 Leichtman: 540,000 Cable Subscribers Left in Q2 And Only Some of Them Went to TelcoTV Tuesday Aug 14 2012 09:12 EDT According to the latest analysis by Leichtman Research Group, the top nine cable operators lost about 540,000 video subscribers during the second quarter -- which was actually down from the 600,000 subscribers lost during the second quarter of 2011. A good chunk of those customers fled to telcoTV alternatives (U-Verse TV, FiOS TV), but the industry still lost some 325,000 net additional video subscribers on the quarter, and companies like Dish saw their first customer net loss ever. Still, like most TV sector analysts (and the cable industry), Leichtman is quick to downplay the impact that cord cutting had on the continually sagging user additions: quote: "While reports of multi-channel video industry losses in the second quarter of 2012 have rekindled pronouncements of cord-cutting impacting the industry, the reality is that industry-wide losses in the traditionally weak quarter were nearly identical to losses in last year's second quarter," notes Leichtman. "Over the past year, multi-channel video providers added about 375,000 subscribers, compared to a gain of about 210,000 over the prior year."
There's some similarly toned poo poo'ing of cord cutting as anything substantive in new analysts by IHS Screen Digest, who put the lion's share of the defection blame on the economy and "seasonality." As many research firms have noted for some time, the people that are cord cutting make up a small but slowly growing part of the overall TV equation, though their influence is expected to continue to rise as the cable industry stubbornly refuses to seriously compete on price. |
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$$the bare minimum for cable-tv service edged up to about $50 a month for basic (unbundled) w/ 1 cable box. that and the increasing value of finding goodies to subsitute for cable-video on the internet for free or low cost rose at it's biggest year over year gains. you can get free radio streams, video feeds, download video.. and for some a video over ip solution in the wild is tons better than couch potato commercials & propaganda.
while some might be lured back by token online streaming (that still doesn't evolve the business model), a free tablet, or cash back bundles (why not lower the price upfront?!?) the public has spoken and if the cable industry's reporting bad numbers, it's probably somewhat worse than they're reporting... | |
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Re: $$And while some may say 325,000 net loss for pay TV is small it also doesn't factor or in population growth. Pay TV would need to add about 250,000 subs per quarter just to keep up with population growth. So the loss is really closer to 600,000 not 325,000 | |
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Re: $$said by 88615298:And while some may say 325,000 net loss for pay TV is small it also doesn't factor or in population growth. Pay TV would need to add about 250,000 subs per quarter just to keep up with population growth. So the loss is really closer to 600,000 not 325,000 Using what numbers? The rate of US population growth is declining, including in the key demographic for new PayTV subcribers (the 18+ bracket): 
Source:»www.prb.org/Articles/201 ··· ine.aspxImmigration is also declining due to the unemployment situation in the US. Also, looking at the Q2 number alone is misleading because the Q2 numbers have been lower in the cycle than the other quarters for the last few years. 
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Re: $$Ok so using you're own numbers the US population grew by 2.26 million people. between 2010-2011. There are about 2.6 people per household( according to the US census ). So the number of households in the US in is increasing by 870,000 per year or 218,000 per quarter. It's been pretty consistent that at least 90% of US household subscribe to pay TV over the last 15 or so years. So of that pay TV should have been increasing by 196,000 per quarter just to keep up with population growth. But it's lost about 325,000 even taking into account the growth in subscribers of u-verse/FiOS. So that's a true loss of 520,000. | |
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Re: $$said by 88615298:Ok so using you're own numbers the US population grew by 2.26 million people. between 2010-2011. There are about 2.6 people per household( according to the US census ). So the number of households in the US in is increasing by 870,000 per year or 218,000 per quarter. It's been pretty consistent that at least 90% of US household subscribe to pay TV over the last 15 or so years. So of that pay TV should have been increasing by 196,000 per quarter just to keep up with population growth. But it's lost about 325,000 even taking into account the growth in subscribers of u-verse/FiOS. So that's a true loss of 520,000. No. The graphs show a shifting of the numbers between the U18, 18-64, and 65+ demographics. The population growth is due to about 4 million infants born every year, plus about 700k in immigration (down from the typical 900k-1m pre-2009), minus about 2.5 million in annual deaths. Growth only counts in the 18-64 age bracket because that's where new TV subscribers come from. (people in the 65+ age bracket likely already have TV) Also, these things are cyclical, and Q2 number are always comparatively worse than the other quarters in the year for whatever reason. (many in the satellite TV forums have speculated it's due to people cancelling TV for the summer) Yes, there were losses this quarter, but Q1 numbers posted a 494k subscriber gain. It's a little early to say the sky is falling when there are still more PayTV subscribers right now than there were at this time last year. 
