevision for internet, directtv for tv and packet 8 for phone and I was paying $35 more than I pay for the fios bundle. | |
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Re: Satellite is a better valueThe sad part is, the cost to supply this hardware and technology has gone DOWN significantly since DVRs were introduced. Yet the rates go up...
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Re: Satellite is a better valueThis is why my tv comes from things like scnsrc.me or bit torrent. | |
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TiVoWhy not get a TiVo? It's a superior DVR in every respect to the offerings from the cableco (and presumably Verizon?) and will "only" set you back $12.95/mo. It will also stream Netflix, Amazon, Pandora and a bunch of other IP services.
My television outlay consists of an OTA antenna hooked up to TiVo. It's amazing how easy it is to get by on eight channels when TiVo records stuff 24/7 and you've got IPVideo to bridge the gap. | |
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Re: TiVoDoes Tivo have a whole house DVR system? | |
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Re: TiVoYes and no, mainly no. There isn't one in retail yet but TiVo does have a MoCA/Ethernet whole house solution in the pipeline. The boxes were shown off last summer and are due to ship to cable operators and retail soon. Some cable operators like RCN have early boxes already and new ones are heading to retail this summer. TiVo is also working with MSOs (e.g. Comcast) to get MSO On Demand content into TiVos. TiVo whole home setup uses a quad tuner DVR hub and then each TV gets an extender for streaming TV and DVR content. I don't have one so I don't know how well it works or if the features are lacking. Early on I read that the extenders were lacking some features but TiVo was pushing updates, adding features. » pr.tivo.com/easyir/custo ··· stom_150 | |
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Yeah right.
I dare you to try getting a TV + Internet + Phone package from DirecTV that's only $99 a month and includes all channels. | |
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Re: Satellite is a better valuesaid by 45612019:Yeah right.
I dare you to try getting a TV + Internet + Phone package from DirecTV that's only $99 a month and includes all channels.
Isn't it $99 BEFORE they add on fees such as a DVR fee of $17? Also, isn't the $99 an introductory price? | |
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Re: Satellite is a better valueCableCARD tuners make the DVR fee a moot point. | |
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2012-Mar-23 6:24 pm
Re: Satellite is a better valueToo bad one cannot purchase the card (at least, in most cases).
I'd prefer to not rent *anything* from the cable company, if I ever went back to having one. | |
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It seems that way at first, but in that case don't forget the up-front cost of the device using the cablecard.
If you save $17/month, but pay $2.99 for the cablecard, that may seem like a great deal, but if you paid $500 for the device the cablecard is in, it may take you three years to recoup that cost. | |
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2012-Mar-25 7:20 pm
Re: Satellite is a better valueThen after that you bank the money and you also assume that the MSO won't take yet another price increase within those 3 years. What is $20/mo today for box rental and DVR service could be $23 or $25/mo by 2015. Plus you get the benefit of having better DVR software. In my area we have Passport Echo with Cox and it is the worst DVR OS I've ever seen. The better software I have on my TiVos is well worth fronting the money for the first few years and if these new TiVos are as reliable as my trusty 14Hr Philips TiVo was, they will be with me for many years to come, if they aren't, they have their extended warranties. | |
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Obtaining TV services elsewhere is going to resolve your solution I doubt it. The OVD companies will also raise your rates. Eventually. You are not going to escape this by shuffling among providers. The only solution: Do not watch TV. if enough people do this then maybe these content providers (delivery providers are not to blame) may change to an affordable price point. | |
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Set up an HTPC and stop renting Verizon's box.
Let's see you do that with satellite. | |
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But then MSOs and telcos retaliate with the "how dare you not have our crappy TV service" penalty. And yeah, I call it a penalty because the rates only go up for HSI. There is never a "how dare you not have our killer HSI" penalty" if you have video w/o HSI. | |
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Just get a CableCARD tuner.Seriously, who the hell is still renting these crappy cable company provided DVRs? The Ceton InfiniTV 4 has been available for years now. Not only does it have twice as many tuners as a Verizon DVR, it has a vastly superior interface. Priced at $199 it'll pay for itself in a year of saved DVR rental fees. Or, if you're content with simply matching the Verizon DVR's 2 tuners, you can grab a Hauppauage WinTV DCR-2650 for just $100. That'll pay for itself in six months. CableCARD was invented for a reason, and although the road was rocky, with these tuners introduced in recent years the cable/FiOS experience has been vastly improved. They work very well on Verizon and if it weren't for them I don't think I'd bother with the FiOS TV service. These things have stopped Verizon losing a customer here. | |
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Re: Just get a CableCARD tuner."The Ceton InfiniTV 4 has been available for years now."
