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I love the speedSo now us legacy 50/20 users get the love now and allow us to bundle this... | |
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Re: For the cable companiesCable TV has limits. 8 upstream is not possible with only so many channels below
54MHZ.
Where are they going to find more downstream channels? Hope cable TV has upgraded
their systems to 1GHZ not 750MHz. 1GHz leaves the systems with much shorter
drop lengths. All new 1GHZ systems will need new drops including ground or splitter
runs. Prewired homes will be a thing of the past. What about nearby high power licensed
two way or digital, it can wreck cable TV usage?
Also I hope they have a constant sweep crew to keep up with levels and main cables getting damaged and going bad. | |
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Re: For the cable companiessaid by Nuts :Cable TV has limits. 8 upstream is not possible with only so many channels below
54MHZ.
Where are they going to find more downstream channels? Hope cable TV has upgraded
their systems to 1GHZ not 750MHz. 1GHz leaves the systems with much shorter
drop lengths. All new 1GHZ systems will need new drops including ground or splitter
runs. Prewired homes will be a thing of the past. What about nearby high power licensed
two way or digital, it can wreck cable TV usage?
Also I hope they have a constant sweep crew to keep up with levels and main cables getting damaged and going bad.
Cablelabs is looking to do a midsplit docsis 3.1 for more upstream channels. Also here on long island cablevision is already giving 8 downstreat channels to customers who have the modems to support it. There is a lot of room left on hfc networks. Look up epoc ( looking for 10gigabit/10gigabit speeds on coax) and all the updates to docsis 3 that cablelabs wants to do. | |
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Re: For the cable companiesEPoC still requires them to cough up spectrum and to extend fiber closer the home in order to realize those speeds also I wouldn't hold your breath seeing on EPoC on any cable system any time soon.
Since any gear that supports it wont be available till they actually formalize and capture the requirements for the standard which might not even be completed for another 2 years....
So sure it sounds nice but FTTH still is king and cable is only playing catch up and in this case....catch with a wall.... | |
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Re: For the cable companiesEPOC means ethernet protocol over coax » www.lightreading.com/doc ··· d=221264"But there's a bit more to the agenda, as the vendors also have a vested interest in protecting their hold on the Docsis equipment market as other potential technical options begin to emerge, particularly EPON Protocol Over Coax (EPoC), an Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers Inc. (IEEE) standard in the works that's looking to bring PON-like performance to hybrid fiber/coax (HFC) networks. (See The Docsis Addendum and EPON-Over-Coax Starts Its Standards Journey .) " If FTTH was king why did verizon stop the roll out? The problem is most people stop caring when speeds get to a certain point. Then they only care about price. HFC networks can reach the speed where people stop caring and beat fios on price. Example cablevisions 101/15 package is $100 and verizons 130/35 is $199 a month. Verizon is just now moving speeds up to match cablevisions lower prices. Current top of the line modems can match the speeds that fios is rolling out. Cablevision is already putting out 8 downstream channels to customers.I suspect they are only waiting till the end of the year when all of their service area is all digital to start upstream channel bonding. | |
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2012-May-30 3:03 pm
Re: For the cable companiessaid by majortom1029:If FTTH was king why did verizon stop the roll out? The problem is most people stop caring when speeds get to a certain point. Then they only care about price.
HFC networks can reach the speed where people stop caring and beat fios on price.
Example cablevisions 101/15 package is $100 and verizons 130/35 is $199 a month.
Verizon is just now moving speeds up to match cablevisions lower prices.
Current top of the line modems can match the speeds that fios is rolling out. Cablevision is already putting out 8 downstream channels to customers.I suspect they are only waiting till the end of the year when all of their service area is all digital to start upstream channel bonding.
