Packeteers Premium Member join:2005-06-18 Forest Hills, NY |
no VPN traffic numbers?seems silly to say P2P is down without quantifying the VPN usage change. while VPN use is not a single application, it's total traffic consumption should still be quantifiable by packet type at the large ISP level the survey was taken. | |
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Re: no VPN traffic numbers?Well while VPN is per se an application, it's not. Its a transport mechanism.
And I believe that P2P traffic is down for two reasons: 1. Usenet (encrypted of course), 2. More legitimate sources of video.
The usenet guys are just the "pirates" and wouldn't be impacted by legitimate methods anyways, but the casual user now has access to vast amounts of legitimate video.
What is not said is that legitimacy is what reduced pirates. People in general don't thrive on stealing, but in the immediacy of the internet the way the content creators are acting is that they are burning their own library books at every branch, and telling you to take a trip to Washington DC, get in line and the book will be available in 6 months from the hours of 3-4 AM, and the cost is $200. That artificial scarcity just won't play... | |
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gaforces (banned)United We Stand, Divided We Fall join:2002-04-07 Santa Cruz, CA
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gaforces (banned)
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2014-Nov-20 8:57 am
Improved connectionIt could be because they have better connection now and their packets are finally getting through. Like it was supposed to do before, but since they pay extra for more bandwidth, it actually makes it to their servers. | |
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Re: Improved connectionYep. As people can get Super HD, etc they are bigger downloads, and by that metric more response packets.
I really never had an issue w/ Netflix like others did on FiOS but the "warm up" period used to be a minute or two (adaption to HD) and it would take 20-30 seconds of buffering before it began. I thought that was NORMAL.
Well it turns out it isn't. Now since Netflix paid bounty to Verizon my videos will buffer for 3-4 seconds and start out in SuperHD, etc with no warm up time. Amazing what paying a toll will get you..a ride on the superhighway as Gore the creator of the internet used to say.. | |
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2014-Nov-20 12:55 pm
Re: Improved connectionsaid by elefante72: Now since Netflix paid bounty to Verizon my videos will buffer for 3-4 seconds and start out in SuperHD, etc with no warm up time. Amazing what paying a toll will get you..a ride on the superhighway as Gore the creator of the internet used to say.. Netflix isn't paying any more than they did before. They are just paying it to a different company. Before they paid it to a backbone provider. They cut out that middleman and now connect directly to Verizon. | |
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Re: Improved connectionI bet they are paying more now.
Because they sure as hell fought having to make that arrangement. | |
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openbox9
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2014-Nov-20 5:45 pm
Re: Improved connectionsaid by Napsterbater:Because they sure as hell fought having to make that arrangement. It did? Seems like Netflix rolled over relatively easily based on headlines. | |
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2014-Nov-20 3:59 pm
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No, they had to pay an extra troll toll. They still have to pay the other backbone providers too, as not everyone (yet) is on the Toll Charger ISP's | |
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openbox9
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2014-Nov-20 5:47 pm
Re: Improved connectionNetflix shifted where the payments go for moving bits. When anyone has transit costs before and after these negotiations, let me know. | |
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Re: Improved connectionThink of it from a logical standpoint, if it was cheaper for Netflix, they would have wanted to do it, but they didn't. | |
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openbox9
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2014-Nov-23 9:09 am
Re: Improved connectionYet, miraculously Netflix did. Service improved. Netflix realize its current providers weren't going to satisfy requirements so it invested elsewhere. Everyone is happier, except Cogent and Level 3 which took a pay cut. | |
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Re: Improved connectionsaid by openbox9:Yet, miraculously Netflix did. Service improved. Netflix realize its current providers weren't going to satisfy requirements so it invested elsewhere. Everyone is happier, except Cogent and Level 3 which took a pay cut. They did because they were basically extorted not because it was cheaper or "better"... Its not that Cogent and Level 3 couldn't deliver they could and did to many ISPs all over the world. Its that Verizon (and others) didn't pay for more transit or upgraded links to carry traffic their customers requested/wanted and let their ports overload while blaming Cogent and Level 3 for the problem even though it was their fault. And even if a customer complained to Verizon (or any other ISP pulling this trick) the CS rep would just blame Netflix even though it was their own fault, and what could the customer do, most people have little or no competition and they are stuck and have no choice except to let their ISP fuck them over. And this effected much more then just Netflix, it effected anything using Cogent and Level 3. | |
