Verizon closes troublesome DSL call center? (old news - 09:43AM Saturday Jan 20 2001)
Verizon is closing its NY DSL Call Center which employs over 500 people in DSL sales, customer care, and technical support. The center will be closed on March 31st. So what? well.. Good question. This call center could be the one operated by Telespectum, and was recently mentioned in the Wall Street Journal in connection with surprise unionization of the disgruntled staff: COMPANIES OUTSOURCE call centers, and unions pursue them.
Barbara Reformat takes calls from customers of Verizon Communications Inc. but works at a Cheektowaga, N.Y., call center owned by TeleSpectrum Worldwide Inc. Ms. Reformat says she makes about $10 an hour, while Verizon employees make about $24 an hour. Ms. Reformat now is a steward for the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers local that represents the call center's 300 employees. "We snuck up on them," she says of an election the union won this year.
Unions long ago organized call centers at major telecom companies, but those firms increasingly outsource customer-service tasks. Call centers come and go and see high employee turnover, but the IBEW and others still try to organize them. Tyler Prochnow, an attorney who advises the American Teleservices Association, says union activity in the industry is light, but two years ago it was almost nonexistent.
He says call centers are improving conditions "to eliminate the employee needs that unions try to fulfill."
The unhappy environment in this same call center was covered in October 2000 by the Buffalo Alternative Press in a public airing of worker complaints: High Tech Labor Troubles at Telespectrum/Verizon: An Insider's View.. This article is worth reading in full, if for nothing than to get an idea of the life of the voice on the other end of the phone.. for example: * New procedures are introduced during peak volume without planned training, resulting in more harassment for not following procedures.
* There is a button on the telephone to depress for a rest room visit, so that a manger knows your frequency. Abuse of authority is prevalent and meanders in the realm of violating human rights.
*Hanging overhead in each aisle are streamers of $100 dollar bills and palm trees decorated with play money. They told us the opportunity to earn more money will increase based on the inbound volume, but what they didnt tell us is our commissions are reduced. Annual reports dont portray that in place of receiving real money for work rendered, we are paid with trinkets such as vending machine tokens, candy treats and casual day stickers for selling more and increasing their profits.
It is impossible to know for sure, but one could conclude that Verizon, currently earning a "D" rating for tech support and "C+" for sales, and under threat from a customer class action suit over their DSL rollout, are dealing with worker revolt and unionization by simply closing down and re-allocating call center resources perhaps to less union friendly southern states (under the guise of efficiencies, or company reorganizations) in order to avoid addressing fundamental problems with the way they are treating their staff, whether outsourced, or not.
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  detth Onemhz On Aim
join:2000-10-06 Astoria, NY
| Verizon Sucks Nutz Verizon does not care about their customers. They are a monopoly and will soon take over the entire home DSL market. Look at what they did to Northpoint. Ever wonder why they botch installs with other DSL cos? Why lines are "accidentally" cut? Why is it the DSL lines have problems, yet phone service remains UNINTERRUPTED OR NEVER DOWN FOR DECADES?? I can personally confirm this, I have friends that work for Verizon and tell me since it is a union job, they take their time and don't care much about the customer. I see many of us switching over to cable in the next year or so, unless Verizon really ups its service and plans.... | |
|  |  dbarc
join:2000-01-22 Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: Verizon Sucks Nutz said by detth: Ever wonder why they botch installs with other DSL cos? Why lines are "accidentally" cut? Why is it the DSL lines have problems, yet phone service remains UNINTERRUPTED OR NEVER DOWN FOR DECADES??
My service via covad was out almost 2 weeks after it'd only been installed less than two weeks earlier. The reason? strangely someone removed the cross-connect at verizon. oops, make that 'the cross connect was missing'. | |
|  |  |   AHBAC
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| Next call center will be in Guatemala?
