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All VPN are not created equalMost people don't know that if you use a VPN provider that will dime you out to the media companies and keep logs, you are simply wasting your VPN money. Most of the popular ones will turn you over in a second (strong, donkey-named ones, etc), and any that terminate in US/Canada. There are other anonymous ways now to try to slow them and of course Tor, but one must know what they are doing otherwise you will just fall into a trap. Check this out if you are serious, but know if you create a VPN tunnel that has an endpoint is the US/Canada, you are wasting your time. I heavily use VPN for privacy in my hotel and wifi travels. Some hotels block PPTP/L2TP, so I moved to openvpn and nobody has blocked that one yet. I never operate on a public link without a VPN connection, and run secure SSL when possible to reduce Verizon snooping on me too (HTTPS Everywhere) » torrentfreak.com/vpn-ser ··· -130302/Those are the public methods, per se. | |
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2013-May-6 5:14 pm
Re: All VPN are not created equalThe more circumvention is needed to use pirate bay, ultimately the fewer will use it. Sure, you can find a way, but only diehards will make the effort. | |
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Re: All VPN are not created equalsaid by FFH5:The more circumvention is needed to use pirate bay, ultimately the fewer will use it. Sure, you can find a way, but only diehards will make the effort.
or, someone will offer a simple service (funded by advertising or whatever) and people will use that. the way the governments work, they will never let it be known if they ever (already) have transparency as to copyright infringement and torrents. they'll want to use the transparency as a way to eavesdrop on issues that matter more, or as a way to infiltrate the organized crime that is increasingly using the same infrastructure to coordinate "real" crime. sure, some MPAA/RIAA big wig will get some senator elected, and that senator will push the FBI into tracking down a particularly egregious original seeder or two, but that's about it. the truth is, the ISPs are keeping track of upload and download bandwidth for each user, and just based on the volume of traffic, they know 99.99% who's downloading illicit material. VPN or no VPN. the scary thing is whether volume, by itself, will ever be enough to trigger a discovery request/strike. all a private ISP needs is a TOS add-on that states they can kill your service for suspect usage until you submit an affidavit indicating what your traffic is and including some kind of corroborating evidence (like a netflix purchase order, security cam access, some kind of server service - that they allow). i'm still trying to figure out if the incremental drop in torrenting in favor of netflix is just a bandwidth apportionment effect, or if there's a real switch. | |
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The vast majority of VPNs will not turn your over to media companies unless instructed to do so by court. And in that case, they have to. They are not willing to break the law so you can. | |
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Depends if your VPN provider keeps logs, in the EU they have to. There is no logging requirements here (and many US based advertise they don't keep logs), so you may actually be safer to terminate in the US. | |
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Do VPN's slow you down much? Say you have 20/2
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Re: All VPN are not created equalsaid by cypherstream:Do VPN's slow you down much? Say you have 20/2
Mbps... How much overhead plus all the other VPN subscribers hurt your throughput?
Yah. I tried a VPN on my 50mbps connection. If I ran the VPN through the router it went down to about 8-10mbps. If I ran the software package on PC it was about 17-18mbps. I've yet to find a VPN that can handle faster internet speeds. | |
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Re: All VPN are not created equalvpn's don't speedtest well for various reasons, so mbps is not the way to measure them, MB/s is. if you torrent ubuntu files through a VPN your 4MB/s capable IPS should yield 2.6MB/s on a good VPN. my 2.4MB/s 19mbps ISP service give me about 1.6MB/s while p2p/torrenting, which is fast enough to get an hour of 460p content in under 5 minutes. outlet country distance also matters, as I'm 25% faster from US-CA than I am from US-NL. 
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said by elefante72:Most people don't know that if you use a VPN provider that will dime you out to the media companies and keep logs, you are simply wasting your VPN money.
Most of the popular ones will turn you over in a second (strong, donkey-named ones, etc), and any that terminate in US/Canada.
There are other anonymous ways now to try to slow them and of course Tor, but one must know what they are doing otherwise you will just fall into a trap.
Check this out if you are serious, but know if you create a VPN tunnel that has an endpoint is the US/Canada, you are wasting your time.
I heavily use VPN for privacy in my hotel and wifi travels. Some hotels block PPTP/L2TP, so I moved to openvpn and nobody has blocked that one yet. I never operate on a public link without a VPN connection, and run secure SSL when possible to reduce Verizon snooping on me too (HTTPS Everywhere)
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Those are the public methods, per se.
