 mob (banned)On the next level..
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mob (banned)
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2012-Jul-11 8:54 am
Good old socialismOh oh, I get it.
Nobody is upset b/c the money is going to a company person, not a real human person. | |
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FFH5
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2012-Jul-11 8:58 am
Re: Good old socialismsaid by mob:Oh oh, I get it.
Nobody is upset b/c the money is going to a company person, not a real human person.
Who says. Gov't welfare to either persons or corporations is disliked by many on here. Of course, we are regularly attacked for those views. | |
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Re: Good old socialismI'm all for giving money out when it helps society progress. | |
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...how exactly is this considered government welfare? How was nationwide phone service provided? I know, let's conveniently ignore that fact too while we are at it.
I'm sorry that I don't subscribe to the belief that "companies are in business for the best of the consumer, they can do no wrong, and we should just deregulate every industry in sight, because public shame will keep companies accountable." | |
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Robert to mob
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2012-Jul-11 9:05 am
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said by mob:Nobody is upset b/c the money is going to a company person, not a real human person.
Ahh the selective memory.. must be a trait of a particular party. Let us not forget how upset Americans were at the tarp bailouts. | |
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| | mob (banned)On the next level..
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mob (banned)
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2012-Jul-11 9:39 am
Re: Good old socialismsaid by Robert:said by mob:Nobody is upset b/c the money is going to a company person, not a real human person.
Ahh the selective memory.. must be a trait of a particular party. Let us not forget how upset Americans were at the tarp bailouts. Tsk tsk, don't bring politics into the fray. We have forums elsewhere for that type of discussion. | |
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Robert
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2012-Jul-11 9:49 am
Re: Good old socialismHeed your own advice. | |
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You brought politics into the argument! Take your own damn advice!! | |
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mob (banned)
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2012-Jul-11 11:21 am
Re: Good old socialismAll I did was mention a glaring contradiction from a perspective of humanity.
You took it how you felt you should take it. Can't help you with that. | |
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| jpgrWAR
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2012-Jul-11 11:49 pm
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I for one lived with satelite internet cause Verizon did not want to invest . Thank God Frontier bought our lines I live 3.2 miles away from the CO and I love not getting a cap of just 19gb and 999ms know it's 34ms and unlimited gb . If I want to buy a game online I do I let it dnl while I sleep . If I want to watch netflix I do with no problem with just 1.5 mbs . Online gaming is alot more fun with people around the world then just single players .
And about this government welfare check you say...... pffff . The 92,000 residents who's getting the upgrade already payed there due's . There tax payers too people! Not some Ceo bank manager getting baileout an Giving bonuses cause they screwed there books all up ! | |
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2012-Jul-12 9:58 am
Re: Good old socialismAnd the reason that you posted this twice is????
I can do it to...
And the problem with America today, "I done did pay my dues, now gimme, gimme, gimme." | |
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Frontier, Vs Oil companies?, Car companies? Banks? Insuranceyou could find worse companies to feed corporate welfare to..
that said.. misuse of government money in Telecom is legendary, so there would need to be a SCTRICT line-by-line approval of what every cent spent does so that we don't see unnecessary equipment purchases, bloated labor & equipment charges, and fraud-waste-and-abuse of grant money. people need to know what X amount of dollars competitively buys in a given marketplace and see to it that there is a prudent value for the $. 100% of the funds allocated need to be posted online for public scrutiny... no just for frontier, but all USF and grant money. | |
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Robert
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2012-Jul-11 9:13 am
USF?Is this money coming from USF that has been collected? | |
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| ArrayListDevOps
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Re: USF?USF is not for this. | |
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Robert
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2012-Jul-11 9:20 am
Re: USF?I was under the impression that the use of the USF has been modified to include extending broadband coverage to rural areas? | |
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2012-Jul-11 9:26 am
Re: USF?Regardless it's DSL. No one cares about copper anymore. Fiber or go home. | |
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Robert
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2012-Jul-11 9:36 am
Re: USF?said by Mike:Regardless it's DSL. No one cares about copper anymore. Fiber or go home.