Whoreizon has now shown it cares less for those that support and attempt to build their business than for it's customers, and we all know how concerned they are for their customers. I guess their next step will be to open sweat shop type call centers in countries that do not have labor laws. Will it matter if the techs don't speak English? No... they can be taught the few sentences to blame the customer's equipment easily. Thank God for cable!! -- keep those FCC complaints coming »www.fcc.gov/cib/ccformpage.html The artist formerly known as ANOTHERHAPPYBACUSTOMER |Leader of the Lollipop Gang [text was edited by author 2001-01-20 14:27:58] | |
|  |  Network Guy
join:2000-08-25 New York | Re: Next call center will be in Guatemala? THAT WAS FUNNY!!! Sad, but true. | |
|  |  |   Oh No
@pub-ip.p | Re: Next call center will be in Guatemala? Me no speaka good english. No refunds!!! No coke...no pepsi...dsl badges?...we don't need no stinking dsl badges! | |
|  |  |  |  Network Guy
join:2000-08-25 New York | Re: Next call center will be in Guatemala? ====================
No refunds!!!!
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You are too funny!! I bet they'll get well trained particularly at enforcing a no-refund policy to the customers. | |
|  |  | Anon | Will there be an option for "press one for English"? | |
|  |  |   AHBAC
join:2000-06-12 USA
| Re: Next call center will be in Guatemala? Yes... but it won't be 1 and the prompts will not be in English.  -- keep those FCC complaints coming »www.fcc.gov/cib/ccformpage.html The artist formerly known as ANOTHERHAPPYBACUSTOMER |Leader of the Lollipop Gang | |
|  |  | Anon | Guatemala, Canada....what's the difference. Due to the economy in and around Toronto, TeleTec and Covad have been playing in the almost-great white north. | |
|  |  |   AHBAC
join:2000-06-12 USA
| Re: Next call center will be in Guatemala?
Just as long as most of the money hits Ivan's pocket before it leaves the country! Sad... we're good enough to bill, but not good enough to work for them... -- keep those FCC complaints coming »www.fcc.gov/cib/ccformpage.html The artist formerly known as ANOTHERHAPPYBACUSTOMER |Leader of the Lollipop Gang | |
|   willardk Mod 2000-03 join:1999-12-02 Jackson Heights, NY
| Where is roar of outrage from the other unions?
Apparently as long as they get there grease and graft the other unions will stay out of this travesty. Its a shame it used to mean something honorable when you a part of the union. These days managment and union leaders are both victimizing the worker....SHAME.
Will | |
|  geek49203
join:2000-11-25 Jackson, MI
| shocked, SHOCKED I say....
I worked a phone support center for a year. That's about average for phone support, and actually I wouldn't have lasted that long except that I was supporting a good product. As anyone who's done tech support will attest, if you're doing tech support for a bad product then it's worse than being a skin diver for a septic tank company. I suspect that doing customer support for some of our ILECs would be worse than the septic tank job.
Let me address the "concerns" listed: >>* New procedures are introduced during peak volume without planned training, resulting in more harassment for not following procedures.
Well, again that's a part of the "way things are" for all tech support people. My observation for my job was that proceedures were changed so often that we simply documented chaos. While you won't be fired for not following procedures (well, unless the contractor gets REALLY pissed) you won't get your raise either. Like you thought you'd get a raise on this kind of work??
>>>* There is a button on the telephone to depress for a rest room visit, so that a manger knows your frequency. Abuse of authority is prevalent and meanders in the realm of violating human rights.
Can't run any sort of assembly line w/o every worker in place! Like you'd expect more than 15 minutes offline? Again, this is normal stuff.
>>>*Hanging overhead in each aisle are streamers of $100 dollar bills and .
Again, this isn't a job where you're gonna last more than a year (on average) or get rich. Get used to the fact that this is a "stepping stone" job. It's great for a way to finance your college, or get training for a better job, but it's not a 20-year gig. | |
|  |   OCNBLUE Dazed Premium join:2000-11-07 Dallas
| Re: shocked, SHOCKED I say.... I think what you will see is Verizon opening up additional call centers that are outsourced. With the closing of the CLEC, there was an existing contract with an outsourcing company that has a few years remaining. I would imagine those people will now support DSL. This should also increase the headcount.
