  EliteDataEliteData
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2012-Oct-23 12:21 pm
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Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TVI hope they allow this on Xbox360. I use cablecard/W7MC so I don't have any STB. We use redbox already, so if the catalog can be complimentary to Netflix I would go for it. Netflix movies on streaming have pretty much come to an end. What would be amazing is to stream the catalog of redbox to the device, so I don't have to wait in line at a kiosk. And yes I know that Redbox makes $$ on people not returning the next day, but I would pay double not to get out of my couch  . If it goes to $3-$4 it's a me too service and Amazon/Vudu fites the bill. I have found that Amazon regular def movies are better than DVD and the fam is happy. Of course that pretty much means I don't need anything but broadcast, but that is for another day. | |
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Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TVI am curious how it is Redbox is going to get the streaming rights that Netflix is unable to get and how they are going to get it for a better price than what Netflix can to have a cheaper service.
Redbox is able to provide recent movies now because of either agreements to get the DVD's wholesale or they go retail when dealing with a difficult company and there is no restriction on renting them. That does not give them streaming rights to the movies. Netflix has more customers than Verizon so you would think they could get better movies at a better price.
Anything different tells me that there are some closed door deals going on that trying to disrupt Netflix and bring prices up. | |
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Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TVWhat you failed to realize is Verizon is not just an ISP, they have connections to the major TV networks through their FiOS TV product. It would not surprise me if they are not using those contacts to assist with this. What I am waiting to see is if Verizon will use this on there FiOS platform to replace there VoD service since it currently is next to impossible to find anything on it. | |
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Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TVActually, Skippy25 makes a point: Verizon isn't a content creator. More like a distributor.
It's the studios that call the shots.
Netflix having its own productions is the beginning just like HBO was...
Not all studios allow their content on competition without licensing and royalties.... | |
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2012-Oct-23 3:21 pm
Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TVand the studios fear streaming and new technologies in general. Streaming has a lower value point than media sales and cable channel licensing. Streaming also gives the consumer something that strikes absolute fear into content owners... More control over when where and on what device the media is consumed on. | |
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Verizon's clout with the content providers will make their road easier to hoe then Netflix's.
Personally, I hope Netflix does well, because if they die, we all know where streaming video will be going....
(Think up. Way, WAY up.) | |
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Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TVtorrents.... | |
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2012-Oct-23 12:22 pm
Overages ! Ca chingAt $10 per 1 GB, I can see that working very well for Verizon investors. | |
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2012-Oct-23 12:36 pm
Re: Overages ! Ca chingsaid by WHT:At $10 per 1 GB, I can see that working very well for Verizon investors.
Nope. Redbox Home Fusion streams will be off-net, toll-free, overage-exempt bulk-rate, forward-cached, etc. Contrary to the drivel we read here daily, Verizon does not want overage charges; they want you to pay a hefty premium for their basic service and add-ons, but nothing punitive. That's bad for business. | |
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2012-Oct-23 12:51 pm
Re: Overages ! Ca chingAhhh....the same excuse cable used to get around the Net Neutrality restriction.
Guess no one learned anything from the FCC slapping down Madison River. | |
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I think they just want money and don't really care how they get it. And despite what a lot of people say about massive profits, their profit margin is really not that impressive. | |
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2012-Oct-23 2:32 pm
Re: Overages ! Ca chingsaid by silbaco:I think they just want money and don't really care how they get it. And despite what a lot of people say about massive profits, their profit margin is really not that impressive.
They want the extra add-on revenue from Redbox. Not overage charges. As for margins, if they were "massive", or enjoyed "record profits", as the envious bankrupt socialist media likes to refer to, then another "greedy" firm would enter the market in pursuit of those dollars. We've seen how well Sprint and TMobile have fared. | |
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2012-Oct-23 3:49 pm
Re: Overages ! Ca chingEver heard of barriers to entry?
The biggest problem with the Laissez-faire market theory is that it always assumes that at any time anyone can enter business and increase the supply of choices and competition. Since that isn't true, the rest of it also fails. | |
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2012-Oct-23 4:18 pm
Re: Overages ! Ca chingsaid by KrK:Ever heard of barriers to entry?
The biggest problem with the Laissez-faire market theory is that it always assumes that at any time anyone can enter business and increase the supply of choices and competition. Since that isn't true, the rest of it also fails.
Sprint-Nextel-Clear, TMobile, MetroPCS, Leap, Cricket, and to some extent, America Movil prove that those "barriers" are surmountable. | |
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2012-Oct-24 6:18 pm
Re: Overages ! Ca chingActually, they are proving that the barriers aren't surmountable.
Thus why so many MVNO's. | |
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2012-Oct-25 2:32 am
Re: Overages ! Ca chingsaid by KrK:Actually, they are proving that the barriers aren't surmountable.
Thus why so many MVNO's.
The existence of MVNO's only further prove that the barriers are surmountable. | |
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2012-Oct-26 6:07 pm
Re: Overages ! Ca chingCircular argument is circular. | |
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Off-net - You mean in an intertube that violates net neutrality rules?
How are you and they going to try to skirt this one?
Are they going to attach all redbox's to their "local" intranet and call it local traffic?
