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AT&T Launches New Home LTE Service
by Karl Bode 10:44AM Tuesday Jul 30 2013
Last week AT&T rather quietly deployed an LTE service aimed at home users called, quite creatively, AT&T Wireless Home Phone and Internet. Like Verizon's Home Fusion service, AT&T's Wireless Home Phone and Internet service is aimed squarely at rural users without any fixed-line options. Or, in the case of AT&T and Verizon, it's being aimed at DSL markets (rural and non rural alike) they're trying to slowly back away from.

Both companies have been busy arguing these services are a good alternative to fixed DSL, though as you'll notice, the caps and prices make that claim untenable.

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In AT&T's case, customers of this new service can get unlimited nationwide phone calls for $20 a month. The Internet portion of the service is where things can get costly. Users have the option of paying $60 a month for 10 GB, $90 a month for 20 GB, or $120 a month for 30 GB.

Overages for this service will run you $10 per each additional gigabyte consumed. Users can add the service modem (free with two-year contract) to their existing Mobile Share plan with unlimited nationwide calling and at least 10 GB of data for $30 a month.

You'll note that in traditional industry BFF fashion, AT&T's pricing mirrors that of Verizon's Home Fusion exactly. However, Home Fusion will likely see better in-home coverage due to its use of a roof-mounted "cantenna."

As it stands, the new service was launched last week only in Eastern Pennsylvania, Delaware, Southern New Jersey, Virginia, West Virginia, and Washington DC. AT&T says they they plan to take the service nationwide shortly.

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maubs

join:2010-02-26
Farmington, IL

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So affordable!

With my current monthly usage, my bill would only be about $1820 per month. So what's the downside?
LTE4LIFE

join:2013-02-28

Re: So affordable!

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I fail to see this being competitive.. The same goddamn data packages and prices as Verizon's HomeFusion, which I had for 6 months. Granted the speeds are amazing, but the cost is effin horrible. Their claim that they have to charge so much is due to what??? Network congestion?!? Well then why the hell are they trying to get all their rural customers off the idea of having DSL and pushing them over to wireless???

michieru
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Re: So affordable!

They cannot sell it any cheaper than the current wireless plans because that leaves room for questioning. If they did that then people would be like "AHA I knew you it! I was being ripped off!". Then start demanding the prices be the same for smartphones. The stupid is really the people who pay those prices while the company simply adds a higher number to the quota. Also the fact that LTE home service is targeted for rural America does not make sense because they don't HAVE LTE in such locations.

The idea is a great one but the execution is to protect their cash cow.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Re: So affordable!

Actually, Verizon is pretty good about hitting rural areas with LTE. Not my home area, but pretty much everyone else's, from what I've seen on my (continuing) travels.
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

1 recommendation

Re: So affordable!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Verizon committed to having LTE available everywhere they presently have coverage? They aren't opting to leave parts of the network with 3G-only coverage, even though 3G usually delivers acceptable performance out in rural areas where you aren't competing with as many people for the available forward link time-slots.

It's been a few months since I've wandered anywhere that 3G was the only available signal on Verizon's network, and I spend a fair amount of time out in the sticks of NEPA and Upstate NY. There are still total dead zones, but no 2G/3G-only zones like you come across with AT&T.
ISurfTooMuch

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Tuscaloosa, AL

1 recommendation

Re: So affordable!

Yes, that's their plan, as I understand it. And it makes sense when you consider their plan to offer LTE-only handsets with VoLTE service. Any sites without LTE would essentially be nonexistent to those phones.

And their Alabama LTE coverage looked great on a recent trip down to the Florida panhandle. There was only one small area that I saw my phone jump to 3G, and we traveled through some very rural areas. I'd love to see what AT&T has. It wouldn't surprise me if they still have EDGE-only areas.
iansltx

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Verizon isn't upgrading every CDMA site to LTE...yet...but their stated intent is to have LTE everywhere they have 3G now...and I don't think Verizon has any 1x only native areas.

At this point, they're almost to that goal, though in central TX there are some pretty notable omissions; LTE still stops a few miles outside the big cities. Then again, AT&T is similar or worse.

WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5

Re: So affordable!

said by iansltx:

I don't think Verizon has any 1x only native areas.

Hour east of Oklahoma City where my cattle ranch is.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Re: So affordable!

I sit corrected.

michieru
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Didn't realize those network upgrades have been completed as of June of this year for Verizon. I guess when we compare to WildBlue pricing that's who they are really competing against with considering most rural america is already used to this kind of cost. For 30GB plan it makes sense if you already pay WildBlue for 25GB.
LTE4LIFE

join:2013-02-28

Re: So affordable!

let's not forget the hidden lease fee of $10 per month for the hardware. So $60/90/140 plus taxes and fees with satellite.
WhatNow
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Re: So affordable!