One issue that always arises with union employee's is when the company needs to make a fast change on anything. Union contracts need to be renegotiated due to the changes. This always takes forever. I think that is why Verizon outsourced the CLEC to begin with.
All this stuff about bathroom breaks etc. is standard for any company in customer service. Do not think it is Verizon only. Sprint, Operator Sevices divisions for all telecom companies, AT&T, USWest/Qwest all operate the same. When you hire someone for customer service (a job I wish on no one) they should have to sign a waiver that states their duties. They will probably re-think the job and that would force companies to raise the pay scale.
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| I also worked a call center doing tech support. I have to tell you the hiring criteria done by the company I worked for was extremely low. Can you spell C A T if I spot you the C and T. The turnover is high, most of the employees don't give a damn who they work for and the Company itself only cares about giving their client "Good Numbers" so you can't really place the entire blame on Verizon. Internet services, especially broadband is a losing proposition right now, they aren't making any real money at an average of 7.45/mth for internet access, but they do wind up losing customers with the call centers uneducated staff and the air of apathy that surrounds the typical call center work environment | |
|  Network Guy
join:2000-08-25 New York
·Verizon Online DSL
| No one ever wants to feel under-appreciated Being part of a union used to mean job security, and great benefits. Nowadays, the only certainty you can get is your health insurance, since you will need to use it often as your health deteriorates from doing the line of work many people like the reps at call centers do. It would make me feel as if I'm back to dictatorship times, as when I'm told when I can go for bathroom breaks and how long I can be to take a break. People take jobs like this either due to immediate necessity of income, or for customer support experience you can add to your resume. Everyone knows that there will never be any room for improvement, for you are commanded to read a help desk script to the end user who calls in trouble. The jerk that looks over you isn't expecting brilliance from you when you're helping a customer, and that same person won't care to acknowledge that you're doing your job effectively, or not. The only thing that upper management cares about in a position like that is volume, the number of people you help in a typical day. They don't care if you got it fixed, they care if you pick up that phone, take down all the information, and pass it on to the technical group, even if the problem could have been solved right then and there. Everyone also knows that you will never get a raise with a job like that. It is much easier for upper management to find something wrong with you at the time of your performance review in order not to approve something like that, and keep the unused budget money to themselves in the form of bonuses by year's end. Being in a position like this is almost no different than being a computer technician for say, a design company. Do you really think that in a design business upper management will care to have the latest and greatest technology to do their job, and top notch technical people to support it? Of course not. Instead, they'll continue to put band aids on all the problems they have, and have idiots for tech support running around and really breaking more stuff than they fix. However, when it comes to their line of business, design, they will definitely go all out with flying colors, spending all the budget money they have on fancy lunches with clients or prospective licensees, or opening stores so people can buy the merchandise they make. Does the technical support group see any of that money they make thanks to their support? Of course not, no profit sharing, no bonuses, not even comp time. This is when you need to sit down and analyze yourself, is this line of work doing anything for my experience, I'm I happy with what I do for a living? When you find yourself not finding satisfactory answers to these questions, guess what? IT'S TIME TO LEAVE!!!!!! Trust me when I tell you this, I used to work for a fashion company for a year and a half, and I can definitely relate to the pain and anger