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When times are tough, sacrifices must be madeWith unemployment still very high, it is not surprising to see people tightening their belts. I know four such households here who are switching from traditional cable/satellite TV to OTA antenna and Netflix. I had lunch with one of these people last week and he said that the service was too expensive. Of course this is the same guy who goes to the bar 2 times a week and drops $40 each day, but I digress.  These aren't the cord cutters that are getting their content from the internet or torrent sites. Maybe a thousand of those people are, but not the whole enchilada. A bulk of them just can't afford it or have better things to spend their money on. The cable and satellite companies would do well to take note of this situation. It is only going to get worse until the economy rebounds. | |
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Re: When times are tough, sacrifices must be madeIt's not just the pricing it's what you get for the pricing. Even if they cut the pricing in half is it still worth it? I think more and more people would say no.
Here's the irony. Traditional content makers want to kill off things like Netflix because they think cable/satellite is the only way to make money. Well guess what my son who has never been much of a TV watcher has been watching season 5 of Breaking Bad on AMC. Now you know why he is watching that? Because seasons 1-4 where available on Netflix. If he didn't have those first 4 seasons available he never would be watching it on TV now. I'm sure my son isn't the only person that has done that. | |
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Re: When times are tough, sacrifices must be madeI did that. My friend starting watching BrBa and it was on Netflix. I checked it out and got hooked, but I already had cable and AMC... | |
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said by 88615298:It's not just the pricing it's what you get for the pricing. Even if they cut the pricing in half is it still worth it? I think more and more people would say no.
Here's the irony. Traditional content makers want to kill off things like Netflix because they think cable/satellite is the only way to make money. Well guess what my son who has never been much of a TV watcher has been watching season 5 of Breaking Bad on AMC. Now you know why he is watching that? Because seasons 1-4 where available on Netflix. If he didn't have those first 4 seasons available he never would be watching it on TV now. I'm sure my son isn't the only person that has done that. Without the content makers, Netflix wouldn't have Breaking Bad. In fact, Breaking Bad wouldn't be around at all without AMC. I think there is going to be a change in the way content is made eventually. Until then, every cable TV subscription and advertisement and DVD box set sale goes toward the making of these shows. | |
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My cable bill has been on a steady increase over the past 5 years.
All the best promo was: $89 - 100 afterwards $100 -> $109 --> $121 --> $129 --> $139 -> $150
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Cutting off cable is the last thing to go (even above internet). Phone is the first because it can be easily replaced. They are actually adding phone subs though (3 play bundling at prices of 2 play). That is to stop the bleeding they were having.
What nobody mentions is that there is a major competition for peoples entertainment budget, including the internet. I may spend 8 hours a day on the net, and 30 min watching TV, and 1 hour watching netflix. Then there is gaming, consuming on tablets, tweets, FB, (reading, mags, games), music, and just being. So out of my day 30 minutes of broadcast is not worth $60 when I actually watch more on Netflix for $8 and actually consume it more.
So what cable guys aren't saying is that steam, ipads, netflix, web are all siphoning business from them.
Economically speaking content falls under substitution (it's not really that unique and the model is from the 40's), and people are just substituting TV for other forms of entertainment. The water cooler is gone, so the social pressure of "conforming" is gone too.
I just had dinner w/ 3 groups of friends and the discussion of what we watched came up--six people. Maybe 2-3 people agreed upon ONE show (think it was batchelor) and THAT was it. 10-15 years ago that was different. If you missed Friends there was something wrong with you. Today nobody cares. I'm watching Miami Vice on Netflix.
Since cable is not innovating and raising prices, they are going to bear the shotgun that blows up in their face. If Aereo flies, it will blow up the cable model. Cable will have a hard time innovating because like Sony they are also in the content business and that means consumer unfriendly DRM. Take a look at Sony's latest earnings....
