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| Very interesting If it were me, I wouldn't have the balls to mock the RIAA, but it's nice to see someone standing up to them. More power to ya buddy! 
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join:2002-04-09
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You kidding me? You realize that it is still legal to publically mock a company, right?
For now. Right now, I'm reminded of a line from Testament's "Perilous Nation":
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| Bad way Now he's violating the settlement by running his search engine. The RIAA will hit back, as always, really hard.
He may have 15 minutes of fame, but 15 years of debt.
I admire that he has balls, why don't he also use his head!
After reading his site, the guy is up to something. I hope it will work. I want to see RIAA loosing lawsuit. w00t
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| Re: Bad way said by Tomek :
Now he's violating the settlement by running his search engine.
Actually from readying the settlement he is not violating it. It stated that he had to take down Chewplast.com until he could ensure that none of the plaintiffs copyrighted materials would be transferred through it. If he has dummy files only, then he has ensured that it will not be used to copy RIAA songs.
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| Re: Bad way not really, he must show them how to use his software code to write there own version of it to be in violation of the settlement
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| He's definitely playing with fire, but whether or not he's in contempt may be a different question.
It would appear the paragraph 3(b) of the settlement would control, and since he's not "selling" software, the question may well turn on whether he's [in the words of the settlement, more or less] knowingly facilitating the knowingly unlawful infringement of RIAA members' copyrights, and that could be more difficult to prove.
There's a difference between saying you can't use a technology for something, and saying you can't tell anyone about it. Patent law does this all the time, and if you're going to outlaw even discussion or demonstration of search technology based on copyright law, you have an awful lot of prior VCR and photocopy machine case law to overturn first.
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| Natch. He's not running the search engine. He's running a demo of what it looked like using fake files. IE - none of the files listed are available nor are they even real.
This is not breaking his settlement.
I think he's doing good and I admire him for both his request to stop sending in donations and for his thumbing his nose at the RIAA.
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join:2001-12-13
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| "Nobody is above the law" quote:
Weiss says the RIAA wanted to send a deterrent message others who had similar services up on their college campuses. "Nobody is above the law," she said. "And that is the important thing to remember here."
And by "Nobody," she of course meant "Nobody except the RIAA."
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| BLA BLA The thing he did wrong that made this illegal was IDENTIFYING files in his statistics section, such as "NES/SNES" and on and on.... if his system only listed files without identifying what they were, he would have had a better case in the first place. | |
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| Re: BLA BLA said by 11337845 :
The thing he did wrong that made this illegal was IDENTIFYING files in his statistics section, such as "NES/SNES" and on and on.... if his system only listed files without identifying what they were, he would have had a better case in the first place.
In other words if the technology had been on poor quality then it would have been ok, but since he was good at what he did it is not ok?
If he promoted its use for illegal purposes, then he broke the law, if not, then even if 99% of his users did, then he did not. (although a court still might have shut him down, just like a bar with 20 murders a month in the parking lot may lose its liquor license).
The issue here is that the RIAA can bully people around, because they do not have the resources to fight back... well Maybe this guy does now (he learned that if he fights, and needs the money, there are people who will contribute to his legal defense fund, and even personal contributions).
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| Re: BLA BLA Not quite..... by identifying them as NES ROMS and SNES ROMS, he acknowledged that he knew and allowed the trading of copyrighted files and had no safeguards to ensure that the people sharing them and downloading them had any right to do so.
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| Re: BLA BLA this just proves that MOST filetraders are hellbent on seeing things their own way.
let me explain something.... I am one of THE BIGGEST copyright violators of all time.... I'll post a screenshot if you want, but in the past 16 days, I've download a little over 64 GB of "stuff", mostly copyrighted material....
that being said, the NRA wouldn't get shutdown for that, as they are an organization of LEGAL gun owners and don't facilitate or condone illegal activities with guns.
furthermore, that argument is flawed in the respect that owning and shooting a gun in and of itself is not illegal, but certain ways of doing it are, such as murdering someone.
if you take a look at his mock search engine that he has running RIGHT NOW, you'll see that he identifies NES/SNES ROMS..... this indicates he not only knows that these files are being shared via his search engine, but that he goes the extra mile and categorizes any file with a particular file extension, such as .nes...... does that make more sense? | |
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| Re: That's disgusting said by anonodude:
Last I checked, the guy was only up to maybe 2 grand. The fact that this little bastard doesn't have to pay a cent of his own money is disgusting. The people who donated money to him should be ashamed.
You disgust me. This kid didn't even infringe any copyrights, yet you still see fit to insult the good-natured people who donated to this kid so he won't be living on the street. You are the one who should be ashamed for taking the RIAA's side, which is completely wrong.
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Last I checked, the guy was only up to maybe 2 grand. The fact that this little bastard doesn't have to pay a cent of his own money is disgusting. The people who donated money to him should be ashamed.
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join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs: | Re: That's disgusting Don't mind him. He is probably swimming in his money right now scrooge mcduck style while bashing this kid who lost his money to the RIAA bulldozer. | |
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join:2001-04-03
Houston, TX
| Re: That's disgusting Borderline illegal?