» www.xmission.com/utopia#moreFWIW: I'm currently paying $45/month for 100Mbps symmetrical FTTH... » www.xmission.com/connectivityFor crazy business connection prices, up to GigE speeds are avail over single-mode fiber which no cable modem can currently hope to attain... Some Benefits of Fiber Optics vs. Copper •Low loss of signal (typically less than 0.3 dB/km), so repeater-less transmission over long distances is possible •Large data-carrying capacity (thousands of times greater, reaching speeds of up to 1.6 Tb/s in field deployed systems and up to 10 Tb/s in lab systems respectively) •Greater resistance to electromagnetic noise such as radios, motors or other nearby cables. •No electromagnetic radiation; difficult to eavesdrop •High electrical resistance, so safe to use near high-voltage equipment or between areas with different earth potentials •Low weight •No crosstalk between cables » www.pacificcable.com/Fib ··· ial.htmlYeah, in no way can copper ever hope to surpass fiber optics!  | |
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Re: For the cable companiessaid by somms:Yeah, in no way can copper ever hope to surpass fiber optics! There is no rebuttal on you comment but 'copper' HFC systems can get very, very close to what FTTH offers and most importantly at a fraction of the cost for deploying fiber. I'd love to get a fiber connection like yours, when not in use it will be perfect for playing with Mr. Orion (my white/yellow... or is it yellow over white? Labrador retriever) I can shine the fiber's laser beam on the wall and move it around and watch the dumb playful dog chase it.  But unfortunately I can't get fiber, specially at that price so I'll have to live with my perfectly good twc 50/5 service. | |
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Re: For the cable companiessaid by etaadmin:said by somms:Yeah, in no way can copper ever hope to surpass fiber optics! There is no rebuttal on you comment but 'copper' HFC systems can get very, very close to what FTTH offers and most importantly at a fraction of the cost for deploying fiber. I disagree. Not only can fiber greatly out distance HFC but it's not even close. The short term cost however is absolutely its downfall. Long term though fiber is substantially cheaper since maintenance and number of repeaters etc. is far far less as is its power requirements. Good discussion here today. | |
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said by danclan:EPoC still requires them to cough up spectrum and to extend fiber closer the home in order to realize those speeds also I wouldn't hold your breath seeing on EPoC on any cable system any time soon.
Since any gear that supports it wont be available till they actually formalize and capture the requirements for the standard which might not even be completed for another 2 years....
So sure it sounds nice but FTTH still is king and cable is only playing catch up and in this case....catch with a wall....
Funny, TWC said that docsis3.0 deployments were going to be 'surgical' » Time Warner Cable Upgrades To Be 'Surgical' ... that was two years ago. By the end of 2012 all of twc's markets will be upgraded to d3. My point is, that once cablelabs formalize the standard it will take a year or two to see real world deployments. Probably comcast will be the first contestant to throw their CMTS hat into the ring. At this level of service 'catching up' is a misnomer. Do people really need 300Mbps? Comcast and others offer 100Mbps, TWC offer 50Mbps. I would agree that adsl or vdsl/vdsl2 is playing catching up but docsis3.0? I don't think so. Never say never. | |
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Re: For the cable companiesSo based on your comments it will be 4 years + before cable co's can deploy it.
CableCo's should, I would think, love the bandwidth, to then go to a fully TCP/IP based video system and free up all that channel width which would in theory give them ample speed to complete with fiber.
Fiber though is still king. Its cheaper long term, it supports full video AND tcp/ip and is as far as I know future proof. Coax will still have to find solutions to adding bandwidth and continue to push fiber closer to the home to over the limitations of copper.
Is 300mbps overkill? Don't know, but there are very few who would turn it down if they could afford it....I love mine and I use it all, I have had 50/20 for years now and Comcast will never be able to provide the performance and stability of FIOS...ever.
Some people seem to think all land based systems are dead and dying. I don't agree with that. They have their place and if anything I can see with bandwidth like this making the home server of more relevance than ever. The cloud can be great but being owner of you own digital domain is better...buts thats a whole other discussion.... | |
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I have no cold use for 300M down. But 65M up? Sure! Makes photo/video/work uploads a heck of a lot quicker. | |
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said by Nuts :Cable TV has limits. 8 upstream is not possible with only so many channels below
54MHZ.
Where are they going to find more downstream channels? Hope cable TV has upgraded
their systems to 1GHZ not 750MHz. 1GHz leaves the systems with much shorter
drop lengths. All new 1GHZ systems will need new drops including ground or splitter
runs. Prewired homes will be a thing of the past. What about nearby high power licensed
two way or digital, it can wreck cable TV usage?
Also I hope they have a constant sweep crew to keep up with levels and main cables getting damaged and going bad.