Cable can clamp usage for a time (imaginary caps), but there will be major backlash on that too and wifi and the like will go after them. | |
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Re: When times are tough, sacrifices must be madesaid by elefante72:Cutting off cable is the last thing to go (even above internet). Phone is the first because it can be easily replaced. They are actually adding phone subs though (3 play bundling at prices of 2 play). That is to stop the bleeding they were having.
What nobody mentions is that there is a major competition for peoples entertainment budget, including the internet. I may spend 8 hours a day on the net, and 30 min watching TV, and 1 hour watching netflix. Then there is gaming, consuming on tablets, tweets, FB, (reading, mags, games), music, and just being. So out of my day 30 minutes of broadcast is not worth $60 when I actually watch more on Netflix for $8 and actually consume it more.
So what cable guys aren't saying is that steam, ipads, netflix, web are all siphoning business from them.
Economically speaking content falls under substitution (it's not really that unique and the model is from the 40's), and people are just substituting TV for other forms of entertainment. The water cooler is gone, so the social pressure of "conforming" is gone too.
I just had dinner w/ 3 groups of friends and the discussion of what we watched came up--six people. Maybe 2-3 people agreed upon ONE show (think it was batchelor) and THAT was it. 10-15 years ago that was different. If you missed Friends there was something wrong with you. Today nobody cares. I'm watching Miami Vice on Netflix.
Since cable is not innovating and raising prices, they are going to bear the shotgun that blows up in their face. If Aereo flies, it will blow up the cable model. Cable will have a hard time innovating because like Sony they are also in the content business and that means consumer unfriendly DRM. Take a look at Sony's latest earnings....
Cable can clamp usage for a time (imaginary caps), but there will be major backlash on that too and wifi and the like will go after them. Excellent post! | |
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said by elefante72:Cutting off cable is the last thing to go (even above internet). I'd cut cable before internet. I can replace TV to an extent. OTA, Netflix etc. If you cut internet how do you replace that? | |
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Exactly, it is about consumption. People are willing to pay for the service, they just don't view a majority of the channels. It is not just about the money, but what content they want tailored to them. And as you said to paraphrase, people have other "content options" vying for their attention.
People are willing to cancel cable, yet most have a higher cell phone bill. And they are unwilling to part with that ?! It may be a matter of importance, but if it boils down to expense, then why not remove that and/or trim down both ?! | |
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First sub loss ever?...companies like Dish saw their first customer net loss ever. That should be DirecTV, not Dish Network. Dish has been bleeding customers for a long time. | |
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Re: First sub loss ever?said by TheKrell:...companies like Dish saw their first customer net loss ever. That should be DirecTV, not Dish Network. Dish has been bleeding customers for a long time. Dish Network is the worst in terms of customer service. They lasted three months in my house. A few years later, they settled with the Attorney Generals of various states over deceptive marketing. I was affected by the deceptive marketing but my claim was not within the timeframe of the AG settlement. | |
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Transition from Analog to Digital TV Big FactorThe transition from analog to digital TV is probably a big factor. This has meant both much improved over the air picture quality (the disappearance of snowy pictures) and substantially more TV channels being available over the air. | |
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Will never cut the cordThe OTA signals around here are unusable, especially after the DTV conversion. My mother's cousin in Northampton (MA) tried various antennas (including amplified antennas, both with a converter box and newer digital TV) and could not get reception of the channels she got before the DTV switchover. So she signed up for basic cable (about $8 per month) which gives her local broadcast stations and a few government access channels. Most (if not all) of the other residents in that building subscribe to cable for the same reason. I am surprised that Comcast is not required to provide free cable to that building as it is subsidized housing for special needs/senior citizens and if I am correct, most cable companies are required by their franchising agreement to provide schools, hospitals, and various non profit agencies free basic or expanded basic cable. Where I grew up (Cedar Rapids, IA), the cable company there (was sold to various operators throughout my childhood) was required by the franchising agreement to provide municipal buildings, schools, libraries, hospitals, and non-profit human service agencies with free cable and they usually got expanded basic.
I tried picking up broadcast TV at my house and the signals are unusable as well as there is too much interference in the area (Springfield MA, urban area).
A good way to stop the cord cutters would be to waive the 250GB cap on HSI for customers who subscribe to basic (or above) cable but don't give Comcast any ideas. Also, subscribing to basic cable also puts you on the books as a video subscriber and the $8 per month on the basic cable saves you about $15 on the internet bill. When I had DirecTV for about 4 years, I subscribed to basic cable to keep the internet bill down.
