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 |  LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: Race for last place said by HaloFans:North American Internet is so behind the times.
Or they are ahead of the times as the EU and eventually Asia join the party. | |
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| | | | Re: Race for last place EU and Asia have better Internet than we do. | |
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| | |  bohratomJersey Shore will rise again
join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
1 edit | Re: Race for last place said by HaloFans:EU and Asia have better Internet than we do.
Depends where you live in the US. For example in NJ we have a mean average of around 18mb/s which would rank the state in the top 1% (higher then asia and EU) of all the countries in the world.
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Pennsylvania, USA | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Race for last place Why would anyone be mad? Some of us love living in the USA. There is more to quality of life than a fast internet connection. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Race for last place said by Rangersfan :Why would anyone be mad? Some of us love living in the USA. There is more to quality of life than a fast internet connection.
yeah like minimum wage jobs with no benefits and no health care. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Race for last place said by HaloFans:Says a guy who comments on an Internet site regarding Internet connections.
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And your point is what? I need a 1 Gbps connection to use the internet? | |
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join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | said by Rangersfan :Why would anyone be mad? Some of us love living in the USA. There is more to quality of life than a fast internet connection.
Sure... KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT!
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Race for last place said by Kamus:said by Rangersfan :Why would anyone be mad? Some of us love living in the USA. There is more to quality of life than a fast internet connection.
Sure... KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT! MUHAHAHAA Oh. You mean that your quality of life is defined by how fast of an internet connection that you have? | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Race for last place said by Rangersfan :Interesting.
So you don't even know what average means. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Race for last place said by brad:said by Rangersfan :Interesting.
So you don't even know what average means. I do. Apparently you don't. The average internet speeds for those countries is significantly lower that what the poster indicated was the "slowest speed package" available in those countries.
Yes, I find that fact interesting and contradictory to his comments. | |
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| | | | | | | |  DaneJasperSonic.NetPremium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9 | Re: Race for last place said by Rangersfan :said by brad:said by Rangersfan :Interesting.
So you don't even know what average means. I do. Apparently you don't. The average internet speeds for those countries is significantly lower that what the poster indicated was the "slowest speed package" available in those countries. Yes, I find that fact interesting and contradictory to his comments. I concur. In France and the UK for example, most providers simply offer ADSL2+, generally "up to 24Mbps", with an average speed below this. The claim that a 100Mbps connection from SFR is the "slowest" on offer in France incorrect.
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| | | | | said by HaloFans:EU and Asia have better Internet than we do.
The grass is not always greener on the other side, but I know the tendency is to not appreciate what we have and think that things are better somewhere else. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Race for last place said by Rangersfan :said by HaloFans:EU and Asia have better Internet than we do.
The grass is not always greener on the other side, but I know the tendency is to not appreciate what we have and think that things are better somewhere else. Usually people who have never lived overseas say this. I have and the grass for me was a lot greener.
I have reasons (family obligations) to stay in the US, but if I didn't I would live in South Korea, Japan, or Vietnam over the US any day of the week. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Race for last place said by DataRiker:said by Rangersfan :said by HaloFans:EU and Asia have better Internet than we do.
The grass is not always greener on the other side, but I know the tendency is to not appreciate what we have and think that things are better somewhere else. Usually people who have never lived overseas say this. I have and the grass for me was a lot greener. I have reasons (family obligations) to stay in the US, but if I didn't I would live in South Korea, Japan, or Vietnam over the US any day of the week. I have live overseas and my comments stand.
If you love Asia more that the USA, you should leave and take your family with you. | |
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2 edits | Re: Race for last place said by Rangersfan :I have live overseas and my comments stand.
Doubtful.
Insisting you must move because you liked another place more.
What a ridiculous position. | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by Linklist:said by HaloFans:North American Internet is so behind the times.
Or they are ahead of the times as the EU and eventually Asia join the party. Ahead at providing slow shitty expensive Internet connections. Go North America! | |
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| | | LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: Race for last place said by brad:said by Linklist:said by HaloFans:North American Internet is so behind the times.
Or they are ahead of the times as the EU and eventually Asia join the party. Ahead at providing slow shitty expensive Internet connections. Go North America! Ahead at caps & overage fees. Sooner, rather than later, EU & Asia will play follow the leader and start capping and overageing just like North America. | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Race for last place Exactly what I said. | |
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| | | | | | Other countries have Internet overseen and backed by the governments.
That's why they are superior to where they are today.
Capping and overages came from deregulation, a party that Romney stands on. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Race for last place said by HaloFans:Other countries have Internet overseen and backed by the governments.
That's why they are superior to where they are today.
Capping and overages came from deregulation, a party that Romney stands on.
Yeah, more government control over our everyday lives is just what we are missing in this country.  | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Race for last place As opposed to "free markets" with virtually no competition. That works out soooo well. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Rangersfan :said by HaloFans:Other countries have Internet overseen and backed by the governments.
That's why they are superior to where they are today.
Capping and overages came from deregulation, a party that Romney stands on.
Yeah, more government control over our everyday lives is just what we are missing in this country. Please like the government regulating broadband = you in a concentration camp. You hate the government but if some other country invaded then you'd be all "Oh US government PLEASE help me." | |
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA | Re: Race for last place said by BF69:said by Rangersfan :said by HaloFans:Other countries have Internet overseen and backed by the governments.