No system is perfect. If cable go all digital when cable go all digital there will be plenty channels available, it is just a matter of time before this happen. Then there are new solutions to squeeze more bandwidth like extending HFC's range to 1.8GHz » adslm.dohrenburg.net/uve ··· Itemid=6Then there is the mid-split and EPoC that majortom1029 mentioned in addition to CCAP. There is plenty of life left and room to grow in HFC systems. | |
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Re: For the cable companiessaid by etaadmin:No system is perfect. When cable go all digital there will be plenty channels available, it is just a matter of time before this happen. Just have to convert those pesky legacy customers. | |
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Re: For the cable companiessaid by Simba7:said by etaadmin:No system is perfect. When cable go all digital there will be plenty channels available, it is just a matter of time before this happen. Just have to convert those pesky legacy customers. It will happen... just plow those old TVs. | |
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Re: For the cable companiesAll old TVs will eventually die, and then the only replacement will be a digital TV. That's what happened to me, though I was already on a digital box with the TV connected. I could go OTA and have tried it, but the channel selection is limited, due to line-of-sight. | |
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comcast here in evanston, il is all digital now. no analog channels at all. | |
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Good luck getting cablecos to go midlife/1800MHz. At that point their systems might as well be FTTh because line losses are gonna be high, even for hard line, more than a couple hundred feet from the node. So high, in fact, that stuff just won't work  | |
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Re: For the cable companiessaid by iansltx:Good luck getting cablecos to go midlife/1800MHz. At that point their systems might as well be FTTh because line losses are gonna be high, even for hard line, more than a couple hundred feet from the node. So high, in fact, that stuff just won't work
Really? A couple of hundred feet eh? The difference between 200 feet @ 860MHz and 1.8GHz of RG6 is about 4 dB all you have to do is select a different tap value or install a HFC amplifier and you are good for another 1000 feet. But the HFC plant is not RG6 it is a lower loss coaxial with much lower attenuation even at higher frequencies. » www.billowcable.com/sdp/ ··· ble.html» Cable Modems and Wiring Issues » Chart of Signal Loss per 100ft» www.timesmicrowave.com/c ··· ulate.plBut OK, lets be conservative and push the spectrum up to 1.3 or 1.5 GHz... that is more than a 100% gain in spectrum in 750MHz HFC plants. | |
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Re: For the cable companiesGood call, catching me where I obviously pulled numbers out of my butt. Seriously, this is why a forum is a good thing  Didn't realize losses were that low on those freqs. FWIW it's highly unlikely that a cableco would go from 750MHz to 1.x GHz. Cox and Suddenlink have upped their systems to 1GHz in many (most?) areas. Comcast is at 860MHz in many areas. TWC is...??? 750? 860? 1000? Unsure about Cablevision as well. My guess is that their next step will be 1GHz, after which it remains to be seen how far they're willing to push their plant since each round of upgrades means either more amps or less coax, with the latter preferred. The systems aren't sitting at 750MHz out of laziness...there are reasons they're at that low of a spec. | |
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said by Nuts :Cable TV has limits. 8 upstream is not possible with only so many channels below
54MHZ. It's 5-42, IIRC, so you could do 6ish. Best leave some for digital cable, unless you're doing IPTV, so effectively, you can do 4. But, as has been mentioned, there are alternative solutions in the works to get around this. said by Nuts :Where are they going to find more downstream channels? Hope cable TV has upgraded
their systems to 1GHZ not 750MHz. 1GHz leaves the systems with much shorter
drop lengths. All new 1GHZ systems will need new drops including ground or splitter
runs. Prewired homes will be a thing of the past. What about nearby high power licensed
two way or digital, it can wreck cable TV usage?
Also I hope they have a constant sweep crew to keep up with levels and main cables getting damaged and going bad.
I can't speak for where you live, but most cable systems here are 850MHz, most cable companies here have already dropped or are in the process of dropping analog cable, and some of them (including mine) have been moving massive numbers of digital channels to SDV (switched digital video) for years. Upgrading the cable plant to 1GHz is understandably not a high priority, there's plenty of downstream channels available. If you're interested, a detailed QAM-by-QAM breakdown of Videotron's cable network in Montreal can be found here: » www.illicotech.com/NumMtl.htmlMost of their analog channels are not listed. It's pretty cool to be able to see what the cable company is doing, the bitrates and resolutions of different channels, etc. It's also ironic that I noticed Discovery HD was now available by spotting it in the QAM list before I noticed it was on my TV. | |
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Won't matter with their 250GB caps and coming overage charges. | |
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Re: For the cable companiesYeah, blow through that in 11 minutes. | |
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What caps are we talking about, exactly? Verizon has no caps. | |
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Re: For the cable companiesFollow the thread, I was responding to a comment about cable keeping up (or trying to keep up) by bonding more channels. A lot of the major cable MSOs have caps and some have or are looking to move to overage fees in addition to the caps. So cable increasing speed doesn't make them any more competitive. | |
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2012-May-30 12:09 pm
This could get intresting....I would imagine it would be harder for the cable companies to compete with this due to the noticeably increased download..