Are they going to deliver it on the same "channel" as cable TV or PPV and say it isnt internet traffic? | |
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Re: Overages ! Ca chingsaid by Skippy25:Off-net - You mean in an intertube that violates net neutrality rules?
How are you and they going to try to skirt this one?
Are they going to attach all redbox's to their "local" intranet and call it local traffic?
Are they going to deliver it on the same "channel" as cable TV or PPV and say it isnt internet traffic?
Just like the other companies with iptv and VoIP, that have internet caps. (ex. Uverse) | |
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said by Skippy25:Off-net - You mean in an intertube that violates net neutrality rules?
How are you and they going to try to skirt this one?
Are they going to attach all redbox's to their "local" intranet and call it local traffic?
Are they going to deliver it on the same "channel" as cable TV or PPV and say it isnt internet traffic?
Even assuming that Verizon had to observe Network Neutrality "rules" on Home Fusion, which they don't, NN only applies to Internet (capital-I) routed data, not private traffic. | |
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Verizon is in the business of maximizing profits. So if Verizon can make more money from customers streaming from Netflix (via $10/GB overage charges) than from streaming from Redbox/Verizon (via a $8-10 monthly fee) then it will prefer the first option. | |
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2012-Oct-23 2:40 pm
Re: Overages ! Ca chingsaid by PastTense:Verizon is in the business of maximizing profits. So if Verizon can make more money from customers streaming from Netflix (via $10/GB overage charges) than from streaming from Redbox/Verizon (via a $8-10 monthly fee) then it will prefer the first option.
Wrong. Overage charges kill goodwill and beget turnover - Mom cancels the whole account and/or learns about prepaid. With iPhone customers worth at least $2K/each, no company is looking to offend over $10/gb; they want your $120/month and your two-year renewal. Only Sprint has officially fired customers, and they paid for it. | |
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Nope. Redbox Home Fusion streams will be off-net, toll-free, overage-exempt bulk-rate, forward-cached, etc.
Has that been confirmed by Verizon? Last I heard the terms of the plan were a complete unknown... | |
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2012-Oct-23 8:21 pm
Re: Overages ! Ca chingsaid by Lamiel:Nope. Redbox Home Fusion streams will be off-net, toll-free, overage-exempt bulk-rate, forward-cached, etc.
Has that been confirmed by Verizon? Last I heard the terms of the plan were a complete unknown... Pure speculation. | |
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said by WHT:At $10 per 1 GB, I can see that working very well for Verizon investors.
I'm pretty sure you don't need Verizon service to get this. | |
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2012-Oct-23 12:52 pm
Won't have any more content that Netflix$8 for streaming either way. Also I like al the hyperbole Karl says when he mentions "huge" price increases on Netflix. Really my price didn't go up. I still pay $8 a month as always. Karl must have stock in Coinstar or Verizon. | |
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Re: Won't have any more content that NetflixYour price did not go up because you choose to keep one service or the other, but did not get both.
However, if you decide to keep your service how it was with both streaming and DVD delivery then your price pretty much doubled?
I was not a Netflix customer before, so I may be wrong on this. But it was my understanding that in the beginning you got both services for about the same price as you get one for now. | |
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2012-Oct-23 1:14 pm
Re: Won't have any more content that NetflixIt was $10 for both. | |
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Re: Won't have any more content that Netflixsaid by silbaco:It was $10 for both.
Oh that's right so I got a price REDUCTION since I never used the DVD rental part and only wanted streaming. | |
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said by Skippy25:Your price did not go up because you choose to keep one service or the other, but did not get both. Actually I never bothered with the DVD rental. | |
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said by Skippy25:Your price did not go up because you choose to keep one service or the other, but did not get both.
However, if you decide to keep your service how it was with both streaming and DVD delivery then your price pretty much doubled?
I was not a Netflix customer before, so I may be wrong on this. But it was my understanding that in the beginning you got both services for about the same price as you get one for now.
Only some of the Netflix plans went up. I'm talking streaming and rental plans. The one I was on went down 6.5%. Several plans went up, one stayed the same, and two or three went down in price. The news always focused on the 1 out plan which had a larger percentage increase, but Netflix had plans ranging from 1 out to 8 out plus streaming. Again, my Netflix streaming and rental plan did not go up, it went down in price. | |
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2012-Oct-23 12:57 pm
Verizon BusinessJust like their coming pay with your phone credit card service I will never us this service. Verizon screws their customers due mainly to the duolopy and lack of choice. Here I have a choice whether to use Redbox and I will NOT. No discretionary revenue to you Verizon. | |
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2012-Oct-23 1:35 pm
Re: Verizon Businesssaid by rit56:Just like their coming pay with your phone credit card service I will never us this service. Verizon screws their customers due mainly to the duolopy and lack of choice. Here I have a choice whether to use Redbox and I will NOT. No discretionary revenue to you Verizon.
Verizon will probably link the low monthly payment if you have Verizon family share plan so as to get you over that cap and stick you with overages. This whole idea is going to stink to data cap heaven. | |
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You have a choice to not use Verizon cell phone service too. So please. | |
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Another lost opportunityThis is a great idea for suburban/rural areas, but VZ refuses to price it right. Also, those overage caps are way too high.
VZ had a winner, until they over-priced this thing. | |
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