Uh, no. What his app did hardly qualifies as borderline illegal. Remember when Lycos had an FTP search? How about alltheweb.com? They're running one now along with numerous others. If music files were the only file type it supported then that would be considered borderline. Hell, even the search companion in Windows falls into a similar category as his search app.
See anything here familiar? Yep, that can search for audio and video files on the local network just like his. Should MS pony up some cash too? | |
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join:2001-03-04
Barnhart, MO
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| Re: That's disgusting I love the fact that people were donating $$$. I think it helps to show how much people are getting sick and tired of the RIAA. Personly I think going after him was a rather bad move. Not trying to give them ideas but why didn't they let it stay up and get the people who have the files? Which I don't see how having some music on your HD is illegal, or are mp3s banned I don't know it.
Anyway going after him is like going after google or altavista for listing warez site, please. Wish the damn idiots would grow a brain and get a clue.
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join:2002-12-31
Las Cruces, NM
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(in reply to "people should be ashamed for donating")
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ADDED: his program can be a leader for new ideas, or new versions popped up my many different anonymous people who can help to spread the search engine like a virus. maybe we can have one (like kazaalite) with no ads and spyware and crap
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join:2001-03-01
Mountain View, CA
| GOOD FOR HIM.... What the hell else is the RIAA gonna do...they already have his life savings.
Are they gonna take his computer away like they did to Kevin Mitnick. Please, I understand RIAA responsibility to protect their artists..(If thats what they're truly doing)
however they're becoming the internet police to some degree and its getting abit outta hand.
All this crap about ruining someones computer if found with no-no files in it. Its all just gonna go back to BBS and FTP if people don't stop this BS.
I mean crap does no-one remember the days of buying a cassette tape or vcr tape and recording your favorite song on the radio or tv show...ya the quality of that recording was worse the the real record or cd.....but so is a Compressed mp3 file compared to a nice big Wav file when ripping off the cd-rom. MP3 is ALWAYS less quality than the real thing. And I don't care if its digital or not it makes not difference what-so-ever.
And what makes me more pissed off is that there are PLENTY of people out there siding with the RIAA when they have tape recorded songs or shows recorded from their TV sets near there home f-ing entertainment system.
People share, its always been going on..FOREVER. Before the stinking RIAA was around even. I'll share whatever I god-damn want to whoever I god-damn want however I god-damn want.
So NOW because these less quality mp3 files are sometimes stored on a computer that in many cases has a connection to the net, that gives someone the right to look into my system and tell me I should not have this or that file in my hard drive, well then lets go to everyones house and look at their collection of films and tv shows and copied music from the radio, rental whatever and tell them they should'nt have copied all those things.
When it comes down to it its BS period.
I'm sick of hearing it.
SO I say good for him.
What is on MY computer SHOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY PROTECTED.
The system resides in my home therefore when you make MY hard drive access files to see what I have you are making it do that in my home, so you are controlling something IN MY HOME......SO YOU ARE IN MY HOME.
I can't wait for the BBS and FTP thing to get more and more popular.
RIAA=HACKERS...the worst type out there.
Some hackers do good things but the ones that work for the RIAA are up to no good.
They want to go into your house and look at your things you own, but they won't knock on your door they'll instead knock on your IP address...lol
Stay out of my computer RIAA, You don't own THAT!
And remember you are not the internet police.
Go ahead and track what you want, cause when you have millions of people trading files everyday are you going to go down your list of traders and HOPE TO GOD that you'll find someone who does not own a real copy of something she/he downloaded. hmmmm pure speculation indeed.
Most Smart people don't act on pure speculation.
Speculation=
Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition
So go ahead and take those millions of peoples life savings....lol....trust me its not going to happen.
Anyone who thinks that intrusion and speculation is a way to enforce a law or single out person is gravely mistaken
and something they better think twice on and look at their own audio/video recordings.
Then we'll talk some sense to this soon to be extinct RIAA unless they can see the light and change their ways.
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Roflcopter
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Anaheim, CA
| Re: GOOD FOR HIM.... I agree. I hope the RIAA executives get shot by snipers if they continue this senseless legal course.
I believe artists should be compensated for their work, but the RIAA's plan is by outlawing every distribution method that they do not use, to control the market illegally. Their copyrights are not, I repeat, ARE NOT as important as my important documents. They destroy any important documents, they better expect a massive lawsuit, that I hope will shut down the music industry.
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join:2001-02-25
uranus | is this guy stupid what if the RIAA sues him again.
how the hell is he gonna get out of that?
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The time will come and the RIAA/MPAA will be sorry. One day they are gonna pick on the wrong person and they'll be shut down.
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join:2001-11-21
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| There hasn't been a clearer case! If those millions of people were going to help out with millions of dollars in donations, this would have been the time. This kid DID NOT BREAK THE LAW! He did not violate any section of any law, but creating a search engine. This is not a case of the RIAA going after a file trader, this is a case of the RIAA going after a search engine. A judge ruled Napster hadn't violated the law, and they certainly went further than this kid.
