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2012-Sep-10 12:31 pm
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Re: :OAmazing? I honestly find this whole Google build to be simply silly. They arent doing anything groundbreaking, they are replicating what Verizon has already done. They have the luxury of deploying newer equipment, that can CURRENTLY offer (unnecessary) faster net speeds than Verizon, thats all. When Google passes 20 million homes, I'll concur, "amazing" The one significant difference is that Verizon will continue to make money on FiOS, whereas Google will be taking on financial losses. Especially when word gets around that their 7years of FREE 5Mbps option will be adequate for 90% of households. Nobody get upset now, its simply the hard-core truth.  | |
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2012-Sep-10 12:52 pm
Re: :OYep, people get all excited about Gfiber, but the reality of this is that it's just a small deployment of cheap gigabit (and they aren't going to be profitable). FiOS is much more impressive, the only issue is the price. FiOS covers way more homes, and they're actually profitable (at least compared to Google). | |
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Re: :Osaid by JTR: FiOS covers way more homes, and they're actually profitable (at least compared to Google).
No question, FiOS covers more home....today. No question, Verizon is profitable. But is FiOS itself profitable, and if so what are the margins? | |
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2012-Sep-11 12:03 pm
Re: :Osaid by MaynardKrebs:said by JTR: FiOS covers way more homes, and they're actually profitable (at least compared to Google).
No question, FiOS covers more home....today. No question, Verizon is profitable. But is FiOS itself profitable, and if so what are the margins? IIRC Karl was just about wetting his pants over a small area covered by an ISP in Hong Kong. The link to Karl's happy tale of the wonderful world in Hong Kong can be found here - » 1 Gbps Symmetrical For $26 Sound Good To You? . If a few districts in Hong Kong make Karl drool, he should be excited about this experiment in Kansas City. Apparently selecting your neighborhood, is only a net positive to Karl outside the U.S. Assuming Google has done some demographic work, and can examine the results of this Kansas City experiment over time, other cities may follow. The fine print of the Hong Kong service can be found here - » apply.hkbn.net/orp/eng/1 ··· 00fh.jspLets see what whetted Karl's whistle back in 2010 ... from the site - 24 month contract required, non-refundable deposit of $310, service costs $199 per month, plus a mandatory $890 installation fee. Karl was drooling over that offer. The web page to order this mighty Hong Kong service (in English) is at - » apply.hkbn.net/orp/ace/e ··· e&role=BOut of 43 districts listed, I could only find 3 that had service. Ohh Karl, they discriminate. Karl they are expensive. Karl they have high upfront fees. But Karl, they aren't in the U.S. so all is wonderful, eh? Personally I like the idea of Google trying to offer something new, and hope it works for Google and any city that they can justify putting service into. | |
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Re: :O@pandora
Those are HK dollar prices.
100.00 HKD = 12.8960 USD
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1 US dollar gets you 7.75437 HKD
Now be a good boy and go do the math......if you know how. | |
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said by ITALIAN926:Nobody get upset now, its simply the hard-core truth.
I'll put my money on the engineers, mathematicians, statisticians and downright geniuses at Google. Thanks. | |
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2012-Sep-10 12:59 pm
Re: :Osaid by tiger72:said by ITALIAN926:Nobody get upset now, its simply the hard-core truth.
I'll put my money on the engineers, mathematicians, statisticians and downright geniuses at Google. Thanks. There are just as many of those at Verizon. | |
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Re: :Osaid by JTR:said by tiger72:said by ITALIAN926:Nobody get upset now, its simply the hard-core truth.
I'll put my money on the engineers, mathematicians, statisticians and downright geniuses at Google. Thanks. There are just as many of those at Verizon. HAHAHA | |
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Those would be purchasing agents at Verizon. | |
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said by JTR:said by tiger72:said by ITALIAN926:Nobody get upset now, its simply the hard-core truth.
I'll put my money on the engineers, mathematicians, statisticians and downright geniuses at Google. Thanks. There are just as many of those at Verizon. HAHA! Let me know the next time Verizon plans to add more builds to places it doesn't have an outstanding agreement with the municipality. Actually, I'll do you one better... let me know the next time Verizon plans to finish build-outs to places it does have an outstanding agreement with the municipality. | |
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2012-Sep-10 6:47 pm
Re: :OCan't fault Verizon, they dropped some $21B on FiOS, there comes a time where you rest with capital investment and try to get some returns on that titanic investment.
Let me know when Google spends $21B on anything. | |
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2012-Sep-10 10:36 pm
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said by JTR:said by tiger72:I'll put my money on the engineers, mathematicians, statisticians and downright geniuses at Google. Thanks.
There are just as many of those at Verizon. What they have are bean counters and MBA types, figuring out ever more innovative ways to nickel and dime people and kill off any competition that they cannot collude with. | |
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You know, despite your biased opinion towards Google, I hope it does well. Every GFiber post you make, it's always "blah blah unnecessary speeds, blah blah losses"
So? Who cares, they're doing more than your precious Verizon FiOS is. And they're doing it for cheap. One more city with lit fiber. Who can complain about that? | |
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Re: :O"One more city with lit fiber. Who can complain about that?" The posters on this site. | |
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said by LightS: Who can complain about that?