that people like those working in call centers feel. Bottom line: Verizon won't do anything for you. That jerk you have for a boss won't do anything for you. Shove that foot right up their ass, and do yourselves a favor and look for a better job. Get a job where you won't find yourself squinting your eyes at the end of the day when you leave work and can't take the brightness of the sun from sitting at a cubicle looking at a monitor screen all day. Get a job where you won't find yourself feeling worthless, or too stupid to accomplish anything better than what you have. Get a job where your boss actually treats you with DIGNITY!!!! Trust me, when you realize your full potential, you can get to more places, and do a lot more than you had ever thought you could. TOSS YOUR BOSS, AND TOSS VERIZON TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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@pub-ip.p | Re: No one ever wants to feel under-appreciated Very well put...I'm printing it and sticking your message on my wall. | |
|   Archvile2
join:2000-10-22 Natick, MA
| Verizon is messing up my Covad connection
I'm paying $49 per month for 608/128. It stays up MUCH longer than Verizon's connection did, but apparently the Verizon-owned CO is limiting me to 256/64. I don't know what I can do, since Verizon doesn't offer any kind of support for non-Verizon DSL users. I called my ISP about this, and they said "wait until monday". Right, as if that's even an option when I'm being bogged down NOW. | |
|  |  Network Guy
join:2000-08-25 New York
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| Re: Verizon is messing up my Covad connection Did you tweak your PC yet? It sounds like you may need to tweak your PC for broadband. Unless your connection has been established via line share (data line uses your existing telephone line), I don't see why Verizon is degrading your line speed. If not so, then your ISP may need to get Verizon to change your data line to a different copper pair in better condition. Be patient, depending on who your ISP is, they'll eventually get it done. | |
|  |  |   ah ha
@adsl.bellatlanti
| Re: Verizon is messing up my Covad connection How do i 'tweak' my pc for broadband
thanks | |
|  |  |  |   LD 50
join:2000-08-28 Milford, NH clubs: edited
| Re: Verizon is messing up my Covad connection Go to the tweak sections of DSL Reports. Also seek help in the Tweaks forum. [text was edited by author 2001-01-21 18:42:51] | |
|  |  cshaffer
join:2000-06-05 Addison, TX | That 256/64 connection is GTE's old bronze plan that alot of people had before switching to the bronze plus. | |
|   lemondrop Defender Of Mindless Frivolity
join:2000-08-03 Virginia Beach, VA
| My heart is bleeding for my friends........ To all in the HSSC north center:
This is truly a sad day. I am here in the south center in Norfolk, VA. We are under a contractor called Coleman and associates. Please do not think we are not saddened by this turn of events. I know for a fact that you guys are some of the greatest people in the business, and you will be sadly missed. This closure benefits no one. It will serve as a disadvantage to the customer and the employees still here. The customer service in the north is completely different from the south and there are some things pertaining to the order that simply cannot be done by the south at this time. It is a shame that you were not given better tools to work with, but you no doubt did the best you could with what you had.Jennifer,Stacy, Ellen, thank you guys so much when i had to call and needed your help with a north order when we started taking calls from both regions. lisa, carol, jason, thank you so much for making sure the customer got their equipment. Shantel, Chris, Mark, thank you so much for calling the customer to let them know that their order was in jeopardy due to the F***ked up systems that we have to deal with and the cowardly supervisor throws the call on you because they don't have the balls or tits to do what they are paid to do and handle escalated calls.. Mary, Frank, julie, thank you for putting on a smiling face and faking happiness and contentment when verizon execs came around because if you don't and actually tell the truth about the Stupid decisions, impossible sales goals due to system malfuctions, incompetent supervisors, and the deals made with some workers about late arrivals and long lunches because they are the