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Aereo Cozies Up to Pay TV Operators
In Talks With Dish and AT&T About OTT Bundles
by Karl Bode 04:19PM Friday Apr 05 2013
Over the air streaming video provider Aereo won their second major legal victory against the broadcast industry yesterday when an injunction was denied and a court again declared the company's $12 a month broadband streaming service does not violate copyright. Obviously the fight is long from over, and according to the Wall Street Journal, the company has been holding talks with pay TV operators including AT&T and Dish Network. Publicly, Aereo will only say the company is looking at developing partnerships related to content, devices or distribution that will "help increase the choice and flexibility for the consumer."

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silbaco
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USA

Aereo

Aereo doesn't have to pay broadcasters carriage fees, and Dish does. A partnership with Dish could save Dish a lot of money and bring in a lot of money for Aereo. Sound like a win win.

I am not convinced Aereo will not implode however.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: Aereo

Roku has the same idea basically. Become an MVNO and move on. Dish is currently providing the international channels to Roku and they have stated before (last year many times) that an MVNO is possible.
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
How does it save Dish money? Aereo's legal standing is based upon connecting each user to a tuner and separate antenna in their facilities. How would Dish leverage this to provide OTA to their subscribers through the satellite? Unless the Dish customer also signs up for satellite broadband and Dish has the bandwidth to stream Aereo's OTA channels to the consumer, I don't see how Dish could partner with Aereo and stop paying carriage fees.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: Aereo

Dish wouldn't really save money on carriage fees- unless Aereo PAID Dish to be an MVNO. Which would reduce the amount Dish pays directly since they can split the cost with Aereo.

But what this could do is give Dish the power and network to stream without spending much money since Aereo already has that. They can just peer their networks together over Fiber.
Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
some of the dish boxes can have antenna tuners added to them so maybe if a sub has a working antenna and then they say for that sub they do not have to pay the broadcasters carriage fees.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: Aereo

the antenna tuner on the box isn't going to improve anything. Aereo isn't giving you antennas to put at your home. they're streaming you your OTA service on the Internet. You already put your antenna at their data bank.
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
I don't think the satellites are under a "must carry" rule like a typical cable co. At least they weren't when they first started because they didn't have the capacity to do so. Unless something has changed, I think a subscriber getting locals is an option, not a requirement. Therefore they can already not pay for that subscriber if the subscriber has decent OTA local service (with an external antenna as you cite) and chooses not to receive their local channel feeds through the satellite. If this is still an option, the customer is using their satellite receiver as a local tuner and Dish (or DirecTV) doesn't have to pay carriage fees.

Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

What a howler

Talk about beimg hoisted on their own petard. The judge asked the Broadcasters how is the coin sized Aereo device any different from a regular antenna. When they explained the Judge say OK if the Aeroe device is illegal then a regular TV antenna is too....Good by.
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MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX
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The court decision has not happened, contrary to this story

Karl's story says:

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a court again declared the company's $12 a month broadband streaming service does not violate copyright.

That is not what happened. The appeals court, by a 2-1 margin, declined to reverse the lower court's refusal to issue a preliminary injunction shutting down Aereo. The courts have yet to declare whether Aereo violates copyrights or not.
MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX
kudos:5

Re: The court decision has not happened, contrary to this story

Latest news: Aereo has filed for summary judgement in the case less than a month ago. We await Judge Alison Nathan's ruling.

»www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-1···uit.html

NickD
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Princeton Junction, NJ
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Aereo

In the meanwhile, Aereo can build up a critical mass of users, and if they are deemed to be illegal, they can get the rights to broadcast local channels from Dish. If it's deemed legal, Dish can end the contracts to rebroadcast locals, and bundle Aereo with the service. They could also incorporate the Aereo receiver into the satellite receiver so that people can seamlessly switch between satellite and locals. I'm sure eventually, Dish would like to stream their entire channel library online to offer "satellite" TV to those who cannot receive it, and Aereo has the technology for that. Dish has the leverage of being able to negotiate online streaming rights because of the sheer number of customers it has. Within a decade, bandwidth and reliability will increase to the point that it'll be possible for 5 people in a house to stream an HD channel and there would be plenty of bandwidth left over.

themaninda

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Re: Aereo/speaking of dish

there was an new york times article dish bought up 600,000 million in lightsquard debt meaning they own more than half i wonder what they have in mind wanting to become a cell mvno or pick up where lightsquard left off im sure they dish could obtain the fcc waiver that lightsquard wasent able to obtain.hmn
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: Aereo/speaking of dish

Dish was/is working on their own LTE network that has been said countless times on here and on other news sites. They have the money they just need to put it to use; but i don't see them selling phone service- more like running their own TV and Internet services over it. Would be stupid of them to try to focus on phone and play with that when TV is their primary business and they do a great job at it.
davidhoffman
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Warner Robins, GA
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600,000 multiplied by $1,000,000 = $600,000,000,000 = $ 600 Billion dollars. Does Lightsquared really have $1.2 Trillion dollars in debt?
rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay

How is it legal?

I have no love for cable companies or broadcasters, but I'd love to know the legal foundation which permits re-broadcasting copyrighted content (by any method, over the air or via network) without permission.

Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

Re: How is it legal?

According to Leo LaPort at TWiT it has something to do with the rulings on Slingbox.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: How is it legal?

Actually they are not rebroadcasting the service. What Aereo is doing- is what Slingbox does but takes it a step farther. It's basically co-locating your antenna and using Sling to shoot it across the Internet. Each person has their own antenna and DVR space; they pay for their own antennas, etc. If they were rebroadcasting- they would have ONE antenna split among everyone but they don't, which is how the Slingbox rulings could come in to play.
openbox9
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Re: How is it legal?

How is the content not retransmitted when/if the bit rate is changed? The content is received, stored, altered, and then transmitted, regardless of how many receivers exist.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: How is it legal?

By the way Aereo and Slingbox are set up- you already paid for the content- so you already have the rights to stream it to yourself. As long as you don't charge for it- it wouldn't be retransmitting.

Retransmitting- would be as a MSO, IPTV provider or D* provider.
openbox9
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Germany
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Re: How is it legal?

said by TBBroadband:

As long as you don't charge for it- it wouldn't be retransmitting.

So, the $12/mth fee?
mogamer

join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI

Re: How is it legal?

said by openbox9:

said by TBBroadband:

As long as you don't charge for it- it wouldn't be retransmitting.

So, the $12/mth fee?

Is for leasing their equipment to pick-up ota signals instead of buying equipment yourself. I think Aereo also provides dvr services with that money.

If someone sends out their broadcasts for free over the air, then what right do they have in limiting what equipment someone can use to pick-up that signal? As long as those broadcasts aren't being sent out of market, this service should be legal.

dib22

join:2002-01-27
Kansas City, MO

Fox to shut down OTA broadcasts if Aereo is allowed

Only faux

»www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-0···-1-.html

News Corp. (NWSA)’s Fox network will go off the air and become a cable channel if U.S. courts don’t stop Internet startup Aereo Inc. from retransmitting shows like “The Simpsons” without permission, said Chief Operating Officer Chase Carey.