Depending on the cable provider.. this could cause them to go all digital {for extra capacity} and still have difficulties - just imagine what a HFC cable node would look like - with everyone on 300 Meg... {Me thinks: network overload} | |
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Re: This could get intresting....said by AMDUSER:Depending on the cable provider.. this could cause them to go all digital {for extra capacity} and still have difficulties - just imagine what a HFC cable node would look like - with everyone on 300 Meg... {Me thinks: network overload} Me thinks: caps and overages like no tomorrow. | |
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said by AMDUSER:I would imagine it would be harder for the cable companies to compete with this due to the noticeably increased download..
Haven't you heard Verizon is now the cable companies new best buddy and will actually be selling cable in Verizon Wireless stores. | |
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said by AMDUSER:I would imagine it would be harder for the cable companies to compete with this due to the noticeably increased download..
Sorry, but most Fios users are on the 15/5 tier and aren't getting an upgrade and most cable users are on a tier providing 16/4 or thereabouts. The competition is still there and will be for a very long time. Most users(non-business or non-frat house) don't need or want to pay extra for speeds they don't need. | |
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Re: This could get intresting...."Most users" are on the cable company's standard tier. for Comcast that's 15/2 in some areas, 12/2 in a few others. For TWC that's 10/1. For other cable companies it's in that range. So 15/5 still does well against those tiers, though if VZ upped it to 20/5 that wouldn't hurt. | |
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I am on the 15/5 FIOS tier and just yesterday I noticed a definite download speed increase. On reading this article I tested my connection and 16910/5252. Seeing also that I ran it off the wireless connection to the router I wonder what the speed really is? | |
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2012-Jun-3 1:50 pm
Re: This could get intresting....That sounds about right for an over-provisioned 15/5 connection. They over-provision everything, which is nice. | |
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said by AMDUSER:I would imagine it would be harder for the cable companies to compete with this due to the noticeably increased download.. considering FiOS is available to a very small % of the US I think not. | |
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Re: This could get intresting....Considering that FiOS builds have all but come to a screeching halt, I find myself inclined to agree. | |
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said by 88615298:said by AMDUSER:I would imagine it would be harder for the cable companies to compete with this due to the noticeably increased download.. considering FiOS is available to a very small % of the US I think not. Exactly, I'm stuck with RR 10/1 Mbps for $53 a month. Landlines in my area are owned by AT&T, so there's no competition here except for crappy DSL. I could get 20/2 (add $15/month) or 40/5(add $30/month), but the cost isn't worth it to me. I would LOVE 15/5 Mbps for $55 a month on FiOS! -Dragasoni- | |
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cablevision is already giving customers 8 downstream channels. they will be all digital by the end of the year which freed up a ton of channels. Cablevisions highest data package is cheaper then verizon fios highest package.
A well managed hfc network has a ton of room left. look up epoc and look up the upgrades cablelabs wants to do for docsis 3 (docsis 3.1 and docsis 4.0) | |
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The amazing part is, people don't seem to notice speed. FIOS has relatively low market penetration where it is, and customers continue to choose Verizon iPhones on 3G when they could get a DROID on 4G LTE that's 20x faster. | |
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Re: This could get intresting....Blame the ifans for that one, if you ask any they think the iphone 4 and 4s are 4g. A fool and his money are soon parted. | |
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Re: This could get intresting....Yeah, I know. It's amazing how many get the iPhone on Verizon when it has slow 3G. At least AT&T's has enhanced 3G, which is usually really fast.
FIOS is even worse though, as you can use the same devices with it as with Comcast, but yet people stay on Comcast or Verizon DSL. It's incredible that someone would pass up the incredible opportunity to have FIOS. I did see a cool ad in NYC though of a website to see what buildings are wired for FIOS, which is a good idea. | |
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You would need 8 downstreams bonded to get ONE customer on 300M. At which point, if that customer is saturating the connection, everyone else is in the slow lane, since realistically a DOcSIS channel handles 38 Mbps of throughput.
