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ninjapaul
join:2001-05-05
Wilmington, NC | woah And the whole operation is being headed by Elvis! I knew he was up to something.. | |
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@67.105.x.x | Thank ya verreh much . . Uh . . . how did 'ya find me out? I was usin' the money that I made to corner the market on jelly donuts.
By the way, its true that this is connected with a carnivore -- me! Ah eat meat all the time. | |
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join:2001-02-14
Issaquah, WA | thank god for Webwasher  | |
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Bolo
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Naperville, IL
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nklb
Premium
join:2000-11-17
Ann Arbor, MI
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@concentric.ne
| what do you prefer: an internet free of pop-up ads where there aren't free services to be found, or an internet ripe with free services that are funded by pop-up ads that are easily disposed of?
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AlterEgo
join:2001-01-09
Bayside, NY
| Re: Internet Roaches! I reserve my right to hate pop-up advertisements. And I reserve my right to bash them whenever I want to. (We have this thing called free speech, remember? ) If companies want to advertise, there are lots of unintrusive ways of doing so. Spending God-know-how-much money for the pop-under ads won't do anything for X10's bottom-line. It's already done wonders for their reputation-- it did much more harm than my expression of irritation.
You go ahead and enjoy them. As for me, I could care less.
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join:2001-02-18
Seattle, WA
| Its amazing how people (children in particular) get so irate about advertising on the internet, as if transmitting data over a copper string (owned by someone else) could be somehow be equated with freedom of speech. Radio frequencies are a limited resource that the public does have an interest and right to allocate, yet these same foul mouthed children don't seem to be bothered by the beer, deodorant, automobile, and other useless junk peddled on their TV's. Go figure. If they object to looking at pop-ups, they can use a utility to block them. | |
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chasmp
Are We There Yet?
join:2000-11-16
Rockville, MD
| Re: Internet Roaches! This is still unsolicited advertising. A TV viewer or Radio listener has the simple ability to change the channel to avoid the ads. Also, they make a good bathroom break.
What are you going to do while surfing? Get up every three minutes? Also,there are many people not aware enough of what's going on, or know how to find and install these blockers.
Shoot, I'm happy that my Dad communicates by email now. Why should he have to worry about such a nuisance? He hasn't reached the age yet that he'll need a 3 minute reminder for bathroom breaks.
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quit yer bitchin' and help keep the internet free.
Huh? FREE? I dunno about you, but I already PAY for my internet access.
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join:2001-01-16
Glenolden, PA
| Amen Brother. I am a MIS Manager for a Northeastern food company. I blocked these intrusive "roaches" through our web filtering software. However, every time a sight is visited by an end-user, an error is now generated. No more graffic uploads, but allot more help-desk calls. These basterds are what is WRONG with the internet, whoever ther are. | |
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mr sean
Professional Infidel
Premium,ExMod 2001-07
join:2001-04-03
N. Absentia
clubs:
| Government officials aver... ...there is absolutely no truth to the rumor that x10 is associated with Carnivore.
[text was edited by carnivore 2001-11-01 01:29]
But it looks like your hair is still a mess
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join:2001-10-24
Boonton, NJ | mr sean i have a feeling you work for the government. | |
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join:2001-03-04
Rancho Cucamonga, CA | 4M77-21 Rosebud | |
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kkb
Not a zombie
join:2000-06-11
Montrose, CO
| About that popup... quote:
Rumors on the internet suggest that the x10 company may be a government funded project that connects, through mechanism as yet unknown, with the FBI Carnivore project.
Dude, that's not JUST a picture of camera. It IS a camera that turns your display into a two-way monitor.;)
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join:2001-10-30
Dallas, TX | Re: About that popup... yes i found that when i carry my laptop to the john with me then i do not get as many x10 popups. i believe they have smellavision on that too. | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | i used to buy from X10, now i stopped. I bought alot from x10.com, then once these beyond intrusive ads started appearing, I decided never to shop there again.
BOYCOTT them!
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@209.125.x.x | Re: i used to buy from X10, now i stopped. Uh. The website that sells adspace to x10 knows perfectly well they are pop-under. So your boycott is misdirected. If none of the websites allowed the ad, it wouldn't exist. Now would it?
Boycott all cars to prevent drunk driving accidents! | |
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No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | Anonymost,
Get a brain, X10 knows exactly what there adverstising firms are hired out to do, if they dont, they are as stupid as you.
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K A R - 1 2 0 C
Premium
join:2000-07-13
Key West, FL
| Like X-10 is the only one???? I have seen many different ones.... all in the exact same format (size, placement, etc)
This is a marketing company behind this somewhere not any individual business advertiser.
Problem with all the Pop Up stoppers is they kill all NEW windows calls, even ones I initiate. Though I would be glad to hear of one that doesn't
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join:2001-03-26
Powell, OH
| Re: Like X-10 is the only one???? Pop-up stopper lets you hold down CTRL while you click on a link with a javascript window opening call and it will let it open. It's not bad at all...if you click on a link you want and you see the stopper tray icon flashing, you know what's up and just hold down ctrl and click again and presto! | |
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Tom G
join:2000-10-26
South Elgin, IL
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| Re: Like X-10 is the only one???? I also use Pop-Up Stopper. I like the audio prompts it emits when clobbering pop-ups. Sounds kind of like a Star Wars battle at some P-U heavy sites.