People who work for the established cabelco/telcos. | |
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2012-Sep-10 2:05 pm
Re: :O...Or those that see this for what it is, an experiment that won't likely see any real expansion. It'll soon be added to the ever growing list of abandoned Google projects: iGoogle, Google Wave, Google Knol, Google Bookmarks List, Google Gears, Google Buzz, Google Health, Google Notebooks, Google Answers...
In other words, people are foaming for no reason. | |
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2012-Sep-10 3:52 pm
Re: :Osaid by skeechan:...Or those that see this for what it is, an experiment that won't likely see any real expansion. It'll soon be added to the ever growing list of abandoned Google projects: iGoogle, Google Wave, Google Knol, Google Bookmarks List, Google Gears, Google Buzz, Google Health, Google Notebooks, Google Answers...
In other words, people are foaming for no reason.
That is the main issue. Will Google follow thru on a project that is marginally profitable and has a high cost structure for support? Past history suggests Google will get all the PR benefit they can on this and a couple years down the road they will cut their losses and sell the infrastructure to someone else that will want to charge fees that can make a profit w/o subsidization from a huge ad network. | |
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2012-Sep-10 4:44 pm
Re: :Osaid by FFH5:said by skeechan:...Or those that see this for what it is, an experiment that won't likely see any real expansion. It'll soon be added to the ever growing list of abandoned Google projects: iGoogle, Google Wave, Google Knol, Google Bookmarks List, Google Gears, Google Buzz, Google Health, Google Notebooks, Google Answers...
In other words, people are foaming for no reason.
That is the main issue. Will Google follow thru on a project that is marginally profitable and has a high cost structure for support? Past history suggests Google will get all the PR benefit they can on this and a couple years down the road they will cut their losses and sell the infrastructure to someone else that will want to charge fees that can make a profit w/o subsidization from a huge ad network. Yeah, and there's that line in their contract stating that they can cancel in two years (or is it within two years?). Either way, they can ditch the project without any repercussions. | |
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2012-Sep-10 8:21 pm
Re: :Osaid by JTR:said by FFH5:said by skeechan:...Or those that see this for what it is, an experiment that won't likely see any real expansion. It'll soon be added to the ever growing list of abandoned Google projects: iGoogle, Google Wave, Google Knol, Google Bookmarks List, Google Gears, Google Buzz, Google Health, Google Notebooks, Google Answers...
In other words, people are foaming for no reason.
That is the main issue. Will Google follow thru on a project that is marginally profitable and has a high cost structure for support? Past history suggests Google will get all the PR benefit they can on this and a couple years down the road they will cut their losses and sell the infrastructure to someone else that will want to charge fees that can make a profit w/o subsidization from a huge ad network. Yeah, and there's that line in their contract stating that they can cancel in two years (or is it within two years?). Either way, they can ditch the project without any repercussions. You have a link to that contract? | |
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2012-Sep-10 8:30 pm
Re: :Osaid by tiger72:You have a link to that contract?
Follow the link in this BBR story: » Google Can Ditch Kansas City After Two YearsHere is the 2 yr walk away info: » www.lightreading.com/doc ··· d=223899"Google will have the right to terminate the Agreement for convenience at any time up to two (2) years after actual construction commences on the fiber network," the franchise agreement states.
If the deal is terminated after services are launched, Google and the city can create a new operating agreement "for the continued use of the existing fiber network, which could involve operation of the network by a third party." | |
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Re: :Osaid by FFH5:said by tiger72:You have a link to that contract?
Follow the link in this BBR story: » Google Can Ditch Kansas City After Two YearsHere is the 2 yr walk away info: » www.lightreading.com/doc ··· d=223899"Google will have the right to terminate the Agreement for convenience at any time up to two (2) years after actual construction commences on the fiber network," the franchise agreement states.
If the deal is terminated after services are launched, Google and the city can create a new operating agreement "for the continued use of the existing fiber network, which could involve operation of the network by a third party." That's great. Do you have a link to the actual contract? | |
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2012-Sep-10 11:02 pm
Re: :Osaid by tiger72:said by FFH5:said by tiger72:You have a link to that contract?
Follow the link in this BBR story: » Google Can Ditch Kansas City After Two YearsHere is the 2 yr walk away info: » www.lightreading.com/doc ··· d=223899"Google will have the right to terminate the Agreement for convenience at any time up to two (2) years after actual construction commences on the fiber network," the franchise agreement states.
If the deal is terminated after services are launched, Google and the city can create a new operating agreement "for the continued use of the existing fiber network, which could involve operation of the network by a third party." That's great. Do you have a link to the actual contract? » cityclerk.kcmo.org/livew ··· 2fPqQ8hdThe agreement found at above link. Click on Agreement.pdf agreement.pdf 183200 bytes
KC Google franchise agreement
Using the find feature of Adobe Reader or other PDF reading tool, find "(2) years" to see the get out of dodge 2 yr clause.
