The DOJ ownz jOO ? Yes, you get to see the DOJ spell words with "z" instead of "s" if you read this USDOJ.gov release. According to the release, the DOJ has been infiltrating the warez scene, including, in true "sting" style, the setting up and operating a warez site, and getting cooperation from Finland, Norway and the UK in an effort to give the pirate community a bloody nose. One such warez group, "DrinkOrDie", seems to have, ah, lost its server.. however others are untouched. Merely a little lint on the rollers of the warez printing press, or a new harsher environment for the digital thieves? yahoo news.
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Chicago, IL | Good Luck Most people will just use cheaper or free software if there expensive warezed software is no longer available.
How many people can actually afford photoshop ? | |
|  | | | Re: Good Luck Maybe they should put more focus on things Americans care about like catching terrorists and people who send anthrax through the mail. | |
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Friendswood, TX | said by JacobNero:
Most people will just use cheaper or free software if there expensive warezed software is no longer available.
How many people can actually afford photoshop ?
Funny, the warez traders don't limit themselves to the programs they can't afford... They pirate any software any time.
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| | | | Re: FBI what a JOKE ROFLMAO Yeah, nine search warrants and three more consensual searches? That's not even the tip of the iceberg.
It does go to show that the FBI is oWn3d (hope I spelled that right) by certain large industries. | |
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| | Microsoft's Attorney General This is the war on terrorism,huh. I guess Gates bought more than a sweetheart anti-trust settlement from the Bush administration. The DOJ takes away resources to fight rampant white collar fraud at Enron and elsewhere, to fight "terrorists". Ashcroft then uses those resources to attack assisted suicide in Oregon, and software pirates all over the world for campaign donors like Osima Bill Gates. What's next,using US Marine invasions to find foreign software pirates? | |
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Saint Peters, MO | If half the crappy software out there wasn't grossly overpriced or worked, most people wouldn't try and get a free copy of it. But then again, that's about par for the course, the federal goverment's always tried to put out the grass fire while ignoring the house fire. Glad to see that all those personal liberties that the goverment has siezed from me " in the name of protecting my freedom" are now going to be used against me. | |
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PonziWorld | You can't forget about his attempts to shut down medical marijuana clinics in California, either... | |
| | | | | | | Re: Microsoft's Attorney General the DOJ and the FBI are all law enforcement agencies. Their job is to enforce laws. Congress is the only government body in this nation that can make laws. If you don't like the laws that Ashcroft is enforcing, you need ot have them removed by congress. Only congress can destroy our freedoms. The DOJ is just the executioner. | |
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DamnFlat, OH | Re: Microsoft's Attorney General Problem is the congress is controlled by money and Bill Gates and Larry Ellison have a bunch to throw around. Hey you don't have to take my word for it. Read the DMCA, I guarantee 80%+ of it is verbatim from "draft" legislation proposed by a SBA or RIAA lobbyist. The fact is that copyright laws have gotten WAY out of hand. They were originally intended to make sure that artists and artisans did not starve while others made fortunes from their works and to encourage growth and progress by ensuring that works entered the public domain in a reasonable amount of time. Compare Copyright to Patent laws. Patents expire fairly quickly with only very limited opportunity for renewal. What Copyright laws have become is a perpetual stranglehold on works by very large media and software companies. Look at Elvis' music for instance made: 50 years ago and he has been dead and rotting for 25 years, but his music will be licensed and controlled for the next 100 years. Its a complete joke to think that our elected officials are capable of thinking of us and the good of the society as a whole when they are looking for large and frequent contributors to their re-election campaigns. Its just not going to happen. | |
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| Re: Microsoft's Attorney General said by Yowzaaah:
Its a complete joke to think that our elected officials are capable of thinking of us and the good of the society...
Thumbs up,best post of the year Yowzahhh!!!!! Way to go!!! That is the bitter reality of America today. When the troops come home, we have an enemy within to deal with, corruption."Fundamentalists" from the radical right, like Ashcroft, are our version of the Talliban.
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Only congress can destroy our freedoms.
I guess that's true, but aren't they our representatives? I don't remember any rallies or strikes by programmers for the enactment of this legislation. hhmmm, must have been a push by our corporation friends.