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clyde_
It's A Chrysalis, Not A Cocoon
Premium
join:2001-05-02
Easley, SC
| I use AtGuard which does ad blocking through a list of http addresses (and it is a firewall too). It kills anything that is put into the list yet still allows new window calls. New ads can sneak through if they're not in the list, but usually all it takes is once for me. Not all popup killers necessarily work the same.
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join:2001-03-02
Huntington Beach, CA
clubs: | classmates.com is another one. They have a very good service, and I actually use their site quite a bit, but their pop-up spam windows are really quite annoying. | |
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Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI | Problem with all the Pop Up stoppers is they kill all NEW windows calls, even ones I initiate. Though I would be glad to hear of one that doesn't
Hold down the shift key when you call a new window and Pop Up stopper won't kill it. | |
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Premium
join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
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| Here is how I block them. I just add their domain to my banned URL listing in McAfee Virus Scan. See the example below. | |
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K A R - 1 2 0 C
Premium
join:2000-07-13
Key West, FL
| Re: Like X-10 is the only one???? said by jimgurd:
Here is how I block them. I just add their domain to my banned URL listing in McAfee Virus Scan. See the example below.
ARRRGGGHHHH!!!! from any version of MacAfee I have ever used, MVS itself is far more of a virus that anything it might stop. Unless they have VASTLY improved it, it creates its own conflicts, is a pain to configure (or things just can't be done)... and uninstalling it is as bad as AOL.... little pieces and reg entries left lying all over.
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It's A Chrysalis, Not A Cocoon
Premium
join:2001-05-02
Easley, SC | Re: Like X-10 is the only one???? Well then don't use MacAfee 
Besides Norton Antivirus blows it away hands down.
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»www.analogx.com/contents/downloa···/pow.htm | |
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join:2001-10-30
Dallas, TX | x10 POPUP BYTES I contacted the webmaster and was told that you should only get one popup per login session regardless of how many pages you hit. I really don't believe that. Do you? | |
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Australian
join:1999-05-28
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: x10 POPUP BYTES if so, how come at the end of the day I can have between 3 to six of them lying in wait, depending on what sites I visited?
Also - if you disable advert cookies, as you should for other reasons, then they don't know its you again.. and can't stop sending you the popups. | |
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DSLReportsCo
join:2001-10-30
Dallas, TX | BIG POPPA PUMP thats because you leave your little windows open when you disconnect. close them each time they pop up | |
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JYoung
G L 2814
join:2000-06-13
Sherman Oaks, CA | Ban it! This is why ads.x10.com is on my firewall's list of banned sites...... | |
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join:2000-11-26
Granite Quarry, NC | Re: Ban it! That's absolutely brilliant. It turns out that Zone Alarm has a Restricted Zone Setting. Put the advertiser in the list and nothing shows up anymore. Thanks for the idea. | |
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as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | does the firewall way still open a window but blank? | |
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@swbell.ne | Whats all the hub bub I dont get but maybe one x10 pop-up a day. if that. I have no pop-up stoper and i do a lot of web surfing. I did used to see them all the time. Not anymore though. I wonder why i dont see it anymore? I dont smell do I? | |
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xeo
Premium
join:2001-04-19 | Ban it! yea.... thanks that really helped.  | |
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gwion
wild colonial boy
Premium,ExMod 2001-08
join:2000-12-28
Pittsburgh, PA
| Oh, no! They're inside the computer, Mabel... Hurry ... where's the tinfoil hats? X10 dot com's as old as the public internet. It's been in operation as a mailorder since long before the internet. X10 is "ancient" technology. It actually has nothing to do with cameras, but that's what they're pushing, right now... x10 is a home control technology invented in 1968 that relies on "spikes" at the zero crossing point of the ~60Hz sine wave of your electrical system to turn lights and appliances on and off.
Carnivore doesn't need this kind of cloak and dagger "hit generation." It works at the ISP, not at a remote monitoring station, like echelon. They aren't sniffing you, they're logging you, if you're surveilled that way. Even if that reference was meant as a satirical shot, it's silly... why would they rely on infantile script kiddie tricks?
Popunders are damn annoying, though. Also bandwidth wasters. They're not just screwing the user, they're junking up the internet with worthless crapola... if they want to keeop it under your eye, a banner would work better... and, just to momentarily return to carnivore, web bugging would be far more subtle, and easier to slide through to a properly configured (java/X secure) browser...
And what's Steve talking about? Proxomitron or web washer, to name just two, will kill the popup... just as effectively as a properly configured "internet zone" will in IE... my nickel's worth ... (;) inflation)...
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ddavtian
join:2000-08-19
San Jose, CA |  How could they afford all that advertising space?