Yea it's so easy for the average viewer to setup... | |
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Re: Just get a CableCARD tuner."huh? You have no idea how to plug in a USB device?"
Do you even read every word in my posts or do you just like to pick fights?
First of all the link provided was NOT a USB device. Second I didn't say anything about me, I said something about the AVERAGE viewer.
Your AVERAGE user isn't going to go online and build their own DVR or anything else. More people are computer stupid than computer savvy. They would rather take what ever they get from the cable co that is going to work than roll their own. | |
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Re: Just get a CableCARD tuner.That's because your average user is dumb. | |
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How does "people are stupid" refute my claims that the CableCARD tuner route is superior in any way? | |
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Re: Just get a CableCARD tuner.For the masses it's not the superior way. It's only superior if you can make it work your self. | |
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It doesn't. It is clearly superior, most people are just too dumb to set it up. Heck, a lot of people can't even set up their cable box right in the first place. | |
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Re: Just get a CableCARD tuner.You can actually schedule a tech to come out and install it for you.
Don't techs have to install cable boxes too? | |
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Re: Just get a CableCARD tuner."It is easy to build one.. why? plug in the USB tuner, turn on Media center, it guides you through the setup.. what's so hard?"
I never said it was hard to do and never said it was hard for myself to do as you suggested. Many people are intimidated by computers which makes it is hard for them to do things we find easy.
"I don't pick fights.. but I do like to point out drama queens."
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Re: Just get a CableCARD tuner.said by battleop:"The Ceton InfiniTV 4 has been available for years now."
Yea it's so easy for the average viewer to setup...
It's really easy on Verizon FiOS. On cable providers who use Switched Digital Video, it does throw in a complication to the mix. The InfiniTV 4 seems to be the most finicky on Time Warner Cable and their annoying tuning adapters. But yes, on FiOS, it's pretty much plug-and-play. Verizon even lets you punch in the activation information on a form on their website and it's completed instantly. Other companies make you call up a CableCARD phone line to get your CableCARD activated. Not FiOS. | |
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Well,
For TWC the whole home DVR is $35/month, so this isnt bad. I pay just over a $100 w/ taxes for the premier triple play w/ 25/25, because I use a cable card (Silicondust) and WMC. And for the 3CC, it's just an ethernet connection to a switch....
It is by no means for the average person, but for the geeks that roam this board I don't see an issue. It's perfectly stable and I run it in a VM, so it's not even dedicated.
Regardless if they add fees in equipment or service it still boils down to the same nut. Verizon has been cutting down on channels--got rid of 3 of them in the last two months. These were channels I never heard of anyways, so keep cutting :_)
However before FIOS I was relegated to DirecTV, a third party VOIP, and TWC cable, which was $150/month, and now I am paying $105 for superior service, one throat to choke, and Verizon's great customer service.
I could care less about TV or phone, however "naked" 25/25 was $79, so for $20 more I get all those channels and phone so why not.
I have NO complaints about the price or service.
My single cell phone from Verizon costs more than my triple play, go figure....
I know people paying over $200 for TWC, Cablevision in un-competitive markets, so keep laying that fibre... | |
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I have two TiVO boxes with with lifetime subs on them (one in the family room and one in the bedroom). At least they're compatible with FiOS if that ever comes to town (as there are rumors it may according to some of the VZ Techs around here). All I'll have to do is swap the CableCards in them and reprogram them. | |
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How could you say those options are superior? On FiOS installs, I have disconnected more Tivos than I have put in. Do these other options include features like multi-room sharing, on-demand, any apps? Do they come with a lifetime warranty? The new software on the FiOS DVR's is pretty damn impressive. I cant comprehend how you get off calling them " crappy" . Thats an outright exaggeration, and a lie. | |
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I don't know why people buy those two that are restricted to your PC. The SiliconDust HD prime allows any number of PC's on the LAN to access the cable. | |
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Re: Just get a CableCARD tuner.That's a lot more complicated and limited than running one central machine that is on 24/7 with extenders that can pull that library on content from anywhere in the house. | |
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They have more tuners and the Ceton InfiniTV 4 can be setup as a network tuner for any PC on the network just like the HDHomeRun Prime. | |
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2012-Mar-23 4:48 pm
out of their mindsNo matter what anyone says $17 dollars a month for DVR rental fee is obsolutely outrageous things like this makes me want to go to dish network one HD DVR have 2 turners and control 2 TVs for $6 dollars a month | |
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2012-Mar-23 5:06 pm
The STB is still more expensive..outside of the NY/NJ area. It's still $10 in my area to rent an HD STB. I used to rent one so I had access to the VOD library, but I eventually turned the box in. The only way i would consider getting another HD STB, is if they gave it to me for for little or no cost.