I think their needs to be a constitutional amendment for the separation of business and state. | |
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Warner Robins, GA | Re: Microsoft's Attorney General said by RAZ Black:
said by cybermud:
Only congress can destroy our freedoms.
I guess that's true, but aren't they our representatives? .
if ya want the full posting you can check this link out »news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?acti···9&mid=19 or just read this clip from that post about who controls congress "Oh yea, one other thing my associates and I dont do. We never spend millions of dollars for lobbyists to remind politicians we donated millions of other dollars to get them elected so they would put our interests ahead of you, the American public, that congress is supposed to represent." government of the politician, by the lobbyist, and for the corporation is how its played, we the people just foot the bill for it all
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| | | has anyone figure it out that if everyone guilty of copywright infringement was prosecuted we'd all be in jail, including those arresting and prosecuting. remember when you wrote your first term paper. I never had no author's signed permission. as with everything else money talks and bullshit walks and the government has gone into overkill on the pirates, with John's blessing. John A has got to go. Maybe Microsoft needs a little competition. that might balance the scales | |
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South Bend, IN | LOLOLOLOL I have been using computer snice I was 14 years old..I am not 25, and there has been warez!!! Even in the commodore 64 days. And the people that were there know what I am talking about. Basicly the FBI cant find Osama, so they need to show the media they can still do something, to cover up the fact they find the damn bastard! | |
| | | | Re: LOLOLOLOL Yeah. I can tell that you use Warez; something in the wy you "speak" | |
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| | try before you buy i guess they don't understand that a lot of people also just use warez as a try before you buy service. this will just cause people to use their friends more instead of the internet. | |
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Friendswood, TX | Re: try before you buy said by intexas:
i guess they don't understand that a lot of people also just use warez as a try before you buy service. this will just cause people to use their friends more instead of the internet.
Now -this- is true, in both respects. I have tried software out from a friend before buying it. If I didn't like it, I deleted it and didn't pay for it.
I don't think this is what the FBI is targeting, though. I think they're targeting the wholesale swapping of programs like Photoshop, that are known to be very good... Granted, it's over-priced. So let the marketplace work and buy Paintshop Pro instead for a hundred bucks. Most do.
Basically, the point I'm making is that it is necessary for the government to target and prosecute this crime. If there were no fear of repercussion, trading would be even worse than it is now. This would be bad for the software industry. After all, selling the product is how these companies make money, which is NOT a bad thing.
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| | ZZZZZZ... "thousands of copies of pirated software are expected to be removed from circulation"
...leaving millions of copies out in the wild. Within half an hour after of these 'copies' being seized, there were twice that amount created by the millions of people on IRC/file-sharing/etc.
The U.S. government: Jumping over dollars to grab pennies. | |
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united state | Suuuurrrrreeeeee...... You'll never see me forkin $200 over for an OS, especially if I can get it for nothing before it even comes out. Or $300 for Photoshop to make 1 webpage. There's nothing wrong with d/loading warez for personal use, but doing it for a profit doesn't sit too well with me. It's all about sharing. I remember when the Covad tech was installin my DSL. A while back when Win2k was the next big thing but wasn't actually out yet, he saw a CD with "Win 2k" handwritten on it and he got a hard on, so I just had to hook him up. But the point is, this is one thing the Feds can't touch, but I guess they gotta make their presence known. Keep us on our toes. They better pray to their lucky stars. | |
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|  What kind of Warez site?
If it's P2P apps, then why the hell can't I get Star Trek Armada 2? 
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| | | | | | | Re: What kind of Warez site? said by TxroadDawg:
btw dude you cant get armada 2 becuase its old dude, rtcw and battlerealms are the most recent worthy games released
Old? It just came out last month. Besides, I'm a really big Star Trek fan. | |
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Astoria, NY | what a joke.. It took them that long bust these individuals. As posted earlier, they cant find Osama so they have to distract attention to this. Warez gets many people familiar with programs. How in Gods name is a college student supposed to learn photoshop or become decently proficient in c++ without having the software? Pay hundreds or even thousands for it? I know companies that wont upgrade their licenses and are still using win 95 (and you would be surprised, BIG COMPANIES)because upgrading to a new OS would cost too much. I think this will hurt the computer science field. Hacking and warez are a big part of computer science, and if you are computer science major that has not heard of either, you should be ashamed of yourself. | |
| | | | Re: what a joke.. The funny thing is Warez actually help software companys. Look at sony for instance the second playstaton games were abled to be copied thier sales went up. | |
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Sumner, WA | Re: what a joke.. Well in defense of the PC Games.. there are so many different types of computers/configurations, and programmers have to try and develop for all of them. Of course there's gonna be some friction.