Of course feel free to peruse the whole document if you want.
The above agreement was with Kansas City, MO. If you want Kansas City, Kansas you will have to look for yourself. I wasted enough time finding the above document and have no desire to see if the Kansas City, Kansas agreement is different.
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Re: :Osaid by FFH5:»cityclerk.kcmo.org/livew ··· 2fPqQ8hd
The agreement found at above link. Click on Agreement.pdf
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Using the find feature of Adobe Reader or other PDF reading tool, find "(2) years" to see the get out of dodge 2 yr clause.
Of course feel free to peruse the whole document if you want.
The above agreement was with Kansas City, MO. If you want Kansas City, Kansas you will have to look for yourself. I wasted enough time finding the above document and have no desire to see if the Kansas City, Kansas agreement is different.
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2012-Sep-10 8:34 pm
Re: :OThat is between Google and the customer and NOT between Google and the city franchise authorities. Here is the agreement with KC: » www.lightreading.com/doc ··· d=223899"Google will have the right to terminate the Agreement for convenience at any time up to two (2) years after actual construction commences on the fiber network," the franchise agreement states.
If the deal is terminated after services are launched, Google and the city can create a new operating agreement "for the continued use of the existing fiber network, which could involve operation of the network by a third party." | |
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I'm wouldn't be surprised if he's a shill anyways. Of course he'll deny it, but any time caps, or any innovative thing regarding improving bandwidth speed comes around, he suddenly says it's "not practical" etc etc.. | |
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2012-Sep-10 2:24 pm
Re: :Osaid by LightS:I'm wouldn't be surprised if he's a shill anyways. Of course he'll deny it, but any time caps, or any innovative thing regarding improving bandwidth speed comes around, he suddenly says it's "not practical" etc etc..
Ah, the shill arguement. I'm so very sorry that my views don't happen to align with yours. For the record, I am affiliated with nobody but myself. I speak my mind, not someone else's. I wouldn't have thousands of posts on multiple forums (almost all on topics unrelated to ISPs) if I was a paid corporate shill. | |
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Re: :OSorry man - my comment wasn't directed at you!
It's actually directed at ITALIAN926. | |
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said by LightS:So? Who cares, they're doing more than your precious Verizon FiOS is. And they're doing it for cheap. One more city with lit fiber. Who can complain about that?
If they were doing it without government subsidies, it might be impressive that it's so cheap. | |
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Re: :Osaid by skuv :said by LightS:So? Who cares, they're doing more than your precious Verizon FiOS is. And they're doing it for cheap. One more city with lit fiber. Who can complain about that?
If they were doing it without government subsidies, it might be impressive that it's so cheap. Oh? Verizon, Comcast, Time Warner, and ATT don't get subsidies from local governments? Well that must be a very new development. | |
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How do you know it is not profitable?? | |
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They can stomach the losses, considering they have a market cap that is greater than almost the entire value of Verizon. | |
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I checked out your ISP's website. $700 for 100/5 connection is crazy. | |
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2012-Sep-10 12:45 pm
Interesting...I wonder what TWC and AT&T will come up with to counter Gfiber... And how many people opt to go with the 5/1 plan.
It'll be amusing to see the result of all these people having gigabit connections. Botnet operators are probably very excited right now... Of course, once consumers realize that their gigabit connection only downloads at a fraction of that speed from the majority of sites/servers out there, the result of that will be interesting to see. | |
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2012-Sep-10 12:57 pm
It's too bad... they didn't choose a more sensible critieria like "the backhaul is installed in area 23 and the poles are ready, so it's a good time to start HERE and work down the street.
This method is more a promotional "DO it NOW!"
I do understan it makes sense to flash build a whole neighborhood at once, and then not come back for a year (or until everyone else is done) but this reeks of redlining which is not legit give the level of subsidy the cities has provided Google on this | |
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2012-Sep-10 1:44 pm
(F)oogleLucky ducks.
It would be nice to have that fiber speed. | |
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2012-Sep-10 2:41 pm
Where are the actual customer reviews of the service?When will DSLR get a Google Fiber forum and actual customer reviews?
So far it's vaporware...
After that I wonder how it'll perform with a few hundred, then thousand, then a few thousand customers.
How scalable and costly is Google's last mile fiber infrastructure? Is it really going to a viable and expandable product or just a one off test with no future? | |
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Don't get itI don't get why some people want this to fail, when it means more possible competition which is good for everybody.
I, for one, hope that google fiber comes to miami, i am sick and tired of living in this duopoly, lack of competition means caps and higher prices. | |
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Re: Don't get itor own stock in the competition.
And they care more about their stock not going down a point than an entire metropolitan area having increased access and competition. | |
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Hoping and praying thatGoogle will be successful.
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