You would have to have 12-16 channels dedicated to HSI in order to even think of offering 300M.
For Verizon, they can just use existing equipment in GPON areas. That's scalability for ya. | |
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Re: This could get intresting....said by iansltx:For Verizon, they can just use existing equipment in GPON areas. That's scalability for ya. I'm not sure "scalability" is the right word here -- the capacity potential was there the day they deployed the physical infrastructure. If you want to talk about scale, look at the deployment footprint of DOCSIS systems vs PON systems. | |
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Re: This could get intresting....Scalability = the ability to scale. In this case I was talking about VZ's ability to scale up advertised...and provided...speeds as time went on without truck rolls to update nodes. So I stand behind my choice of noun As for Cable vs. PON deployments, congratulations, you're comparing cablecos (who have Much newer plant that was engineered for more capacity from the outset) with telcos (who deployed twisted pair until recently...and some still do). One has a decent upgrade path because it's newer. The other doesn't. Verizon realized this and took the appropriate measures...going to a massively upgraded infrastructure. AT&T on the other hand didn't. Still doesn't, in fact. But since there is no universal service requirement for FTTh (versus franchise agreements for cable or UsF requirements for telephone) you aren't seeing the deployments everyone wants. Would a brand new wireline operator at this point roll out a coax network? Nope...they'd go with GPON or gigabit active fiber. Just like no new operator would roll out a GSM only network today, at least in the US. | |
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Don't worry cable doesn't have to compete. Verizon is doing this to make it look like it's competing to regulators. SSDD from the stiffs at VZ.
Any sucker who thinks this is to compete is sadly mistaken. | |
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2012-May-30 12:10 pm
PityThat it's only in certain parts of the country  Makes our 45Mbps DS3 at work seem like ancient tech. And this 300Mbps service is available at one's house. Positively insane. | |
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Re: Pitysaid by amungus:That it's only in certain parts of the country
Makes our 45Mbps DS3 at work seem like ancient tech. And this 300Mbps service is available at one's house. Positively insane.
Sigbritt would disagree. | |
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2012-May-30 12:17 pm
Only Semi-jealous right now....I have a 50/8 (more like 60/10) plan right now and it's great. I don't really even need more than that. Having 35Mbps up however would definitely add a grin to my face when i'm trying to download stuff from my home server. There are times i'll be working remotely from a clients house and need an older copy of a file I was working on (VIDEO, - I do some editing once in a while) Sometimes they want to reference some element I've used in older ones that I haven't used in the new one. The reason i'm only "semi-jealous" is I just looked at the price for 50/20 on the site. It's $94+taxes fees! I pay $65 now AFTER my 1yr promition is OVER. Before it was $44.95! The 150 plan is $200 a month, on Optimum it's onl $99 a month for 101Mbps. | |
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Does this really matter?Is Verizon even committed to FIOS? Didn't they stop expanding it? Don't they "hook-line-and-sinker" believe in wireless as the future? According to Wikipedia » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ve ··· zon_FiOS, they only pass 15 million homes. Except for local markets where they operate, does it really matter what they do with FIOS? Perhaps there will be competition for cable in those areas where FIOS competes but IMO, this is just noise. | |
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Re: Does this really matter?I have 35/35. I don't need any more than that. I won't pay for any more. I hope that they give me the choice. | |
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Re: Does this really matter?said by stevek1949:I have 35/35. I don't need any more than that. I won't pay for any more. I hope that they give me the choice.
+1 Perfectly content with 25/25 for my needs. I'm hoping I at least have a choice to keep the existing speeds at the same price. I just signed with verizon less then a month ago. | |
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Meanwhile...Meanwhile, AT&T struggles to make 24/3. Only a small minority of people who are lucky enough to have either the VRAD as their next door neighbor or they have pristine new lines get the option for the 24/3 Internet tier. The rest are stuck at 18/1.5 if they are lucky.
AT&T... the joke of the telco world.