team rat but write ups for those who take a stand, because you will lose your job.you guys want to know why we are being sued???? here it is: NO MATTER WHAT WE DO OR SAY OR BEG OR PLEAD, THEY THINK THAT IF THEY IGNORE IT, IT WILL FIX ITSELF..they know our central offices are full, but no one bothered to notify us until your due date. sure, we can take your order, but it will take us about ten days for our constantly broken automated system to finally alert us to the error and by then it is 5 days before your connection is due..Please know that we employees in the DSL centers work very hard....DAMN HARD..But when something goes wrong with your order, we have to call Verizon core employees to help fix it. BUT GUESS WHAT?? They take up to week to get back with us and (here is the kicker) YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO THEM. So day after day we get yelled at by customers, our bosses, and even verizon employees. And if you ask any Verizon employee worth his Management position, they will tell you that when the core was on strike and they recruited us to take their places in maryland handling broadband tickets, we did more work and closed more tickets in two weeks than they did in 3 MONTHS!!!!! THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE,BUT CUSTOMERS DON'T SEE THAT BECAUSE THEY ONLY WANT THEIR ORDER DONE. I understand their pain, and I try to help them, but they have to know that this goes deeper than the reps on the phone. However, we have been deemed scapegoats in this chaos. So with a heavy and empathetic heart, I want to say i am sorry for all of this, because i know what is really going on. Well, I am off to post my resume, as so many others here in the south center are doing. It does not take a genius to see a sinking ship with a drunk captain at the stern..Godspeed, my friends.... | |
|  |   Toad
@adsl.bellatla
| Re: My heart is bleeding for my friends........ Hey sorry but verizon should not be contracting out it's sales and service. Not only does it reflect poorly on its own employees but it sets themselves up for major problems. As a verizon employee why should I care about an employee who is contracted by my company to do my job??? And why should a contracted employee care about the customer 10 states away that they will never see or hear from again?(they don't). I see it every day. The automated systems don't work properly and the contractors can't call the engineers or local service techs to find out about problems or facilities. All this to save a few bucks.. If the fcc backed down then there would be no need for the contracted employees. everyone says to go cable but they have a larger monopoly on isp's than verizon could ever have. Try to get anyone other than your local cable company as your isp on your cable line..The fcc should bust those hacks.. | |
|  |  |   lemondrop Defender Of Mindless Frivolity
join:2000-08-03 Virginia Beach, VA
| Re: My heart is bleeding for my friends........ Because of the merger, we are now considered a Separate Data Affiliate. WE CAN'T CALL YOU ANYMORE DUE TO FCC REGULATIONS!!!!!! And when we did call, you guys would not help us. I do not agree with contracted labor either, but the bigger picture is doing what is right for the customer. you say we do not care about a customer 10 states away. YOU DID NOT CARE ABOUT CUSTOMER IN YOUR OWN F****KING STATE WHILE YOU WERE ON STRIKE, DID YOU? SO DON'T TELL ME ABOUT CUSTOMER CARE, PAL. until this thing is resolved, we are all in this together.I have nothing but respect for core employees, but everyday i get calls from you guys and you have no idea how DSL works or how to set it up. you stated that we were contracted to do your jobs. Well as part of the strike agreement, you guys can now sell DSL. but guess what???? I get at least 5 calls a day because the core rep DOES NOT WANT TO PLACE THE ORDER, SHE HAS ENOUGH TO DO AND REALLY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND DSL. I know that you guys are stressed to the hilt right, but what good is it going to do to bash someone playing for your team. you guys can barely handle the volume in a center now, imagine setting up 5,000 dsl order everyday as well and dealing with 2,000 angry customers because the system that VERIZON programmers designed is constantly screwed up. you said:
As a verizon employee why should I care about an employee who is contracted by my company to do my job???
