  Z801 point 77Premium
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3 edits | I buy the pop density equation but only to a point. Why isn't NYC getting super fast speeds for dirt cheap. They have the population density to make deployment per unit cheap like Hong Kong. If VZ doesn't pony up the speed/price in NYC MDU's then they can't use pop density as an excuse (not that they are, at least in this item). | |
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| Re: I buy the pop density equation There's the other argument that Hong Kong is a tiny country and thus offering 100 Mbps service to anyhwere in HK (which is what the service offers) is equivalent to LUSFiber offering 100 Mbit peer to peer speeds on all its plans. HKBB is still cheaper per month than an equivalent LUS plan when viewed in that light, but at that point you can add in the density argument and you've got your answer.
As far as the density argument goes in NYC, it appears as though HK is even more dense. Also, NYC does have Cablevision, which isn't too bad all things considered. If Verizon were to lower their price in NYC though to absurdly low rates like HKBB is doing, they'd be pressured to do the same thing in other less dense markets in the name of fairness. Which they can't do. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: I buy the pop density equation said by iansltx:There's the other argument that Hong Kong is a tiny country and thus offering 100 Mbps service to anyhwere in HK (which is what the service offers) is equivalent to LUSFiber offering 100 Mbit peer to peer speeds on all its plans. HKBB is still cheaper per month than an equivalent LUS plan when viewed in that light, but at that point you can add in the density argument and you've got your answer. Its easy and cheap to offer media maximum speeds on your network. What are the speed to websites outside of HK? You mean I can dump 100mbitps continuously onto Level 3 or Sprint or Verizon Business and never see a hickup in speed? | |
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kudos:2 | Re: I buy the pop density equation No, out-of-HK speeds are limited to 20 Mbps guaranteed I think. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: I buy the pop density equation said by iansltx:No, out-of-HK speeds are limited to 20 Mbps guaranteed I think. I don't know about HK - but I'm in Japan right now and have 100mbit service here. To Japanese sites I actually get the promised speed - but for anything outside Japan I'm lucky to get 2mbit.
100mbit sounds nice on paper- but in reality I've had faster service from US ISPs. I guess most Japanese people use mostly Japanese sites so they in essence get the promised speed - but since I use mostly US/international sites - I'm not getting it. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: I buy the pop density equation That's the nice thing about US internet. I can get my 22 Mbps to most places in the US...and, with a decent download manager, most places in the world. Though I visit U.S. sites bandwidth-wise 99% of the time. | |
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| Cablevision only services the Bronx and parts of Brooklyn. The rest of New York City is Time Warner.
In my opinion, the biggest reason you don't see more build and competition in NYC is the agreements made between unions and the city. Everything done in the city has to be done by union workers, which always costs more. And despite the claims, union worksmanship is quite often pretty shoddy because there's not much incentive to do a really good job, because you're not going to get fired. | |
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| Re: I buy the pop density equation Show me where you're getting your figures from. While 10/2 FiOS is available via DSLExtreme for $0, it isn't cheaper than DSL, just the same price as 7.1/768.
I know Verizon has faster speed tiers in NYC (25/15 and 35/20 instead of 15/5 and 25/15) but just like in other areas their minimum and maximum pricing is similar. Some areas have $90 50/20 where others have $140 50/20 but in either location DSLExtreme offers it for $100. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: I buy the pop density equation Or rather, you don't see rural customers signing a petition saying "We'll all get $120 triple play packages if you'll pring fiber at 10 Mbps down, 5 Mbps up out to us." | |
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kudos:2 | Re: I buy the pop density equation Seems like suburbia in Verizon territory is getting wired for FiOS pretty quickly. However when you've got a backward ILEC fiber-wise (AT&T or Qwest) you're rather hosed. | |
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Less than a mile from here, only internet co: Cable co (Telco AT&T does not offer DSL that far from main roads).
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Camden, TN | I don't. That excuse is getting old for explaining why every other county is ahead of us.
"As ISPs and defenders of slow American broadband will be quick to tell you, population density helps: the market involved has 16,380 people per square mile – versus 640 in Japan and 80 in the US."
Wash DC 9,581.3 person per Sq mile. Where is the 100 Mbps connections?