For console games, they're all for one configuration, so its a lot less buggy.
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Melmac | said by THX:
The funny thing is Warez actually help software companys. Look at sony for instance the second playstaton games were abled to be copied thier sales went up.
Not really, they make their money off of the software, not the hardware. It's the Gillette Razor theory, sell the handle with a couple of blades cheap, then cash in on the refills of the blades. In fact, I think as far as new hardware goes, Gamecube may be the only one that actually makes money (and it may not).
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| | Look at the Ages I though these would be younger people.....
United States v. Rothberg, et al., 00 CR 85
Members of Pirates with Attitudes who pleaded guilty:
Robin Rothberg, also known as "Marlenus," (9/11/67) 33, of North Chelmsford, Mass.
Diane Dionne, aka "Akasha," (4/11/61) 40, of West Palm Beach, Fla.
Steven Ahnen, aka "Code3," (4/13/58) 43, of Sarasota, Fla.,
Jason Slater, aka "Technic," (4/28/70) 31, of Walnut Creek, Ca.
Todd Veillette, aka "Gizmo," (11/21/59) 41, of Oakdale, Conn.
Thomas Oliver, aka "Rambone," (7/14/65) 35, of Aurora, Il.
Mark Stone, aka "Stoned," (3/24/66) 35, of Cypress, Ca.
Jason Phillips, aka "Crov8," (11/9/70) 30, of Plano, Tex.
Member of Pirates with Attitudes who was found guilty at trial:
Christian Morley, aka "Mercy" (4/13/73) 28, of Salem, Mass.
Alleged Members of Pirates with Attitudes who are fugitives:
Mark Veerboken, aka "Shiffie," of Belgium
Kaj Bjorlin, aka "Darklord," of Sweeden
Alleged Member of Pirates with Attitudes whose case is pending:
Justin Robbins, aka "Warlock," (2/10/76), 25, of Charlotte, N. C.
Intel employees who pleaded guilty:
Brian Riley, (1/31/70) 31, of Olympia, Wash.
Tyrone Augustine, (5/13/71) 30, of Cambridge, Mass.
Brian Boyanovsky, aka "Boynger," (6/26/75) 25, of Beaverton, Ore.
John Geissberger, (5/15/62) 39, of Columbia, S. C.
Gene Tacy, (11/13/74), 26, of Olympia, Wash.
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| Re: Look at the Ages This is "Old School". These guys all came out of the Atari/C64 pirate days. They got older, but they still were having fun.
They weren't in it for money, or in it for personal gain of software. They were into it for underground status and recognition and power.
I remember me and my friends swapping lots of C64 software back in the day.... we swapped far more programs then we'd actually USE or play or really do anything with!
We used to say "It's not the having, it's the getting..." ie we enjoyed the chase, the swapping, the collecting... the SOCIAL aspects of the "scene." We probably never even used 95% of what we got.
I suspect much the same is true now. | |
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And in general why we refer to people like that as pirates?
If you look on definition of this word -that is not exactly correct!
"Robin_Hoods" would be much more appropriate. | |
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| The danger is.... I think what a lot of Americans (and people in other countries, too) aren't realizing here is the sheer scope and effort lobbyists have been putting into pushing through very harsh copyright laws for several years, and altering the legal definitions of "Fair use", "Backup" and "Liability" and so on. Worst of all, is the "punishment" aspects of the laws are being so massively scaled up...
What I see here is a strong trend.... If you copy anything (software... book... music... movie... or any reason or purpose) the law **IS** referring to you as a "TERRORIST" and scaling up towards that level of seriousness!
The U.S. for example has just passed/upheld several laws that basically state "The laws in other countries do not apply to us, and we don't give a damn... If xxxx is illegal in America, even if it's happening in say, Finland, we're going to prosecute them under U.S. Law..."
I know that it was spoken facectiously earlier about the marines being sent in to arrest foreigners, but really, it doesn't seem to be that far off the truth, now....!