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2012-May-30 1:41 pm
Re: Meanwhile...said by trparky:Meanwhile, AT&T struggles to make 24/3. Only a small minority of people who are lucky enough to have either the VRAD as their next door neighbor or they have pristine new lines get the option for the 24/3 Internet tier. The rest are stuck at 18/1.5 if they are lucky. At least you live in a U-Verse (VDSL2) area. Just as Verizon has stopped expanding FiOS, AT&T has stopped expanding U-Verse. Both are allowing ADSL to rot in large parts of the country. | |
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 EricthornIt only hurts when I laugh
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Ericthorn
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2012-May-30 12:34 pm
Significant Price Bump in June when Speeds are AnnouncedThat sub headline needed fixing... | |
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JPL
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2012-May-30 12:55 pm
Re: Significant Price Bump in June when Speeds are Announcedsaid by Ericthorn:That sub headline needed fixing...
That remains to be seen. I don't doubt that prices are going up, but if Verizon handles this speed increase like they have in the past, the price won't go up for most customers... at least not right away. If you're locked into a specific tier bundle, then the speed you get is determined by the bundle. If they increase the speed, then you get the increase, and you would keep paying at your current price (until you go to renew your contract, at which point your price would go up). That means that, if they follow their normal pattern, my 35/35 speed is about to go up to 75/35... for the same price I'm paying now until my contract expires, in 2 years. I'll take that. That's all based on whether they follow the same MO they've followed for previous speed increases. Of course if the do follow the same MO, you would need to contact them to increase your speed. They won't do it automatically. | |
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i've always had 65Mb upI got the 150/35 package when it first came out. I've always topped out at 65Mb though. I never said anything to Verizon about it of course. | |
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tshirt
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2012-May-30 12:52 pm
But it's not symetrical anymore...Where are the true FTTH fanbois? | |
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jealous and pissed all at once....Does me no good..... one house is on comcast ( central FL) the other is on ATT DSL ( far SW burbs of Chicago), none anywhere near fios territory.. 300 down makes me jealous and pissed that the best I can get on ATT is 3 ! | |
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|  Noah VailOh God please no.
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Noah Vail
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2012-May-31 11:06 am
Re: jealous and pissed all at once....said by buddahbless:Does me no good..... one house is on comcast ( central FL) the other is on ATT DSL ( far SW burbs of Chicago), none anywhere near fios territory.. 300 down makes me jealous and pissed that the best I can get on ATT is 3 Let me guess. You have a home near Sarasota and a business near Chicago. | |
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maartena
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2012-May-30 1:25 pm
Meanwhile at AT&T....And AT&T is maxing out at 24/3, which has a lower upload speed then Verizon's LOWEST tier. I think we're going to have to grab that copper out of AT&T's cold, dead hands, because they will cling on to it till the day they die. An analogy: Verizon in 1900: We just invented this wonderful combustion engine, a new era of transportation has begun! AT&T in 1900: Combustion, Schombustion. Lets increase the horses in front of our carriages from 4 to 6! | |
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Re: Meanwhile at AT&T....Don't forget about the news from AT&T on the front page today, there going with carrier grade NAT, soon your world will be full of NAT and you can forget about playing games or hosting any kind of server. Nothing like sending your paying customers another 100 years into the past. | |
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Re: Meanwhile at AT&T....But but but ... I thought NAT was the best thing since sliced bread... NOT. IPv4 is going to become that much more painful. | |
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 IowaCowboyIowa native
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Hopefully Comcast will open the throttleWhere I am at, Verizon doesn't seem to want to upgrade to FiOS so our choices are DSL or Xfinity. I have Xfinity and I have the 30/5 tier. Fortunately for me, Comcast has upgraded our are to D3.
Hopefully this will influence Comcast to kick up their speed tiers a little. | |
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Re: Hopefully Comcast will open the throttleActually, you have 25/4. But hey, what's a few megabits between friends?
In all seriousness, I'm with you. I have 50/15 Comcast and if so,etching with the speeds and prices of FiOS came online in my area I'd switch so fast it would make Comcast's head spin. Alas, the fastest wireline internet other than Comcast is 5M DSL from CenLink. | |
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I want to see the person who bundled 2 x 150I'd like to see how he would handle bundling dual 300 connections. Little over half way to the 1gig/1gig mark! | |
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I'm jealous!I pay $52.99 for TWC Internet (10/1) per month. Also, new subscribers get $3 for cable modem rental. Funny, I am in Verizon areas and no FIOS and DSL services! | |
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BiggA
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2012-May-30 2:46 pm
Upload is keyWith YouTube and online backup, upload is key, and Verizon has the most upload. This is great... for the areas that can get it. | |
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Didn't realize losses were that low on those freqs.
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