New Jersey, Rhode Island, Conencticut, Massachusetts all have population densities higher than Japan. So how come they don't have the speed Japans has? And Rhode Island, Connecticut and Mass are all connected. So once again how come no 100/100 Mbps connections in that region? | |
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| said by BF69:Wash DC 9,581.3 person per Sq mile. Where is the 100 Mbps connections? New Jersey, Rhode Island, Conencticut, Massachusetts all have population densities higher than Japan. So how come they don't have the speed Japans has? And Rhode Island, Connecticut and Mass are all connected. So once again how come no 100/100 Mbps connections in that region? I suspect we have more rules and regulations to become a provider in the U.S. I don't think you can just start hanging stuff off telephone poles, or run stuff under city streets. Our culture and government are different.
As for the states you mention, yes they may have higher population densities than Japan. However in my state (Connecticut) the high density cities are often full of urban poor. Outside of the major cities, the population is largely suburban and is probably less dense than Japan for example. I suspect if you ruled out those who make less than 2x the federal poverty level the population wouldn't be quite as dense.
My city has 2 internet providers. AT&T provides DSL and U-Verse (though U-Verse is not available to all). Comcast is also the exclusive cable company.
I don't know if any other cable or phone company can start up in my city and start stringing stuff. My guess is they can't. Without an ability to have legitimate competition, it is unlikely prices will go down substantially.
With limited competition in high density areas, there is another problem, and that is many internet providers who serve high density areas are national or large regional providers. They tend to set a fixed or very similar fee across their entire service area.
I don't know how my state would react if Comcast or AT&T sought to charge lower rates to high population density cities. My guess is our state wouldn't permit it.
Should Verizon charge $2 for 100 mbs internet service in Manhattan, $20 in Brooklyn, $50 in Staten Island, and $100 in the Adirondacks? What state would accept the disparity on the basis of population density?
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Grove City, PA | said by BF69:New Jersey, Rhode Island, Conencticut, Massachusetts all have population densities higher than Japan. So how come they don't have the speed Japans has? And Rhode Island, Connecticut and Mass are all connected. So once again how come no 100/100 Mbps connections in that region? Probably most of the Asian countries listed got into telcom when fiber was readily available and were starting fresh, so they went with that.
And here it's basically if it's not broke, don't fix it.
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Grove City, PA | 13 U.S. dollars = 88.7378071 Chinese yuan | |
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| | | | Re: I buy the pop density equation said by rawgerz:13 U.S. dollars = 88.7378071 Chinese yuan And your point is?
If you are not aware of it, Hong Kong's legal currency is not, and has never been, the yuan. | |
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Grove City, PA | Re: I buy the pop density equation My point was they were going on just exchange rates, unless they mean 13 HK dollars, which I doubt. And the Yen and HKD exchange rates are nearly the same.
Still I figured this would be expensive to own in HK but apparently not. If this were in the USA, and I read correctly, this would cost about $27 a month.
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| | | | | | Re: I buy the pop density equation No way it could be 13 HKD/month. That's the average cost of a bus ride.
As a reference, the going price of a 600 square-foot high-rise flat ('condo' in North America) is around 3.5M HKD, or about 450k USD. | |
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|  SSidlovOther Things On My MindPremium
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| When you say NYC what do you mean? Manhattan?
Manhattan is controlled by VZ and TimeWarner. The outer boroughs by CV and VZ. CV offers up to 100mb over 90% of it's footprint, it's regular service is 15/2mb for $49 and for $15 more 30/5 service with web and mail server hosting. There are discounts available on the pricing. The 100mb service is $99/mo. but with a high install fee, the others can be self installed if you are already a CV customer.
The highest density in the USA according to the US Census is from Lower Connecticut to Northern NJ, and with the exception of Manhattan, is CV territory. CV strung 35k miles of wire for this area passing 4 million homes, that' covers 6,200 sq milesg they have a 80% penetration in the area the highest level in the US of any carrier short of Ma Bell in the old Telco days. Hong Kong? It's only 32 sq miles. So what are the cost differences? CV spent $5 Billion to cover it's territory.
The other problem is how much does $13 (HK or US?) worth to the person paying it? Do they make $15K per year or $30K or $50K? Please compare that figure to the per capita income in the NY Metro area which is around $45K. The average per capita in HK is $30K in US dollars. While $13 is really cheap but City Telecom has a thriving business network along with an existing infrastructure for IP voice and other networking to subsidize any losses while it increases it's home networking business.