Because we harbor no ill will for you, that is why. Sometines you have to see beyond unions and craft and dues, and see that we are all people trying to do a job. I am not contracted to do YOUR job no more than you are contracted to do mine. just because you are a core employee does not give you first grab at the dinner table and your union will tell you that. just because you bought a cadillac, does not mean you can go in and take over the assembly plant. I am the frontline of contact for these customers. you see it everyday, but i hear it everyday. Why don't you come down for a day and see what goes on. I bet you will be happy that you can turn around and walk away. until you walk in our shoes, do not dare question our loyalty to our customers. It maybe verizon core employees who need to take customer concern more seriously....... -- I demand a recount!!!!! | |
|  |  |  |   toad
@adsl.bellatla
| Re: My heart is bleeding for my friends........ Good points, I do know what the call centers are like. I also know what our call centers are like also. But when you are doing the job at like $10 an hour which I have seen reported and our call center people are doing it for $20, You are getting shafted, I feel bad that they are able to close down your center because union recruiting is going on. Your right we are in it together but when you work when we go on strike the company sees you as no problem and will do with you what they want. It happens in all businesses. Almost after every strike the same managers who perform the work during the strike tend to really get shafted while the ones who didn't do the work stay cushy. Go union quick or go out at the first sign of trouble. unless your running the company, then when you go out you get your 10million dollar parachutte. | |
|  GrahamG4
join:2000-12-01 Pottstown, PA
| I can appreciate this I'm a contractor at a large Drug company and I know how it is. My co-workers are always complaining about the conditions and the managing "employees" lack of knowledge. But, no matter how bad it is at my end it doesn't compare to this. One of the members of my dept. actually wants to get into call center work, I think he should read this. Being on the front line is not fun, my heart goes out to all of you. | |
|  |  |   humphrmi Premium join:2000-12-21 Skokie, IL
| High Tech Unionization
Let me say first off, with no little fear that I'll be flamed for my view, this: IMHO, unions are very bad for high-tech workers.
Before you call me a big, bad Bourgeois pig -- let me tell you, I've been a Union employee. I was a union organizer for the AFL-CIO / IAM, and a member of Guido's Union for Home Center Employees (yeah, whatever it was called.) I'll take up my labor position later, if asked. But for now, let's talk about the alternative, at least from a customer service standpoint.
Bad customer service is self correcting. Yeah, it's damn frustrating to those on the bleeding edge, or loyal customers. But over the long term, it corrects itself. Just ask Ted Waite. Gateway is the company that almost wasn't -- all because of first level tech support's poor training, lack of authority, and overall apathy back about five years ago. Barring another party's intervention, only two possible scenarios can result from this:
1. The company will lose business to the point that it is no longer viable, and the employees will move on to possibly better postions. No one will ever be frustrated by them again.
2. The company will realize it's problems and quickly move to address them, and the employees will inherit better positions. No one will ever be frustrated by them again.
Unions add unkonwns to this Keyesnian theory, but introducing restrictions that have nothing to do with the market conditions. Perhaps their contract restricts job description changes, or to some degree. This hamstrings a recovery, limiting companies to fewer options.
What does this move have to do with that? Well, it's probably not #1 or #2 yet. It's probably a step on the way to realizing that they need a #1 or #2. Here's the possible scenarios I see playing out:
Assumptions: Verizon is a Telco competing with every other cut-rate ISP that can't afford to sell their DSL for the prices they do. Verizon has lots of capital.
Scenario 1: Verizon is wholly unable to deal with data-loss issues at the end-user level. They can deal with consumer voice, and business data, but not consumer data. They're buried. Quick, Batman -- what do we do? Managers, start your SLA's! Ready, set... outsource!.
Scenario 2: Verizon is wholly unable to deal with data-loss issues at the end-user level. They offer a service that no one is happy with anyway, and they lose money for each new installation. Can you say cut our losses?
Scenario 3: Verizon, in a monumental fit of pique, has decided to exit the DSL business. Right!
Most of us are getting service far below it's fair profit price-point. But fair profit price-point != fair market value. Verizon could be hibernating it's service somewhat, to take it back out and put it on the mantle when it makes more sense. For now, I wouldn't want to be a Verizon customer, but then again it can't be any worse than any other DSL ISP out there, right?  -- --- The Mark of the Beast: vi vi vi | |
|  |   AHBAC
join:2000-06-12 USA
| Re: High Tech Unionization If you read the articles you would have seen that this was an outsourced call center (the original Whoreizon union busting tactic). The employees there voted to join IBEW so that maybe they could be paid an honest wage and be treated like human beings. Strangely enough, they suddenly became un-needed. I am not a fan of unions, never have been, never will be, but if any company ever deserved a union, it's Whoreizon and their contractors! -- keep those FCC complaints coming »www.fcc.gov/cib/ccformpage.html The artist formerly known as ANOTHERHAPPYBACUSTOMER |Leader of the Lollipop Gang | |
|  |  |   humphrmi Premium join:2000-12-21 Skokie, IL
| Re: High Tech Unionization said by AHBAC: If you read the articles you would have seen that this was an outsourced call center (the original Whoreizon union busting tactic).