There is so much more content available on cable than there is on OTA broadcasts. And the DVRs are very handy because you can watch the local evening news when you eat dinner. Also with the recession, the cable companies are offering some very sweet deals on triple play bundles (many with add-ons like higher internet tiers and premium channels). | |
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Re: Will never cut the cordWoW only $8 b a month for basic cable where your at? well with charter its $30 a month! thats the same price as therr select bundle with expanded basic and all the HD channels (since its charter the service isnt all that great anyhow) and charter isnt the only one that charging $30-40 a month for thier lowest priced package many companies are now charging alot more for thier "basic" service | |
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Re: Will never cut the cordIn Western Massachusetts (at least in Comcast areas), the basic tier averages about $8 per month (including taxes and fees) for bare-bones broadcast basic which includes the local broadcast channels, any required public access/educational/government access channels, and about 2 or 3 shopping channels like HSN and QVC (which I suspect the cable company actually makes money from carrying on their system) and also EWTN (free channel provided by the Roman Catholic church).
I think the rates for broadcast basic are regulated by the franchising authority (here in Mass, it is the state DPU), but the rates for anything above broadcast basic (such as expanded basic, digital cable, high speed internet, cable phone, etc) are unregulated.
Basic cable is handy, especially if the broadcast OTA signals are unusable (due to local interference) or you live too far away from the TV transmitters.
I have many more channels than just basic. I subscribe the the Xfinity Triple Play preferred plus (than includes HBO, Starz, Digital Preferred, blast (50/10) internet and home phone) and I got a good price on it (about $160 per month for the whole package including equipment). | |
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said by IowaCowboy:The OTA signals around here are unusable, especially after the DTV conversion. My mother's cousin in Northampton (MA) tried various antennas (including amplified antennas, both with a converter box and newer digital TV) and could not get reception of the channels she got before the DTV switchover.
I tried picking up broadcast TV at my house and the signals are unusable as well as there is too much interference in the area (Springfield MA, urban area).
We've had this discussion before. The vast majority of people get BETTER reception with OTA now that it's digital. And also unless you're situation is unusual in your area you should get in OTA. I doubt you tired very hard. Put in your info and a height of 30 feet and then post the results and prove me wrong. » www.tvfool.com/?option=c ··· temid=29 | |
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Re: Will never cut the cordsaid by 88615298:said by IowaCowboy:The OTA signals around here are unusable, especially after the DTV conversion. My mother's cousin in Northampton (MA) tried various antennas (including amplified antennas, both with a converter box and newer digital TV) and could not get reception of the channels she got before the DTV switchover.
I tried picking up broadcast TV at my house and the signals are unusable as well as there is too much interference in the area (Springfield MA, urban area).
We've had this discussion before. The vast majority of people get BETTER reception with OTA now that it's digital. And also unless you're situation is unusual in your area you should get in OTA. I doubt you tired very hard. Put in your info and a height of 30 feet and then post the results and prove me wrong. » www.tvfool.com/?option=c ··· temid=29 That's not true. Digital TV is VERY directional and you need line of site to towers. As a rule, if you have issues, go with bigger antenna's and post them higher up. In some cases, a large mast is required. But in many cases, line of site kills it for many. Also depends on the area. Here in Albuquerque, the towers are all on top of the Sandia mountains that tower over the entire city. In this case, the majority of people can get most if not all the OTA stations. In the old days, (analog) you could get weak stations with static, etc.. With digital, its all or nothing. You need like a 80 percent signal strength. When it drops below that, you get zero, nada, nothing. But I agree, if it works, its better then analog. We are talking about total unfiltered HD here. In many cases, looking better then cable or satellite since they may compress it further. With OTA, its the RAW feed and I like it. | |
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said by 88615298:said by IowaCowboy:The OTA signals around here are unusable, especially after the DTV conversion. My mother's cousin in Northampton (MA) tried various antennas (including amplified antennas, both with a converter box and newer digital TV) and could not get reception of the channels she got before the DTV switchover.
I tried picking up broadcast TV at my house and the signals are unusable as well as there is too much interference in the area (Springfield MA, urban area).