I think the day is coming where a little bit of "warezing" will be met with incredible punishment, and there's going to be a lot of "little people" who get squashed. | |
| | | | Re: The danger is.... I agree, things are quietly getting very serious. A war on fileshareing has started and nobody realizes it till their doors get busted down. A crack site I frequant with lots of good stuff has vanished all the sudden. There is no word what happened. People say they cant stop file shareing, yet for each one that gets suited, several others shut down voluntarily. The entire entertainment industry is funding this war and they are successfully writeing new law. They are tearing up the convenient shareing infrustructure and creating an air of fear. This is going to drive the masses into subscribing to avoid being hassled. File sharing may never die, but its going to be a real hassle that only the anarchists will participate, effectively killing it. | |
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Friendswood, TX | AHAHAHA!!! ROFL... This is the biggest pile of horse-dukie I've seen in a long time. It's hilarious in its read...
I'd eat my hat if you could provide examples... Where have copyright laws changed since the Berne convention? What was that, some 20 years ago? Fair use, altering the definitions, what the hell are you talking about? Do you know the concepts and precepts of fair use doctrines? Obviously not, because they can't just be altered at a whim of some guy in an office. They're specified by treaty with other nations.
Nobody treats copyright violators like terrorists, but they are treated like CRIMINALS, which they are... Which, by the way, nobody cares about making backups for yourself, or even if you share something to try it out and then remove it. The ones the feds are going after are the ones who are big time, the big distributors, and people who make money off of it.
Again, PLEASE provide examples of where all you state is true... Geez, I'm still laughing.
Maybe you would rather the feds do NOTHING about software piracy? Maybe the law enforcement branches should just enforce what laws YOU think should be enforced? Or maybe copyrights should just be abolished, so all software could be distributed by anyone any time and so nobody would develop jack-s*** because they couldn't make any money off of it... Yeah!!! That's the ticket! ROFL...
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Warner Robins, GA | Re: The danger is.... OK, why dont YOU justify to ME why the fbi has the right to arrest a foreign citizen who legally programmed an application in NO violation of his countries laws for his software company. Specifically Dmitry Slyarov in case you need a reference for how perverted the dmca has been applied.
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DamnFlat, OH | said by Copzilla:
Where have copyright laws changed since the Berne convention? What was that, some 20 years ago?
Um, how about the DMCA? It didn't change the underlying "copyright" laws concept but it greatly narrowed the use rights of the licensee while expanding the enforcement rights of copyright holder. Fact is, a copyright should be five years, renewable for one five year term. Similar to, but less lengthy than patent terms. Think about it, if patent laws have not prevented such companies as 3M, IBM and GE from turning a hefty profit while innovating and investing in new products, knowing that they will rather shortly be turned over to the public domain, why is it that music labels, film studios or software companies are unable to stay in business without perpetual ownership?
Its nonsense. In order to gain the protection of law and enforcement of copyright rights by the government on their behalf, these companies should be forced to hand over their goodies to the public in a time-frame that would ensure that what eventually enters the public domain is not obsolete and worthless. Just look at any music on a recently purchased "christmas compilation" and ask yourself why is it that the multinational music group that owns this title, recorded in the 50's by an artist who has been dead 20 years is entitled to a dime. Why is it that when "Happy Birthday" is sung on tv or in the movies, a royalty payment is owed? Its stupid to permit these leaches to write the rules. They will never be reasonable.
The problem is that they have too damn much money at present. In politics the motto is "to the contributors belong the senators". I dare say that Bill Gates could speak directly with any senator or congressman anytime he wanted. I've called my senators in the past on legislation pending....took me three months to get an off topic form letter response thanking me for my input. Perhaps if sharing continues at the rate it is and these companies don't have so much money to throw around, the people will do what the legislature will not (or cannot - you're not supposed to blame addicts for their inability to kick the habit right?  ). Smash these paper-mache Mephistopheles and get them out of the business of owning the rights to our culture for all time. | |
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Roswell, GA | Seized computers containing 1-2 terabytes
I always like reading news releases like this. I think the DOJ is stretching things a little when they say the software was "on" the machines. What did these guys use, a SAN system with a couple of terabytes worth of RAID drives? | |
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