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openbox9
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2014-Nov-24 3:12 pm
Re: Improved connectionAnd yet other links for Verizon worked just fine. The common denominator is Cogent and Level 3. | |
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This example shows the two sides of net neutrality if fast lanes or troll tolls are not allowed for companies like Netflix then everyone is going to be treated alike and Netflix can get in line at the entrance door of the ISP and wait in line just like everyone else. | |
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KrK
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2014-Nov-20 11:12 pm
Re: Improved connectionAnd that's how it should be..... but it would also mean ISP's have to keep their links upgraded rather then allowing them to over-saturate and then demand payment. | |
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More hiding BitTorrent with VPN so Netflix upstream has larger shareIf the case, Netflix will show increase in "% share" of upstream even though the actual relative upstream bytes may not be increasing. If Sandvine tracked VPN traffic as a single app, then Netflix upstream share may not increase. And of course if BT traffic is down overall, then all others would show a % share increase. | |
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silbaco Premium Member join:2009-08-03 USA
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silbaco
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2014-Nov-20 10:13 am
BittorrentBittorrent is liking declining because there is almost no reason to use it anymore. Most of the media content can be acquired legally through Netflix, Hulu, Crunchyroll, Amazon, Steam, Spotify, Rdio, etc. and there are plenty of other streaming sites that host the missing content illegally.
I doubt that many people are actually using VPNs for bittorrent. | |
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Re: Bittorrentsaid by silbaco:Bittorrent is liking declining because there is almost no reason to use it anymore. Most of the media content can be acquired legally through Netflix, Hulu, Crunchyroll, Amazon, Steam, Spotify, Rdio, etc. and there are plenty of other streaming sites that host the missing content illegally.
I doubt that many people are actually using VPNs for bittorrent. The new(er) thing with VPN's is to use them to get around content geo-blocking. If content providers continue these stupid artificial scarcity games with content based on country of residence, I think either VPN traffic will stay stable, or maybe even increase, even if piracy is dropping (though the dodging of geo-blocking may well be considered "piracy" depending on ones definition of the term) NefCanuck | |
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2014-Nov-20 2:11 pm
Re: BittorrentIf you will give the content away for free in your home country (USA), and then block the content outside your country, you can't then claim to be losing income outside of your country, particularly when YOUR country has a population of 300 million, and Canada for example only has 30 million or so. Small wonder people try to get around geo-blocking. They aren't trying to make money, they are just trying to be douches. | |
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said by silbaco:I doubt that many people are actually using VPNs for bittorrent. PopcornTime has built in VPN, is likely most use it. | |
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silbaco
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2014-Nov-20 12:36 pm
Re: BittorrentPopcorn Time's most popular fork has ~100k active users in the US and maybe ~200k globally. That's little more than a blip on the radar. | |
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Re: BittorrentThis says 100K active in Netherlands alone and 1.3M installed in just one country. PT shuts off seeding after download complete so activity not as constant. » www.nltimes.nl/2014/09/0 ··· h-users/ | |
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I do on a regular basis, averaging probably 100GB or more. There were a few months where I did a couple of TB of bittorrent through VPN. I let it run for the 18 or so hours that I'm not home, and then stop torrent and disconnect from the VPN while I actually use the internet. | |
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Flyonthewall
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2014-Nov-20 11:59 am
This makes sense.Having to always resend packets and checksums due to ISP shenanigans at hand off points would explain the large amount of upstream for a service that ought to be mostly downstream. Place that blame squarely at ISP feet. | |
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Is Sandvine counting packet size or packets?An ACK packet is a lot smaller than a packet containing data... | |
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