Then I guess the logical conclusion is scenario 2, eh?
said by AHBAC: The employees there voted to join IBEW so that maybe they could be paid an honest wage and be treated like human beings.
I hate to say this, but joining a union and being "paid an honest wage and be treated like human beings" are not synonymous. In fact, as they've learned, they're in worse shape now. Oh, yeah... I know, it was the big, mean Telco that put that on them, right? It had nothing to do with the idiot who thought that unionizing a cost center of a under-profitable market loss-leader was a good idea, right?
said by AHBAC: Strangely enough, they suddenly became un-needed.
Oh, yeah... I know. Those damn tech companies make billions of dollars, just like amazon.com, right? So the Union rep thinks, "Hey, where's our piece?" Now, when they suddenly wake up and realize that they are low-skill labor in a low-margin market, it's Verizon's fault, right?
said by AHBAC: I am not a fan of unions, never have been, never will be, but if any company ever deserved a union, it's Whoreizon and their contractors!
They deserve what they asked for. In this case, it sounds like they got it. -- --- The Mark of the Beast: vi vi vi | |
|  |  |  |   AHBAC
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| Re: High Tech Unionization said by humphrmi: They deserve what they asked for. In this case, it sounds like they got it.
I suppose you feel the same about Guatemalan sweat shops. That's where Whoreizon will go next I'm sure. They can hire some big thuggy goons with guns to take care of "problems", while Ivan makes how much? For What?? -- keep those FCC complaints coming »www.fcc.gov/cib/ccformpage.html The artist formerly known as ANOTHERHAPPYBACUSTOMER |Leader of the Lollipop Gang [text was edited by author 2001-01-21 19:59:31] | |
|  |  |  |  |   humphrmi Premium join:2000-12-21 Skokie, IL
| Re: High Tech Unionization said by AHBAC: I suppose you feel the same about Guatemalan sweat shops. That's where Whoreizon will go next I'm sure. They can hire some big thuggy goons with guns to take care of "problems", while Ivan makes how much? For What??
Actually, you brought up Guatemalan sweat shops, I don't recall sharing my view on that yet.
How much do Guatemalan labor practices apply to this issue? Do you have any idea how much better off any employee in the U.S. is than in third-world countries? I suppose they're all the same to you. Yeah, I'm sure that "Guatamalan sweat shop" argument really got those call center employees charged up at the organize meetings. Too bad they didn't think twice about the complete idiocy of the comparison before the jumped to their doom. -- --- The Mark of the Beast: vi vi vi | |
|   Homer J Mmmm, Free Goo
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| I would like to comment on this as well.
I live and work in the Niagara Falls area. I know people who work for Telespectrum (some who left where I work to got there). I also work for a outsourcer for Verizon(we work for the former GTE side) doing sales and tech support for ADSL. The Call workers union tried to unionize us about 1.5 years ago. I went to one of the union meetings to see what was up. I would not sign the sign up sheet. I also asked many questions, that they didn't want to hear. They avoided the questions or gave very vague answers. After I left I was branded a management plant. The union did not get in where I work. I for one and glad, as it would have meant money out of my check for no benefit. Verizon did not pull the contract because of the union. It does not affect them very much. Telespectrum must deal with the union not Verizon. From what I understand, the contract was up, and Verizon chose not to renew it, it is simple business. I read the article, if it is all true. I feel bad for the people there. It is not the same at all call centers. Working for a call center is not the greatest work, but it pays the bills. The one I work for has their fair share of rules, but is not as bad as Telespectrum is described. Just my .02 -- When you make your mark in the world, watch out for guys with erasers. | |
|  | Anon | Corporate Bull!