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Australian
join:1999-05-28
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: How could they afford all that advertising space? Well, as far as I can tell, they can't..
they were shooting for an IPO. Their last filed results to support this IPO, to march 2000, was a loss of 3.2 million, but gee, who wouldn't want to invest their retirement money in one of "the top 10 internet media properties" according to the rating agencies.
In fact the latest jupiter report has them at #5 due to these pop-unders.
On September 26th, 2001 (a few weeks ago) they withdrew the IPO plan..
I wonder if the adverts will soon vanish. One can hope
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join:2000-11-11
Clifton Park, NY | A lot of these kinds of ads are CPC (Cost Per Click) or CPA (Cost Per Action) based. If no one clicks (or buys), then it doesn't cost them a penny! | |
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@66.120.x.x
| Well, I have ordered from them on a few occasions. Once they double-charged my credit card... took them a week to refund the 2nd charge. And once the charged me 7 times!!! Fortunately that was a small purchase, so it didn't bust my account.
My point is, maybe this is how they can afford all those ads... they "temporarily" overcharge their customers (the people who, possibly, are responding to all those ads in the first place). The interest they collect from the extra charges funds their advertising budget.
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Thanks
Premium
join:2001-10-07
Quincy, MA
| Perverts It just goes to show that their advertising ploy is to use it to make people want it to use it to spy on a female in the pool... thats ALL They show every advertisement they stick a pretty girl in it to make men look like perverts..
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| Re: Perverts said by CutandWaste:
It just goes to show that their advertising ploy is to use it to make people want it to use it to spy on a female in the pool... thats ALL They show every advertisement they stick a pretty girl in it to make men look like perverts..
Totally cynical of them. But remember those 'x-ray' specs advertised in comic books? this hook is as old as the hills. Next advertising idea.. perhaps hypnotism? [subtext: hypnotise women] | |
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SparkChaser
'til we outnumber em
Premium
join:2000-06-06
Downingtown, PA | Re: Perverts said by justin:
remember those 'x-ray' specs advertised in comic books?
Excellent analogy. | |
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Kablemodem
join:2001-01-05
Sherman Oaks, CA | We are perverts. I've been getting "pop-ups" long before the X-10 came along. | |
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nulery
join:2000-07-28
Arlington Heights, IL
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join:2001-01-02
Fremont, CA | Re: Best use of a cookie seen yet! Another way to get rid of the popup is to assign fake IP number for it in you "host" files.
eg. ads.x10.com 127.0.0.1
This will fool our computer that ads.x10.com is at 127.0.0.1, which is your computer....
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| sure. (see my previous post - no need even for once a month visits).
But, just playing devils advocate here.. x10 strongly protest that their pop-unders are 'best' and the 'most unobtrusive' method of advertising.
Then they give you detailed procedures to remove them, and long explanations why they are using this ad strategy. One senses that they are defensive. Could they be annoying internet users perhaps? Why would a company want to annoy its target market? A cynic may suggest their main customers are (or were, now the IPO is pulled) wall street, instead of us.
Why if they are trying to help internet users, are they providing a manual facility to shut them up? Why should people be required to visit their site and click an opt out link every month (notice: the opt-out pages still advertise their products, and bounce you to more adverts) in order to tell them they are not interested in their products?
If I stuff your mailbox with unwanted catalogs, it would be outrageous and probably also illegal to suggest you have to cancel the catalogs monthly .. month in, month out.
In the end.. though, one should vote with ones feet and stay off sites that make the mistake of getting into bed with a company so technically incompetent that it bombards you with unwanted advertisements (which clearly cost both x10, and you money to deliver).. yet this foot voting is not happening.
The angry ones click the optout links, or simply boost the arms race between advertisers and users by installing ever more fancy defense software -- making things harder for everyone.
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join:2000-07-28
Arlington Heights, IL
| Re: Best use of a cookie seen yet! said by justin:
In the end.. though, one should vote with ones feet and stay off sites that make the mistake of getting into bed with a company so technically incompetent that it bombards you with unwanted advertisements (which clearly cost both x10, and you money to deliver).. yet this foot voting is not happening.
While true we could stay away from those sites, we are unlikely to change the behavior of content providers since the on-line advertising market has dried up.
Although, I have to admit that I have stopped visiting one site (speedvision.com) because of their advertising -- at least while I'm at the office. They use advertising hosted on a server named www.twistedhumor.com. While the advertising is harmless, the site is blocked and flagged my the proxy servers in use at my office. Too many attempted hits to that site, and my user ID gets flagged.
I e-mailed the webmaster at Speedvision who said that there was nothing inappropriate about their advertising and didn't seem to get my complaint ... it was hosted on a server with questionable content, there fore my access to their site was flagged and logged by my employer's network administrator.
I guess the real question is, can content providers really make it with just advertising revenue. Justin, you can probably better answer this question, but I doubt it. | |
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join:2000-04-15
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| Re: Best use of a cookie seen yet! said by radmish:
Change the link from 30 days to 999999 then visit it
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It didn't work. I figured out (through trial and error) that the highest value it will take is 13227. Click the link below to set the cookie block until January 2038.
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