AT&T is turning up LTE in rural areas. Customers will see more and more areas go LTE between now and the end of the year. I think they are doing the same thing Verizon did adding LTE to most towers that have 3G. I have heard AT&T is in the process of turning off the 2G network.
I agree the cost and caps are high. In a lot of rural places you can not even get bad DSL so if your broadband usage low this at least gets you on the internet.
LTE4LIFE

join:2013-02-28
I am a rural home owner.. I had Verizon's HomeFusion.. I dropped them after they gave me a pardon on the ETF because they said I was in a fringe area. Which would have been fixed if their Cantenna had the option of plugging in a directional antenna as opposed to the omni-directional one they have inside the can.

I am now with a Sprint MVNO which gives me truly unlimited LTE for $80 a month with no fees, taxes, or a contract.

anondownload

@comcast.net

Re: So affordable!

said by LTE4LIFE:

I am a rural home owner.. I had Verizon's HomeFusion.. I dropped them after they gave me a pardon on the ETF because they said I was in a fringe area. Which would have been fixed if their Cantenna had the option of plugging in a directional antenna as opposed to the omni-directional one they have inside the can.

I am now with a Sprint MVNO which gives me truly unlimited LTE for $80 a month with no fees, taxes, or a contract.

which MVNO? is this plan for data only devices like hotspots and usb dongles or are you tethering from a smartphone?
LTE4LIFE

join:2013-02-28

1 recommendation

Re: So affordable!

WirelessnWifi.com

I'm using Franklin U770 USB modem with a Cradlepoint MBR95. Works great..

They also sell a Sierra Wireless Hotspot device as well that you can use with their service.

Not sure if they would sell you that plan with a Smartphone or not.. Give them a call. (877) 642-9168

michieru
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Miami, FL

Re: So affordable!

The Verizon MiFi has a external mini SMA connector (can't remember proper term). I would of used a pigtail to a Type-N and mount that antenna somewhere outside of the house.
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

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said by LTE4LIFE:

I fail to see this being competitive..

It's competitive when your only other options are dial-up or satellite. Satellite has bigger caps but the latency is a killer and precludes the use of many applications. You aren't going to use this product if you want to stream Netflix on a regular basis but if you don't care about streaming video it's clearly a superior product to satellite, never mind dial-up.

Having had experience with satellite I would take LTE over it in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd take a 3G EVDO connection over satellite. Of course, I would never live somewhere that required me to make such a choice to begin with, but I guess that's one of the trade offs you make for living in God's Country.

said by LTE4LIFE:

Network congestion?!

10mhz 2x2 LTE offers a theoretical maximum of 75mbit/s of downstream bandwidth per sector. The figure in reality is quite a bit less, because the 75mbit/s figure is only achievable under perfect RF conditions that don't exist outside of the laboratory. Do you want to share a <75mbit/s with a few hundred people who have no data caps?

Data caps aren't the best solution for this limitation but they are the easiest to explain to consumers, the cheapest to implement, and they help the carrier to monetize the heavy users. Traffic shaping/QoS would be a way to do it and keep unlimited, but it's very expensive to deploy for an entity the size of AT&T or Verizon, plus you have to worry about offending the network neutrality crowd if you decide to prioritize low bandwidth interactive apps (VOIP, gaming, ssh, web browsing) over high bandwidth apps (video streaming, bulk downloads, etc.)
LTE4LIFE

join:2013-02-28

Re: So affordable!

When home-based LTE data packages and prices are exactly the same as the new highspeed satellites, I fail to see how it's competitive, unless you want to argue latency..

ViaSat's Excede product is 10/15/25 for $60/90/130

Hughesnet Gen4 product is 10/15/20 with the bonus bytes which are only good between 2AM - 8AM I believe.. and the prices are slightly less than Excede.

And the whole argument of LTE and it's available bandwidth with 4 sectors only works if you have 1 single tower servicing a remote rural community. I've got a nearly a dozen towers within a 5 mile radius of me that all appear to be lit up with some carriers LTE.

Furthermore, for some goddamn reason people that claim datacaps are needed seem to assume that the heavy users are eating up all the available bandwidth all at the same time.. videostreaming apps if the bandwidth is there usually buffer several minutes worth of video and then throttle back on the buffering... At least that's how YouTube and NetFlix works.... I use both..