Rural people do. | |
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Depends on whether or not it's VDSL2. ADSL is becoming obsolete. | |
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said by Mike:Regardless it's DSL. No one cares about copper anymore. Fiber or go home.
Not exactly. DSL remains a viable part of the equation, given the real costs of deploying fiber. Trouble is, as cheap as it is, subscribers still don't want it. But you've overlooked the real underlying reason that the taxpayers are wasting $1K/household to subsidize DSL: it gives the socialists, anarchists, populists, Occupoos, Dems, and lets not forget our esteemed blogger, Karl, a ten-year extension on fighting the good fight, as they will continue to assail Frontier, et al, for not providing "faster broadband", whatever that is at the moment. | |
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2012-Jul-11 11:34 am
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said by Mike:Regardless it's DSL. No one cares about copper anymore. Fiber or go home.
Try living on satellite internet. You'll be begging for a 1.5 Mbps DSL in no time. | |
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2012-Jul-11 5:02 pm
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nice to know you speak for everyone. | |
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I thought USF was only leveraged against voice services and not data services. I've never paid it with broadband only service. | |
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Robert
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2012-Jul-11 9:36 am
Re: USF?said by ArrayList:I thought USF was only leveraged against voice services and not data services. I've never paid it with broadband only service.
I don't think they increased USF, but redirected the funds away from voice services to data services. | |
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Re: USF?that is quite unfortunate. | |
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said by Robert:said by ArrayList:I thought USF was only leveraged against voice services and not data services. I've never paid it with broadband only service.
I don't think they increased USF, but redirected the funds away from voice services to data services. Rob is mostly correct, though USF fees have increased significantly starting around 2010. » www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia ··· -americaBroadband has gone from being a luxury to a necessity for full participation in our economy and society – for all Americans. For that reason, the FCC has adopted comprehensive reforms of its Universal Service Fund (USF) and Intercarrier Compensation (ICC) systems to accelerate broadband build-out to the 18 million Americans living in rural areas who currently have no access to robust broadband infrastructure. This reform will expand the benefits of high-speed Internet to millions of consumers in every part of the country by transforming the existing USF into a new Connect America Fund (CAF) focused on broadband.The fact of the matter is that the original goals of the USF were almost completely achieved years ago. Rather than end the chronically mismanaged USF, they (predictably) kept collecting the money to use elsewhere, because government programs never die. | |
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Suntop
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2012-Jul-11 9:30 am
PredictableThe telecommunication barons win again with yet another welfare check. Now come on, I understand that there are places without broadband, and this is an issue that should of been solved. Yet, there is always something.
It seems awfully familiar that bullies get more money for nothing. :/ | |
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Sammer
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2012-Jul-11 9:48 am
Re: Predictablesaid by Suntop:The telecommunication barons win again with yet another welfare check.
If the public is paying for it then the public should own it at least at the wholesale level. | |
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Suntop
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2012-Jul-11 10:11 am
Re: PredictableSimple, that is not allowable. This would give a voice that matters to their way of business. This however is only the tip. I'd be wary. | |
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it's only ~$72 million. not even a drop in the bucket. | |
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Suntop
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2012-Jul-11 10:16 am
Re: PredictableWhat? There is a bucket of money somewhere?  Yeah, I learned that being greedy and selfish bullies is not cool. Someday, this will stop when there is a shift. All this money and we have bad education and healthcare. I pray that we do not have a repeat of history, this looks awfully familiar. I am saddened to of heard that we are 17th in science and 25th in math no wonder this happens. | |
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2012-Jul-11 10:05 am
Huh?Why are we paying to build this out anyway? People live in the sticks for a reason. If they wanted the full amenities of being in the mainstream areas then they would have chosen those areas. It is bogus to spend our $ to provide access where there may be no demand to warrant this and to a sub-section of the population who chose to live outside the range of these types of amenities! | |
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2012-Jul-11 11:03 am
RidiculousOur country is broke but we have money to pay for this BS? | |
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Noah Vail
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2012-Jul-11 11:51 am
Re: Ridiculoussaid by pnh102:Our country is broke but we have money to pay for this BS? That and then some. 
