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FFH5
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2013-May-17 2:52 pm
Put blame where it belongs - an admin cover-upVerizon is not the villain here. It is an administration that wanted to muzzle the press and coverup its misdeeds. Verizon merely responded to legal demands by the justice department for info. Trying to spread the blame and muddy the waters is just an attempt to let the real villains off the hook. | |
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Re: Put blame where it belongs - an admin cover-upBut if Verizon and a multitude of other companies believed in the law of 'warrant please', plus 'lets see if this warrant you finally got is actually valid', people wouldn't continue to be illegally searched and illegally fondled since Dubyas 9/11 B.S.
If the corporation is then punished for refusing to give out unwarranted private information like its raining, then they must purposely publish that information. But then the catch22 of how the corporations bribes to the government may no longer be honored for a few months.
Patriot Act is better known as Martial Law. Different name but still a crime against the people. Once you let government do something, its really hard to stop it years later as law enforcement and people who think they are law enforcement since they got a uniform and a shiny badge grows accustomed to violating people in the name of paranoia.
Meanwhile certain unhinged members of congress and the senate keep asking questions of Administration appointees and Administration officers who can't answer the questions due to the answers being a National secret. Leaks from morons in elected office are so fun to investigate. Paranoid conspiracy nuts on National Defense and People who think the world is 6,000 years old who are on Science committees. what a clusterf*ck. | |
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Verizon is a bad guy here. They had the right to request clarification, and do a little more to protect the privacy of their customers. I agree that the justice department is the real villain here, but let's not muddy the waters and let Verizon off the hook. | |
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skeechan
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2013-May-17 4:19 pm
Re: Put blame where it belongs - an admin cover-up...And face the wrath of the most corrupt and vindictive administration in history? Yeah right. | |
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KrK
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2013-May-17 10:17 pm
Re: Put blame where it belongs - an admin cover-upHmmm. Not in Office, at the moment. So, unlikely. | |
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Yea - right... I can think of many other admins worse - several in fact.
Thanks for the laugh - I needed it. | |
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said by skeechan:...And face the wrath of the most corrupt and vindictive administration in history? Yeah right. Were you saying the same thing when the previous administration was also doing the same? I'm betting no. | |
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skeechan
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2013-May-18 10:42 am
Re: Put blame where it belongs - an admin cover-upThe dolts in the previous admin were pikers compared to the Chicago machine, but way to deflect. | |
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Don't forget that carriers charge anywhere from $500-1500 per record so this is a huge profit center for them. | |
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2013-May-17 10:16 pm
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But, I thought the press was all liberal and did that stuff on it's own? Right? | |
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And this is the fruition of policies supporting illegal wiretaps and the retroactive immunity..... Which you were quite a champion of on these forums.... | |
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wkm001
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2013-May-17 3:26 pm
Burner phones for all the...press!!! | |
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Re: Burner phones for all the...It started long before Osama took office and will not end until the sheeple wake up and demand that those that violate the Constitution and the laws of the land be imprisoned for it OR they just string them all up with piano wire from the nearest lamppost. | |
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Anon1
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2013-May-17 3:35 pm
Disclosure regarding subpoenas is illegalI doubt most of you have actually been issued one of these. The language on these letters and court orders clearly notes the below law USC 3123. Disclosing any wiretaps, requests for records, ect is illegal. (d) Nondisclosure of Existence of Pen Register or a Trap and Trace Device. An order authorizing or approving the installation and use of a pen register or a trap and trace device shall direct that (1) the order be sealed until otherwise ordered by the court; and (2) the person owning or leasing the line or other facility to which the pen register or a trap and trace device is attached or applied, or who is obligated by the order to provide assistance to the applicant, not disclose the existence of the pen register or trap and trace device or the existence of the investigation to the listed subscriber, or to any other person, unless or until otherwise ordered by the court. » www.law.cornell.edu/usco ··· /18/3123 | |
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StuartMW
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2013-May-17 4:16 pm
Their motto is...The gummints motto is
All your bases data are belong to us!
In the name of
• Protecting the children.
• Protecting us from terrorists.
that fact is not going to change.
PS: As a corollary anyone that doesn't hand over data the gummint wants is either a terrorist supporter or hates children. | |
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2013-May-17 4:32 pm
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2013-May-17 4:34 pm
Re: Their motto is...If they're under 18 you go to jail for that | |
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LOL, Which Carrier Is Better? AT&T?Is AT&T where all Verizon customers will run to, to avoid this scenario?
AT&T are the folks that let the NSA install snoops in their switch rooms.
You can run but you can't hide. All the carriers do this. | |
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Re: LOL, Which Carrier Is Better? AT&T?All the telco's installed direct connections to their core routers. What do you think the data center in Utah is for? You aren't safe with any of them unless you are using your own encryption system built by your own hands. | |
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openbox9
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2013-May-18 8:47 pm
Re: LOL, Which Carrier Is Better? AT&T?Or you come to terms with the fact that privacy simply doesn't exist in a world electronic communications and the Internet. | |
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Technology is the enemy of privacy!Advances in technology have made the abuses of citizens privacy rights too easy. We need some new lawmakers to replace the spineless ones that will push back on these abuses. Remember technology is enemy of privacy! | |
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KrK
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2013-May-17 10:19 pm
Re: Technology is the enemy of privacy!No, people are the problem. Not Technology. It is merely the tool that people wield. | |
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elray
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2013-May-17 6:13 pm
What do you expect?The government will get what it wants, by any means necessary, without regards to whether or not they have the right.
Carriers aren't going to slow them down and create headaches for themselves. You can't expect them to resist - there is no point.
The problem is with an administration that chooses to ignore our Constitutional protections at every turn. | |
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Re: What do you expect?said by elray:The government will get what it wants, by any means necessary, without regards to whether or not they have the right.
Carriers aren't going to slow them down and create headaches for themselves. You can't expect them to resist - there is no point.
The problem is with an administration that chooses to ignore our Constitutional protections at every turn. Your right. If the carriers refuse, they just hire the Chinese to hack the info. | |
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Chawk12
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2013-May-18 8:58 pm
I've been in the communications industry for 35 years.Part of that time I was a Verizon employee. That company has handed over warrant less phone info since 9/11.
It used to be phone records and conversations were considered private and government had to have a court order to get it. | |
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2013-May-19 2:30 pm
Improper...The gov't is spinning their story, more or less admitting the data request may have been "improper".
Improper is when you eat your dinner with your dessert fork.
What they did is criminal. | |
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elray
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2013-May-20 12:34 pm
The silver liningWhile no one should be subject to this type of fishing expedition, in my opinion, it couldn't happen to a more deserving lot. Maybe, with a taste of their own medicine, the AP might wake up and start actually questioning policy rather than acting as cheerleaders. | |
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Squire James
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2013-May-20 12:36 pm
Government SnoopingAt one time I dismissed George Orwell's "1984" because I didn't believe government spying could ever get that competent. Recent events are changing my mind on that issue.
This recent trend toward totalitarianism, whether perpetrated or perpetuated by the right or left, is not good for either. Sometimes the people in power forget that the weapon they wield may someday be used against them (e.g. that "budget reconciliation" procedure instituted when the Republicans were in charge really came back to bite them when it was applied to Obamacare). | |
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