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1 edit | What a country... In America you pay for broadband...
In Comunist China Broadband company pays you. 
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| Re: What a country... said by DaveDude:said by b10010011:In America you pay for broadband... In Comunist China Broadband company pays you. But then you can only access permitted sites on the web. The "Great Firewall of China" is only for the mainland to keep the scrubs uninformed. More intelligent and westernized areas like Hong Kong see no filtering. | |
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| costs and the board room/stockholders mentality Well probably never see anything like that from a commercial enterprise. Technology supposedly costs so much to implement including labor and that just goes for the good ole USA no where else that I know of.
In fact recently I think I read (on DSLReports perhaps) that Verizon Fios prices going up to please the stockholders because the Fios build out is costing to much and they have to recoup the costs now.
Got to love America where money rules everything. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: costs and the board room/stockholders mentality The thing is that HKBB's costs for wiring everyone with fiber are about the same as upgrading folks to ADSL2+ in the US. Big difference there. Though a DOCSIS 3 upgrade is a lot cheaper than this fiber stuff. | |
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The network cost is low even at 200 dollar a home. And that is fine, tack on an extra 200 bucks every 5 years to the 13 dollar a month 100mb connection. No one will complain. | |
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Queens Village, NY | Re: the $400 million network? said by tdouglas22:said by astokes:Yeah but the Chinese government block so much content on the internet so its evens out really That has more to do with the culture of the area, not price related at all. Culture?Really?
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Cookeville, TN | Re: the $400 million network? said by Nightfall:said by tdouglas22:said by astokes:Yeah but the Chinese government block so much content on the internet so its evens out really That has more to do with the culture of the area, not price related at all. The government is regulating and paying for the the deployment of the broadband. That really factors into the price though. Especially in that area. Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region in China, and isn't influenced by the "great firewall." City Telecom is a publicly traded company, not government owned, and invested its own money to build its own fiber network and metro IP transit systems (2.6 bln HKD). Its subsidiaries also offer TV service and has multi-play packages.
For 119HKD (15 USD) you get 100Mbit internet and phone.
They also publish MRTG data »www.hkbn.net/mrtg/
»www.hkbn.net/bb1000/speed_guaran···Eng.html
The 80% guarantee applies to access to HKIX 2. The pay back double cannot exceed the monthly fee, and its based on days that the speed doesn't meet the requirement. Ex 1 day at 79% = Monthly Fee/30 x 2 credit.
They also have 99.99% network reliability pledge and latency specifications »www.hkbn.net/bb1000/cc_pledge.htm including a 30 second phone call answer 80% of the time.
Their global network:
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I'd be willing to pay a little more for guarantees like this here in the states. Thirty second tech support phone call answer? Heck, having an ISP monitor its latencies and network utilization and then publish the data is amazing. American consumer ISP's are so ambiguous and protective about their network data, it becomes difficult to discern value from marketing ploys. HKBN entered as a new player to provide fast network access for cheap and succeeded in saving consumers loads of cash from the incumbents. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: I get 5mbps DSL tops in my area said by Van:How embarrassing is it to hear of 100mbps 5Mbps tops in DC??? wow | |
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New Orleans, LA | Re: I get 5mbps DSL tops in my area In the place I am at, this is all I can get
Other places around DC have some other options but many that I know are stuck with this Verizon DSL | |
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canada | We'll see what happens to their service, and money back guarantee when they penetrate the market, and become the largest ISP. | |
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Whittier, AK | This is just crazy. "the market involved has 16,380 people per square mile – versus 640 in Japan and 80 in the US"
Not even close for any type of comparison.
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| | hmm At work I have a 100/100 connection and the only places i get full 100 download is some of microsofts websites (updates and main page downloads, technet barely reachs 8 down) and adobe. Most other palces cap out at about 1 to 5 down. | |
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| Re: hmm said by majortom1029:At work I have a 100/100 connection and the only places i get full 100 download is some of microsofts websites (updates and main page downloads, technet barely reachs 8 down) and adobe. Most other palces cap out at about 1 to 5 down. Obviously, your experience at different sites around the internet, depend on how much bandwidth all the interconnected links have.