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2012-Jul-11 1:22 pm
Frontier, blahSo, lets get this straight. Frontier buys out Verizon landlines in a bunch of states, states that they can make it better, and profitable, then puts out their hand to the gub'ment.
In my state alone, Verizon let the telco infrastructure rot for 25 years with no major improvements, let the copper corrode to being unusable in many places, actually filed to the PSC to cut off "underserved" area (which failed, my great grandmother lived in one of them). When our public service commission finally forced Verizon's hand, they then sold to Frontier, who inherited the crap. Whoever at Frontier thought it to be a good idea, needs to be fired. Oh, and don't forget the PSC has been after Frontier for Verizon's prior negligence also.
To be fair, Verizon wasn't the only utility to try to cut out underserved areas, AEP (American/Appalachian Electric Power) filed the same request. | |
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2012-Jul-11 4:33 pm
Under served areasOK you guys maybe you should hear from someone who lives in one of those "under served" areas. I'm only 50 miles from a city of 4 million people (Phoenix) and I have exactly two Internet choices. Dial up at $25 a month at less than 56k or satellite at $100.00 a month and only slightly over 56k or I can drive 15 miles to the closest town with wifi and sit in my car as I am now for a couple of megabits. Oh did I mention it's 108 degrees here and I can't have my car AC running? DSL? Not profitable enough. Cable? Not profitable enough. I've tried to see if I can get a microwave relay to where I live so those of us there can have decent affordable broadband. I figure it will cost about $250-500K to do it and I could make about $5k net a month. Can I do it? Nope. Why? Cox Cable, Centurylink and Verzion block me from doing it. Why? They control all the towers and leases. Without Government help I am SOL. Now what can I do all you Mitt slaves? Revolution? Anarchy? Please let me know when you're ready to get serious. Maybe you'll all contribute to my broadband fund. LOL ironically. | |
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why are they still investing in old copper instead of fibre?A 775$ subsidy per line for DSL?
Whereas the whole cost of an aerial fibre network is 500$ per house?
Yes, sounds like a good way to spend the federal money! When will these people finally put a stop on wasteful spending, and will approve of plans that actually benefit the consumers and the taxpayers? | |
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2012-Jul-11 11:53 pm
Why any sort of landline in rural areas?Rural areas with low population densities are simply too expensive to service with wires/fiber. The federal government could allocate spectrum specifically for broadband in those areas and subsidize the installation of radios and new towers if necessary. That would be a lot cheaper than subsidizing rural telecom carriers.
As for rural towns, cable companies are doing a good job. Perhaps a federal law explicitly permitting municipal fiber would help service those areas too. | |
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I love itI think some of you who proclaim Frontier is the best, needs to realize they were mandated in many states to bring DSL to unserved areas in each state. I think in IL they had to bring DSL to 90% of the towns they serve. NOW, they have their hand out for MORE money from the USF (I don't care what it's called now)
Here is another fun fact. USF has been paid in to for a very long time. Verizon took that money and made Verizon Wireless, instead of keeping up with the copper as far as I am concerned. It's government waste. | |
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How odd that they've calculated it down to a single household. Anyway, I hope my house is one of those. I've been trying to get Verizon DSL here for the past 10 years. And then Frontier took over, and still no DSL. This is despite the fact that houses on the road to the east of here HAVE Frontier DSL.
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2012-Jul-12 9:35 am
of course this happensSo its OK for TAX money to be given to a corporation, but unfair if used by small communities that want to expand their broadband?
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Yeah, I learned that being greedy and selfish bullies is not cool. Someday, this will stop when there is a shift. All this money and we have bad education and healthcare. I pray that we do not have a repeat of history, this looks awfully familiar. I am saddened to of heard that we are 17th in science and 25th in math no wonder this happens. 
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