We've had this discussion before. The vast majority of people get BETTER reception with OTA now that it's digital. And also unless you're situation is unusual in your area you should get in OTA. I doubt you tired very hard. Put in your info and a height of 30 feet and then post the results and prove me wrong. » www.tvfool.com/?option=c ··· temid=29 Reception after the digital transition may be better, it may be worse, but what difference does it make if the content is crap? I watch a lot of TV, and heave yet to see anything on the networks that can rival the quality of the original series on cable and premium cable. CBS and Fox are the only networks I give a damn about and its mainly due to sports. CBS for their NFL coverage, Fox for the NFL, Saturday Baseball, NASCAR and Im trying to get into the UFC. I also watch quite a bit of CBS primetime programming, but wouldnt be too terribly disappointed if I had to give it all up. Big Bang Theory, 2 Broke Girls and Criminal Minds are the big ones. And on Fox, other than sports, its Animation Domination. I watch absolutely nothing on ABC and havent in years. Now that Chuck is gone, I will not be watching NBC, even as big as a sports fan as I am, I hate NBCs sports coverage with a passion and will not watch Sunday Night Football or any NHL action, unless my Sabres are playing. I have no desire to watch the crap on PBS, Im not 12 so the CW does nothing for me, after 6 years, Im still trying to figure out exactly what My Network TV is, ION would be great, but Ive already seen every episode of Ghost Whisperer and Criminal Minds and watching TV shows that came out a hundred years ago on Me TV and the whole slew of other channels dedicated to the old and crusty hold no interest to me. In summary, OTA content is pure dog shit, with a few exceptions, and if all OTA signals ceased this very second, I wouldnt even notice or care until Saturday at 3:30 when Id flip over to Fox for the MLB Pregame Show. No OTA antenna in the world can get me, A&E, History, H2, C&I, Food Network, Cooking Channel, DIY, FX, ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPNews, ESPN U, Big Ten Network, NHL Network, NFL Network, MLB Network, YES, MSG, CBS Sports Network, Speed, Fox News, Fox Business, Bloomberg, Tru TV, VH1 Classic, Palladia, Syfy, Spike, Science Channel, ID, HBO, Showtime, Starz and a whole host of other channels that air content that I enjoy. | |
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Re: Will never cut the cord" no OTA antenna in the world can get me, ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPNews, ESPN U, Big Ten Network, NHL Network, NFL Network, MLB Network"
I can totally understand why you feel this way. It looks like you enjoy your sports so you do get some value out of paying the huge carriages that those channels charge. Unfortunately, many people don't care for sports and I don't like subsidizing people like yourself in paying for the most expensive channels like ESPN. And if you get cable/sat, those channels are always included in all but the most worthless bundles which are probably worse then just using OTA antenna. Many people feel the same and are cutting the cord since they don't want to pay for those expensive channels which they don't use. So moving forward, as more cut the cord, you can expect more hikes. You may not cut the cord, but you will pay more over time.. and it will be at a rate greater then the cost of living/inflation.
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Re: Will never cut the cordAnti sports people make me laugh, you make it sound like no one but a select few care about sports, which couldnt be farther from the truth. I know sports are unpopular here for whatever reason, but you guys are the extreme minority. Baseball is Americas past time, Football is Americas obsession. The Super Bowl is the biggest TV event of the year, the Daytona 500 isnt far behind. ESPN owns Monday night ratings with Monday Night Football. And here locally, 2 out 3 households are tuned to Buffalo Sabres hockey when they play with 19K people packed in the Arena during home games.
I already pay $288/month for cable from Time Warner and a $97/month to DirecTV. And that doesnt include the fact that I subscribe to MLB Extra Innings and NHL Center Ice on cable and for the first time ever, Ill be getting NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV. A few bucks more isnt going to mean much to me as long as I get the content I want, the price is irrelevant. | |
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Re: Will never cut the cordsaid by Happydude32:Anti sports people make me laugh, you make it sound like no one but a select few care about sports, which couldnt be farther from the truth. I know sports are unpopular here for whatever reason, but you guys are the extreme minority. Baseball is Americas past time, Football is Americas obsession. The Super Bowl is the biggest TV event of the year, the Daytona 500 isnt far behind. ESPN owns Monday night ratings with Monday Night Football. And here locally, 2 out 3 households are tuned to Buffalo Sabres hockey when they play with 19K people packed in the Arena during home games.