As the demand grows, those links would be upgraded, and the costs involved to upgrade them would go down even more than they already are.
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| Re: Content is more important said by DaveDude:The problem here is everyone wants high bandwidth connections, yet they would only use a fraction of them. I really dont see a normal user using more then 15 M connection. People should be demanding more content. ie Netflix, gaming, HD-TV. Rather then the constant shrill ' we dont have the fastest. ' . The result would be these companies would have to upgrade to keep up with consumer demands. Buggy , horse .etc. I tend to agree with you to a point, but the issue is, a lot of places won't invest to offer services, when the infrastructure isn't already in place to deliver them.
I have netflix, and I love my roku device. It's just a drop in the bucket though.
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1 edit | said by DaveDude:The problem here is everyone wants high bandwidth connections, yet they would only use a fraction of them. I really dont see a normal user using more then 15 M connection. People should be demanding more content. ie Netflix, gaming, HD-TV. Rather then the constant shrill ' we dont have the fastest. ' . The result would be these companies would have to upgrade to keep up with consumer demands. Buggy , horse .etc. No, they would not upgrade. Their answer is to impose usage caps that effectively transform the $100 50/20 connection you have into an overpriced illusion. They will also throttle you if you try to use your connection to its fullest. | |
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| Youtube.. Another idea...
Look at Youtube... It's entertaining, to a point.
Think of all the content on Youtube right now. It's all static, and not interactive at all..
If we all had more bandwidth, Youtube could be real time entertainment, and you could interact with the people as they create the content. Think of it as thousands of tv channels.
Just one simple concept. 1000s of high quality video and audio feeds being created in real time, and on demand.
Maybe this doesn't sound exciting to you, but it sure does to me.
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Just one simple concept. 1000s of high quality video and audio feeds being created in real time, and on demand.
Well, from what this story and countless others like it say, we in the USA have dreadfully slow broadband with pitifully low broadband penetration. So where are all the companies that are capitalizing on the blazing fast, ubiquitous broadband that is in all the other countries? I guess that over in Hong Kong I can get 1000s of high quality video and audio feeds being created in real time, and on demand? | |
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Falls Church, VA | It's competition I don't know anything about the Hong Kong ISP market specifically, but Hong Kong is one of the world's freest economies. I'm willing to bet (and there is evidence in the article to support it) that the reason for such high speeds and low prices is that there is fierce competition between several ISPs in Hong Kong. Americans only have two or three choices for broadband, if they're lucky, because regulations and the regional government-established monopolies prevent competition. | |
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$5 per day no tv.
$10 when they miss the tech window.
$0.25 each the the cable box crashed.
X2 the price of any ppv that they messed up.
$2 on peak $1 off peak per tv time VOD slots are full add $1 for payed vod stuff.
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kudos:10 | Sooner Or Later... ...the American broadband companies just won't have any believable excuses any more as to why we lag behind the rest of the world. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: Sooner Or Later... said by DownTheShore:...the American broadband companies just won't have any believable excuses any more as to why we lag behind the rest of the world. M-O-N-E-Y!
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Chicago, IL | said by DownTheShore:...the American broadband companies just won't have any believable excuses any more as to why we lag behind the rest of the world. They don't need an excuse when they have our lawmakers in their pockets protecting their business models. Even if you try to vote with your wallet, it won't change a thing. They are big de facto monopolies that can afford to completely abandon markets and still set record profits. Look at the state of broadband in rural America for example. | |
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| I have this vision... ...of a room filled with execs of the board of management of a major ISP. One of them will then say "Did you hear what they are doing in Hong Kong...." and explains the situation. After which a 5 second pause of silence commences.... to be followed of all of them bursting out laughing, rolling on the floor, finally coming down to their senses about 3 minutes later after which the head of board goes on to say:
"What's next on the agenda? Oh yeah.... next year's rate increases, and the data metering project. Thoughts anyone?"
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Torrance, CA | hmmm..... If someone in this country tried to offer this, every telecom, cableco would be on their case, there would be so many roadblocks hurld at them it would be tragically funny. 
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San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: i too have a vision I agree. The moguls want a lock on their gravy-train before technology can move ahead.
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