It still helps though. The copyright trolls don't seem to be trying very hard. They log onto a torrent, pull all the ip address, and request info in a specific country. I don't think we've seen it yet to the point where say a company trolling for infringement in Holland probes a VPN which redirects the lawsuit back to the states. I don't think its that sophisticated yet. They really go after the noobs and people who don't try to cover their tracks at all. Another thing popping up with VPN's and Torrent Proxy's is shared IP address. Where the provider doesn't give out a single ip address per customer. That way if something legal does come back, they go all our clients use the IP address.. it doesn't belong to an individual. | |
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That TorrentFreak article that you referenced is a very good source for picking a VPN provider. I chose mine based on it. | |
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2013-May-6 5:18 pm
It's a good sign for media companies being piratedVPNs are over here in "computer nerd" territory. We've always had access to pirated stuff if we choose, it's mainstream adoption (like Napster, Pirate Bay) that worries media companies. It's crazy that they aren't letting Netflix get bigger; when people have a choice between VPN piracy and Netflix, they are gonna choose Netflix. | |
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2013-May-6 5:23 pm
Re: It's a good sign for media companies being piratedIf Netflix would pay them rates comparable to what they get from advertisers, they might be more willing. | |
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said by axus:VPNs are over here in "computer nerd" territory. We've always had access to pirated stuff if we choose, it's mainstream adoption (like Napster, Pirate Bay) that worries media companies. It's crazy that they aren't letting Netflix get bigger; when people have a choice between VPN piracy and Netflix, they are gonna choose Netflix.
That's a valid point. When you have people paying just as much (or more) for VPN's or Usenet access than the authentic product. It definitely shows the pirated product is superior. Why wouldn't you want to compete with that? | |
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2013-May-6 6:07 pm
LOLI run mine through a VPN. It works pretty well. I get about 1.2MBytes/s symmetrical through it on Comcast. | |
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2013-May-6 8:52 pm
Does TW not care?I've downloaded stuff on Pirate Bay and never have received a letter. I don't do it often, but for all I know it's legal stuff. Family members using different ISPs would receive letters fairly quickly. | |
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Re: Does TW not care?said by fartness:I've downloaded stuff on The Pirate Bay and never have received a letter. I don't do it often, but for all I know it's legal stuff. Family members using different ISP's would receive letters fairly quickly. It depends on what you are downloading. I've downloaded some rare, out of print and foreign stuff that I could not get in a legit manner if I wanted to and never got any letters. If it would cost MAFIAA members more to put or keep something in print that won't get purchased much, they could care less if a few random Joe Schmoes pirate it without paying a penny. However, if you are downloading a song, album, movie or TV show that recently came out, there's a high probability that they will ID you. Whatever is popular at the moment and is making them a ton of money, they want as many people as possible to buy it and will go after those who pirate it. | |
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Re: All VPN are not created equalThe performance cut is well worth not naked torrenting once you secure the VPN from drops and DNS leaks, else you blew your cover and ISP sees you're downloading "The CareBears". | |
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Reminds me of the old bulletin boardsWhere people would have to dial in direct. | |
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Not the best way but it helpsI use peerblock to help block out the bad ip's from even seeing me.
I know it's not a fool proof way to stop the RIAA but it helps.
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Re: Not the best way but it helpspeerblock is worthless against 6 strikes ISP notices since your ISP uses a MAC address and could not care less what public IP you use. encryption does not deter the P2P packet frame detection your ISP is doing on your connection to smack you with a 6 strikes notice. denial is not just a river in egypt...  | |
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Private torrent sitesI got 3 letters from Cablevision until a friend of mine got me invites to a few private torrent sites. Until then I was using the public crap like Pirate Bay. Im not talking about the wanna-be ones like the now defunct Demonoid. Demonoid is about as private as the mens room at the Y. Haven't got a letter since. You have to have your torrent client configured correctly and you must use an approved client. You can also check if handshake encryption is working correctly as well.
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Re: Private torrent sitesDemonoid was never a 'wanna-be' private torrent site. It was an EXCELLENT one. | |
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Re: Private torrent sitesIf anyone can get an invite to a private tracker then that defeats the purpose of it being private. Its funny how many people thought that crap was private. I used Demonoid a lot and about 75% of the torrents came up as public when I would get info on it in my client.
If the MPAA and RIAA can get into the tracker, then anyone can download the torrent files and get the IP's of anyone downloading the files. Do your research. God... | |
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Demonoid was never private, almost every torrent was cross loaded there and through the public trackers. | |
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More like 80%Sure it's more than 8%. How did they get that number? Probably from known proxies. What about the undiscovered ones and VPNs? I never torrent without expressvpn.biz because my ISP is always messing with my bandwidth. | |
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