I already pay $288/month for cable from Time Warner and a $97/month to DirecTV. And that doesnt include the fact that I subscribe to MLB Extra Innings and NHL Center Ice on cable and for the first time ever, Ill be getting NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV. A few bucks more isnt going to mean much to me as long as I get the content I want, the price is irrelevant. I still firmly believe that sports should be bundled separately for the simple reason that they represent a major portion of everyone's total bill. And channels like ESPN are some the the highest carriage channels period. Somewhere between 33 percent and 50 percent of households don't watch sports. Yet somehow, the content providers like Disney can extort carriages from those that don't watch sports through unfair bundling, or carriage extortion. If you think Sports is so popular you might be surprised just how many would downgrade their service if allowed the option to drop the sports tiers and drop their bill by another 15 to 20 dollars a month. It would be catastrophic and would put some reality on what players salaries are really worth. I'm not so anti sports as you may think. I still watch the Lakers and Chargers when they are available OTA. I chose to cut the cord because I really feel the value is not there anymore. And if I could get cable and cut out the Disney stations and half my bill I may consider re-subbing. Yes, I do have a beef with Disney and any research into how they force high carriages on the providers will prove my point. | |
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Exact opposite here. Most of the Channels now are UHF. Put up an antenna and I can get 3 times the OTA channels I could before DTV, and the picture quality is excellent when before it was poor. Still don't watch it much, too many commercials... but it's nice to have for local news and weather broadcasts.
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Sloppy numbersThe figures presented seem to differ substantially from data cited by Nielsen and NCTA, even accounting for a year difference. | |
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The problem with "cord cutting" is...It's not really cutting the cord if you are simply ditching their video services in favor of their "broadband" service. As long as we have to turn to them for Internet service they'll still get the money they want. Caps are the key evidence here. | |
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Re: The problem with "cord cutting" is...said by Kamus:It's not really cutting the cord if you are simply ditching their video services in favor of their "broadband" service. As long as we have to turn to them for Internet service they'll still get the money they want. They don't see it that way. They want you to pay for both TV and internet. The fact you want to get both from just internet means lost revenue to them. If they were getting say $50 for Tv and $50 for internet that would be $100 a month. If you just go with Internet they are only getting $50. That's a loss of $50 a month for them. | |
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said by Kamus:It's not really cutting the cord if you are simply ditching their video services in favor of their "broadband" service. As long as we have to turn to them for Internet service they'll still get the money they want. Caps are the key evidence here. I cut the cord with Dish. I use a stand alone Centurylink DSL account.. They bundle TV with Direct TV which I don't use. Paying around 27 dollars a month for DSL so I would say yes, it is really cutting the cord and not really like you say. One thing that I have noticed is comcast is starting to extend their promos. It used to be after 2 promo extentions they would let people go ahead and cancel. I know some people now who have been on promos for over two years. That never happened before. Its a pain you have to keep calling to cancel and talk to someone in retentions to keep the deal and haggle to keep a decent price. But in the end, comcast would rather keep someone on a promo long term then to let them go. I guess they are starting to feel the hurt from subs bailing. I finally threw in the towel and said the hell with them all and cut the cord over two years back.. Don't miss it at all. Saved over 2 grand already. | |
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No more DirecTVI dumped DirecTV in the spring and got a TiVo box. We now watch the local stations from the antenna and also watch a lot of shows via Netflix on the TiVo. I think the only thing I will miss is Monday Night Football. | |
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2012-Aug-14 5:45 pm
Re: No more DirecTVsaid by Sysadmin:I dumped DirecTV in the spring and got a TiVo box. We now watch the local stations from the antenna and also watch a lot of shows via Netflix on the TiVo. I think the only thing I will miss is Monday Night Football. And if ESPN was more forward thinking they would offer their "WatchESPN" as an online subscription instead of forcing one to have cable TV to use it. HBO suffers form the same lack of vision. | |
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KrK
Premium Member
2012-Aug-14 6:45 pm
PayTV is a luxuryIt's a luxury I could afford, but choose not to. The price has become too high for the entertainment value I received from it; I don't watch enough TV to justify paying $75-$125 a month for it.
So, I simply don't. And I'm not missing it. I have many other things to do with my time.... AND my money. | |
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