We can't completely blame VERIZON in this. Telespectrum is on the verge of bankruptcy, and they were cutting corners. For instance we were getting certain amount of money for each modem sold. When we started offering them free, that bonus was taken away....NOT by VERIZON but by Telespectrum. On top of the 28.00 an hour VERIZON was paying for each on of us. So Telespectrum was taking out of the pot of funds allocated for our salaries, bonus, and incentives. All of the union dues we were paying were being taken. Where was it all going in upper management paychex and to support some of Telespectrum failing call centers. As far as service goes...VERIZON cut a lot of corners just to get long distance. FCC says..U MUST MAKE SOME SACRFICES! Well guess where they were made. The other employee post is right on the money! Today's news is they asked us to sign forms to send to Ivan S. the President to make all the employees VERIZON and keep this center open. The premises are VERIZON owned and they have put millions into it. Would not be a hard thing to do. Ne ways the saga continiues.................. | |
|  |   urbman Phasers Locked On Target
join:1999-06-25 Niagara Falls, NY
| Re: Corporate Bull! What about Coleman then? Why get rid of them? Funny how when there is talk of people losing their jobs, Verizon in Cheektowaga was good... they knew their stuff.... I have read things on this site for over a year now and I don't recall seeing anything positive about they location. Don't get me wrong I hate to see anybody lose work.... I even knew some of the workers there... good people with a good head on their shoulders.... it is a shame. -- Quality has no fear of time. | |
|  |   AnnieO
@209.68.x.x
| It's the money If they say it's not about the money.... Verizon would rather pay somebody that is incompetent and unable to speak English $6.50 an hour to NOT fix your problems than pay somebody $14.20 an hour who can actually communicate with you in your native tongue and may even be able to get you up and running, despite a lack of tools to get the job done. I can and will find another job, but I sure feel bad for the customer. Just keep calling, maybe as a side bonus you will learn enough muhammedese to get a job working for the U.N.! | |
|  |   former call center e
@207.175.x.x
| Re: It's the money Annie,
It's not Verizon who is hiring. Verizon contracts with another company who does all the hiring, payroll, payroll taxes etc...this way Verizon pays one bill to the contractor normally at least twice what the contractors employees are paid. But Verizon doesn't have to provide the health benefits, or match the payroll taxes etc..so it's less expensive for Verizon.
The contractor agrees to provide the able bodies, and in order to keep the contract does what they think necessary to give Verizon the numbers they want to the detriment of the customer. Most of the staff the contractor hires are undertrained, and that is not due to Verizon either. I know Verizon takes great pains to provide ample training material and make it available, where it goes from there who knows, obviously it doesn't make it to the majority of the reps or the turnover is so high they can't keep up with the training.
The call center I worked for was that way. Poor training and HIGH turnover and low pay. If you had a suggestion on how to make things better it was more often ignored than implemented.
I'll give you an example. One of the projects I worked on was for a telco that was starting an isp. The program manager who I love dearly was actually given carte blanche, but soon the call center management started putting pressure on him to lower the numbers as far as "talk time" and we explained to him that in order to "fix" the customer and prevent them from calling in repeatedly with the same problem it took more than 2 minutes which is what they wanted. He argued with management over this and was vetoed, but he had hand picked all of us and we were determined to do the best job possible for the customer. they eventually fired him not because he couldn't make the numbers they wanted but because he was exceeding the profits and they just knew something was wrong..so they replaced him with a moron and the whole crew jumped ship over to the tech support team of an ISP. Served the jerks right....although we all felt bad about leaving the ISP and the customers in the lurch... | |
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