For DVR usage my TiVos serve me much better than the FiOS DVRs can, and cost me much less while providing me more features. | |
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2012-Mar-23 5:30 pm
Got mail in MDI live in MD and received the same email from verizon about the increase in DVR fees. It could probably be because my telephone number is a NY number (212). | |
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2012-Mar-23 5:39 pm
Re: Got mail in MDsaid by jbgroup1:I live in MD and received the same email from verizon about the increase in DVR fees. It could probably be because my telephone number is a NY number (212).
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nicked and dimed!Well, they can take it and shove it! I was going to get rid of the VIDEO portion of my triple play and either move down to dual play or go with the cable-co!
Looks like my plans will have to go into effect a month sooner if they raise my rate in a 2-year price lock deal.
*From time to time we modify our rates = we don't care if you cancel service from Verizon raising rates!
Let the backlash begin!!!
EDIT: I just got the letter.. I'll be on the phone the day before getting rid of VIDEO at least-- and if the dual play is only offered with a contract, I'll be switching service. Will let you know next month! | |
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Isn't competition grand!Yes, all those choices to force companies to compete on service, and provide good value.
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2012-Mar-23 10:28 pm
Tivo CheaperTivo just announced lower rates. I'd rather have a Tivo at this price. I'm probably going to move my current Tivo to my room (replacing my current Verizon DVR) and get a new Tivo for my main TV room. | |
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2012-Mar-24 12:49 am
In a world there technology gets cheaper......MSO and telco technology seems to only get more and more expensive. Go figure.
My cable provider does the same stuff, between box rental and DVR fee, they're getting close to $20/mo for a crippled DVR with beyond abysmal software. I picked up a couple of TiVos and now it's $2 for the CC rental. Even figuring the price of hardware and lifetime service it will be less than 3 years to break even and considering I had my previous DVR for way longer than that I'll be well ahead in the long run.
Next I'll be dumping the $10/ea HBO, SHO and Starz. They just show the same garbage over an over and I can get "Sopranos" quality series like The Walking Dead and Mad Men on regular cable networks these days. As soon as I saw hatching dragons I wrote off game of thrones. | |
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As long as they remain TIVO friendly......I remain more than happy with them. | |
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Canceling Verizon ServiceThis is the biggest crock of sh!t ever! I just had a Verizon sales rep knock on my door 2 months ago to pry me away from Cablevision. He explicitly tells me that my monthly bill will be my monthly bill, guaranteed for 2 years. So I leave Cablevision to save some money. Two months later Verizon has the audacity to tell me they are raising my rates on my STB's and DVR's even though I was given a 2 year promotion. Are you for real?!
As one other poster said, the cost of DVR's and STB's if anything has come down. I find it interesting this announcement also comes out just a week after Verizon announces they will be purchasing very expensive Deep Packet Inspection hardware so that they can spy on all their customers internet activity.
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I would pay the fee....if they gave me a DVR that worked.
So far, I have had a 6416 that would reset itself in anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour. I was sent a 7461 as a replacement. No sound on HDMI. Hopefully, third time is a charm. | |
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REHere in Toronto Canada, the cable company here charges $24.95 for an HD DVR and the DVR software is unbelievably outdated compared to the likes of FiOS. | |
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2012-Mar-26 12:52 pm
price rise, commentIf Verizon is going to raise prices why don't they start offering "Energy Star" set top boxes which would help with the electric bill. This would also contribute to the "greening' of America and could be marketed to those who are "green" conscious. Then again they would probably ask for another $1. | |
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2012-Mar-27 12:15 pm
Why is everyone so annoyed by this increase?I received the letter too and will pay $1 more each month for my HD non-DVR box. I've had FIOS for two years and this is the first increase I've received. It's not surprising. Doesn't everything go up in price eventually?
That said, the impact is minimized for me because I use TiVo for my DVRs. I have 3 TiVo units and the monthly cost of those will not go up (one lifetime, two at $6.95/month).
I pay FIOS about $145/month for TV (including all premium channels) and Internet (35/35). $1 more each month is not going to kill me. | |
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