The only people that would be eating up all the bandwidth are those BitTorrent users that seed dozens of files and don't have a clue how to meter their outgoing bandwidth..
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

Re: So affordable!

Not sure where you live but arouund these parts you're lucky to see two or three cell sites when you're out I'm the sticks. Oftentimes it's just one. A combination of our hilly terrain and low population density. In any case, seeing five of them isn't as helpful as you might think, because having that many within range means you're getting a lower SNR to the one you're actually using, which means slower speeds regardless of utilization.

And yes, it is all about latency.... People want a snappy experience when web browsing. You don't get that with satellite. Satellite is fine for streaming/downloading, but hopping around webpages following links can be downright painful.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
Metered home broadband at those price levels makes no sense. The riskiness of going over in terms of cost is HUGE. The satellite providers did it right with throttling and not counting towards the cap at night. That model makes a LOT more sense for home usage. You can't just have Unlimited outside of night hours, however, as even if you traffic shape it, the network will be more congested, as caps cause people to self-conserve data in the first place.
dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL
well, they seem to have forgotten to remove the zero.

$6/9/12/mo for LTE would get every person in the country.

$60/90/120 gets only desperate/underserved customers.

total cost to ATT in both situations: $0 as the build out was already invested and paid for.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. If I lived in the middle of freaking nowhere (which I wouldn't want to anyways), I'd probably do satellite, or tethering on an HSPA+ device with the $10 unlimited data before I'd do something like this. My monthly bill would probably be in the $500-$2000 range with a service like this, and one month I would have hit $30k. Wireless just isn't meant to replace wireline. There's not enough bandwidth.
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

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Re: So affordable!

You're making the assumption that you'd be using your connection in the same manner irrespective of the cost. In reality you would adjust your usage habits accordingly. Few people would be willing to pay the cost of using it like a unlimited wireline connection, though I can actually think of a few that would.... When I was in the WISP business we had some bigshot NYC CEO type that paid for us to build our network out to his vacation home. He paid us five digits for that buildout and a ridiculous monthly fee (we had to cover our tower lease fees somehow...) for a connection he used one or two weekends a month. Must be nice to be in the 1%!

You're right that wireless will never be a replacement for wireline, but it does have its place, and it's only fair to compare it against products competing in the same marketplace. As with everything in life, there are tradeoffs. I have a few friends that maintain hunting cabins/vacation homes and the like out in the sticks. LTE is perfect for them. It's a niche market, but someone has to serve it....
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Re: So affordable!

That's quite true. I would adjust usage. However, my base usage with all the extra stuff cut out is still probably more than 10 or 20 GB/mo. And I would lose some really important stuff like online backup.

That's pretty extravagant. He couldn't have just paid for a cable plant extension for that?

Satellite is a much better option than this, however, as it offers throttled caps, and unlimited during late night hours to facilitate big software updates and stuff. Imagine a house of 5 Macs. When a new OS comes out, that's like 25-30GB right there, just updating the OS'es. At least on satellite, you could do one or two a night for a few days, and not have it count against your bandwidth...

FFH
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Tavistock NJ
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I was offered $20/mo home phone option 6 weeks ago

When I upgraded my cellphone service to AT&T 6 weeks ago, I was also offered a $20/mo service for unlimited national phone calls that connected to AT&T Wireless with a device that would connect my existing landline phones to the wireless device.

It just didn't make sense to me. I can make all those phone calls now from my home on my smartphone. Being able to make the same calls using a landline phone buys me nothing I could see.

No mention was made at that time about any data component as part of a deal.
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Re: I was offered $20/mo home phone option 6 weeks ago

It's targeted at folks who still have a landline. That's about it.
afn06011

join:2012-10-15
Ireland

Wireless as a replacement? So stupid

my bill would of been.

2013 - Jan, 126.66 GB, $1020.00
2013 - Feb, 356.07 GB, $3390.00
2013 - Mar, 233.16 GB, $2160.00
2013 - Apr, 236.83 GB, $2190.00
2013 - May, 565.25 GB, $5480.00
2013 - Jun, 457.93 GB, $4400.00

or $18640 for just 6 months.
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: Wireless as a replacement? So stupid

Ya, it is a complete and utter joke.
openbox9
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Germany
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What would you be replacing? These services from T and VZ are targeted as new services, not necessarily as replacements.

jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

Meanwhile, The Cable Companies...

While VZW and the thing that calls itself "AT&T" these days try to figure out new ways to improve their bottom line and the hell with the customer, the cable companies are doing what the TelComs used to do: Providing service people want and need.