That's why they are superior to where they are today.
Capping and overages came from deregulation, a party that Romney stands on.
Yeah, more government control over our everyday lives is just what we are missing in this country. Please like the government regulating broadband = you in a concentration camp. You hate the government but if some other country invaded then you'd be all "Oh US government PLEASE help me." That is because one of the REAL purposes of the government is supposed to be the protection of the Country. So yes, everyone would be expecting their government to help them.
Go back to school and learn something. | |
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join:2007-09-25
Greensboro, NC
kudos:2 | And proof of this? Links? Reports? Anything? Or just speculation? | |
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1 edit | said by Linklist:Ahead at caps & overage fees. Sooner, rather than later, EU & Asia will play follow the leader and start capping and overageing just like North America.
Absolutely false for at least 3 countries in Asia.
These countries have effectively removed the greed from what they consider community items like Health Care and Broadband.
If you had even a month or two first hand experience there it would become overly obvious why this would not happen. Its a cultural approach and its not likely to change.
Sure they have other downsides there but its beyond the scope of this post. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Race for last place Basically what Romney2012 claims:
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| | | | If by join the party you mean collect higher profits then sure. | |
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|  HankSearching for a new FrontierPremium
join:2002-05-21
Burlington, WV
kudos:1 | What a bunch of whiners.  Move to WV, your only choice in most areas is Frontier. You'll reap the benefits of no competition - very low speeds, constant outages, congestion and the bonus is the customer service reps will give you a hard time when you try to submit a service ticket. Why the race - the rest of you need to stop worrying we have already won. | |
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| | | | Re: Race for last place To put it simply, trickle down economics don't work.
Somehow this twisted rationale is considered a legitimate platform for the Republican party this year.
Keystone Pipeline anyone? Oh the pipeline is already built? What? The oil industry lied? | |
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 tobyTroy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13
Seattle, WA | Available more places It is available in more rural places than the US.
They have choices too. | |
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|  Kalorii
join:2003-01-25
Pickering, ON | Re: Available more places Actually, we don't have a whole lot of choices. In most cases we have one provider and that's it. It was Rogers and Rogers only in my nicely populated urban area for well over 12 years. It's only recently that we had any choice. Rural areas don't have much choice, either. | |
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| | It depends where you live in Canada.... The ISPs in Western Canada are way more competitive than the ones in central/east Canada. | |
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| brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: It depends where you live in Canada.... said by zod5000:The ISPs in Western Canada are way more competitive than the ones in central/east Canada.
The situation out west is slightly better but still not that good. | |
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| | Well yes but.. We pay a higher premium for just about everything, so that should come as a surprise to no one. | |
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Kamus
join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | Canadian "internet" is the worst of "first world" internet. The way Bell Canada and Shaw treat their customers is nothing short of extortion.
Want to get on the internet with out issues? Tekksavy isn't an option, not as reliable thanks to Bell themselves.
So it's either "get ripped off, or get off the internet"
This is no different than installing toll booths on every street just because they know people have to pass. | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Canadian "internet" is the worst of "first wo said by Kamus:The way Bell Canada and Shaw treat their customers is nothing short of extortion.
Want to get on the internet with out issues? Tekksavy isn't an option, not as reliable thanks to Bell themselves.
So it's either "get ripped off, or get off the internet"
This is no different than installing toll booths on every street just because they know people have to pass.
TekSavvy is the only usable option for me.
That's North American culture for you. | |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | The New Math? In Karl's inflammatory headline world, 3.9% is a "steep premium", or "considerably more".
Incredible. | |
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| LINCSATPremium
join:2003-06-15
Markham, ON | Re: The New Math? One of the fastest in canada on cable!! 250gig cap
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| | | | Re: The New Math? Haven't you forgot something? Rogers throttles more than any other cable internet company in the "entire" world. I can provide the said link if you want or just goggle Rogers and throttling. | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by LINCSAT:One of the fastest in canada on cable!! 250gig cap
A 250GB cap on such a connection is a farce. | |
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| | | Oh my God! So the average Canadian pays, like, two bucks a month more than the average USA resident? That is a STEEP FREAKIN' PREMIUM! I AM OUTRAGED!!!!!!! | |
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| | Canada has seen a steady decrease in subscribers each year Canada has seen a steady decrease in subscribers year over year over year. The rest of the world has seen increases in subscribers to broadband internet. | |
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| LINCSATPremium
join:2003-06-15
Markham, ON | Re: Canada has seen a steady decrease in subscribers each year Rogers does not throttle on p2p anymore, I get full download and upload if there are enough seeders that is. I really just stick with usenet. | |
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rkage
join:2009-09-21
L9T7M1 | No longer about speed In Canada, it's no longer about the speed of the connection. The incumbents have made sure that the increased speeds just guarantees overages.
For years, incumbents never budged on upgrading the infrastructure, residents in Ontario were subjected to (and still are) 6/1 profile DSL, 16/1 profile cable. Only until the incumbents devised a way to monetize usage we see investment in infrastructure.
Caps will go up, but in iterative numbers with much fanfare from the incumbents marketing departments - however it will solely be based on overall usage and with a certain percentage guaranteed to pay overages.
The only way caps go away is if ISPs insist on measuring usage they be held accountable to government regulated measuring systems. | |
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