My wife and I just finished a week-long road trip across about 1/3 of Michigan's Upper Peninsula and all down its Lower Peninsula's north-east coast. We expected to be almost completely off the grid. But from Mackinaw City (at the tip of the mitten), thru Sault St. Marie, thru Munising: We had screaming fast and thoroughly stable WiFi every place we stayed--even a cabin in which we stayed that was out in the middle of nowhere. Near as I could tell: It was all Charter Communications.

Meanwhile: The wireless carriers couldn't even provide thorough wireless coverage. (Not that you'd know it from their ludicrously optimistic coverage maps.) Not even along the major routes. Not even just voice services.

Jim
openbox9
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Germany
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Re: Meanwhile, The Cable Companies...

said by jseymour:

Providing service people want and need.

Are they doing that to every outhouse and cornfield? Because that's what the telecoms used to do.

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biochemistry
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Waiting

I am waiting for some of our infamous dslers to state what a great and viable alternative this is to DSL.

digiblur
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Louisiana

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Re: Waiting

said by biochemistry:

I am waiting for some of our infamous dslers to state what a great and viable alternative this is to DSL.

It's really only an option to some satellite internet users. I for one had a friend switch over from Wildblue to the VZW service. Cost was about the same but the experience was night and day. They didn't use much internet before so it was perfect but now since they can use the internet like normal people they are using more of it. Not sure if the 10gb will work for them anymore. DOH!
ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
They can't. See, it's the end of the month, so most of them are currently over their caps, so those posts are going to be too expensive to make right now. Come back on Thursday.

MooJohn

join:2005-12-18
Milledgeville, GA
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Not everybody streams

I don't care about streaming video. I don't have any desire to watch movies on my computer and I have no streaming device connected to my TV since I barely have time to watch what I've DVR'ed each night anyway.

I might use 30 gigs a month at my business, and that's repairing computers with all the updates and such that they require. That's more than enough for your average browsing / email / facebook / gaming that most people want to do.

Streaming works entirely because not everyone uses it. If every ISP customer used 10x to 100x more bandwidth than they do now the current infrastructure would never hold up -- that's why TV is broadcasted to begin with. The people with average use patterns make it possible for the "power users" who hold up their monthly bandwidth as a badge of honor.
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Well

Back to the old postal service.

David
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Compared to others it's a start.

Was asked to do some rural price comparisons recently for a family friend. She lives near silver lake (out off of T road quite a bit as least 5 miles out of town) The higher end isn't a bad offer compared to others that I could find. She is just absolutely had it with HughesNet.




Big river internet is a local provider in perry county, MO.
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buzz_4_20

join:2003-09-20
Limestone, ME

Holy RIPOFF Batman

I've got software that downloads ~10g a day. (yes legally, no not for profit or as part of a "server")

How would anyone in their right mind want this service?

For me the cap on this is absurd.

aaronwt
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Woodbridge, VA

Re: Holy RIPOFF Batman

said by buzz_4_20:

I've got software that downloads ~10g a day. (yes legally, no not for profit or as part of a "server")

How would anyone in their right mind want this service?

For me the cap on this is absurd.

AS was mentioned people that are in the boonies where their only option is Satellite Internet. This service is very competitive in price compared to the satellite service. And since it has less latency and actually costs less, it's a better option than satellite. Assuming you can still get a decent signal.

hyphenated

@bellsouth.net

Eww

Yay now we can pay EVEN MORE for overages, cars, phones, tablets, home security whatever all that multi extra
travis5379

join:2005-03-28
Moscow, ID

Wow

Did I read that right? 10 GB of mobile phone data costs $30, but 10 GB of home internet service costs $60?
VerizonCynic

join:2006-10-25
Lakewood, CA
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t mobile?

I was looking at t mobile in northern Los Angeles city for wirelss phone and home internet as an alternative to ATT mobile and ATT sucky uverse we have now (download 2.5 and upload about 0.45 yes you read that correctly) Any t mobile options home base internet plans that are cheaper than att? I am pretty much done with att when I go off contract in nov. Contracts are the only way att can maintain customers. Hell they even lost starbucks as a customer this week

this is a great comparison tool for looking at new wireless service. WSJ did a great job. I just wonder how long it will remain accurate »WSJ.com/PhonePlan
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gedster314

@rr.com

What Device is it?

Anyone know what device they are using? Anyone know of similar device that works with ATT LTE? Everything I have seen so far is in the $500+ range.

I have a LTE usb stick that I could use with a cradlepoint router but the stick gets insanely hot when in use. I would rather use something that does not have heat issues.