And he did not lose the case, he settled out of court. Forced to, as $12,000 is a small price compared to what he would have to spend in lawyer fees to fight and win...only to walk away with nothing.
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| Re: There hasn't been a clearer case! said by Camelot One :
If those millions of people were going to help out with millions of dollars in donations, this would have been the time. This kid DID NOT BREAK THE LAW! He did not violate any section of any law, but creating a search engine. This is not a case of the RIAA going after a file trader, this is a case of the RIAA going after a search engine. A judge ruled Napster hadn't violated the law, and they certainly went further than this kid.
Please everyone saying how innocent this guy is. It's over. They settled. Whether what he did is truly illegal or not is still to be determined. The only part of this that truly disgusts me is that the RIAA had the nerve to take everything this man owned, just because "they were able to." The RIAA knew that a legal battle would be even more expensive on this man, so they tried to "act nice" and let him off with a $12,000 slap on the wrist. Disgusting.
My opionion on the legality of his search engine? It can be taken from two standpoints: (1) If you believe all mediums that allow access to copyrighted material are illegal (P2Ps, search engines, etc.), then this man's search engines (and most others, like google and yahoo) are illegal. For example, if I search on google for a song, I will inevitable come up with a website that hosts an illegal MP3 of that song. However, if you believe such mediums are NOT illegal (which is my opinion) then no, this man's search engine was not breaking any laws. But that is not any of our decisions to make, it all depends on what a judge decides.
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| Re: There hasn't been a clearer case! said by BiG_Lou :
...If you believe all mediums that allow access to copyrighted material are illegal (P2Ps, search engines, etc.), then this man's search engines (and most others, like google and yahoo) are illegal.
Maybe that's where the RIAA is headed. It's possible this case might have been a primer for some more serious fighting regarding music searching on the web as well as file sharing.
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join:2002-12-31
Las Cruces, NM
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Please everyone saying how innocent this guy is. It's over. They settled. Whether what he did is truly illegal or not is still to be determined. The only part of this that truly disgusts me is that the RIAA had the nerve to take everything this man owned, just because "they were able to." The RIAA knew that a legal battle would be even more expensive on this man, so they tried to "act nice" and let him off with a $12,000 slap on the wrist. Disgusting.
My opionion on the legality of his search engine? It can be taken from two standpoints: (1) If you believe all mediums that allow access to copyrighted material are illegal (P2Ps, search engines, etc.), then this man's search engines (and most others, like google and yahoo) are illegal. For example, if I search on google for a song, I will inevitable come up with a website that hosts an illegal MP3 of that song. However, if you believe such mediums are NOT illegal (which is my opinion) then no, this man's search engine was not breaking any laws. But that is not any of our decisions to make, it all depends on what a judge decides.
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join:2003-03-20
Portland, OR
| RIAA/MPAA Bites the big one One of these days, the RIAA is going to piss off the wrong rich person and they are going to get sued, possibly to the poor house.
There are people out there with the resources to bury the RIAA/MPAA in litigation until they are bled dry.
Would be a very amusing bit of news now wouldn't it?
This kid is doing the right thing, speaking out against the RIAA, good for him, I can only hope he doesn't get in any more trouble. | |
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Yorba Linda, CA | RIAA Blows Type "RIAA" into his sample search engine and see what you get... | |
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join:2000-10-23
Columbus, OH
| Criminal consequences Verry interesting.
One of the things that happens when you settle a lawsuit is that violations of a stipulated agreement can become criminal acts. I hope that what he is doing now is clean, because he won't be dealing with the RIAA - he'll be dealing with the court. RIAA does not need to sue him again. They just ask the court to hold him in contempt. Not a pleasant prospect, and a felony in many jurisdictions. | |
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Figures. The RIAA scanned that document, not I.
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Figures. They (ri aa) scanned that document, not I.
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join:2002-03-12
Kew Gardens, NY
| RIAA MAFIA These Riaa's are just like the local gambino's.
Taking money from innocent people and from music artsits which get the smaller peice of the pie. This guy simply stated that he created a simple search engine. Why blame him if someone is looking for mp3's, I think this RIAA people are getting out of hand with this whole situation, they know their days are over, and will be soon.
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join:2003-06-26
Philadelphia, PA
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I dont mean to sound like some kind of idiot terrorist, but what the RIAA is doing is plain wrong and I hope the people they sue fight back and hard. As a matter of fact I hope that I am on that list. I will have fun costing them ten times the amount it takes to collect what I would owe. Then I would take it further, much further. Just like their lawyer, they wouldnt want any future dealings with me. I would make the RIAA very sorry. John Ashcroft would probably like to ask me a series of questions when I got done with them. | |
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join:2003-07-05
Dade City, FL
| Class Action Avalanche? Maybe the trick isn't a really rich person hitting them with one big sum, but a class action lawsuit from a lot of people at once. Say..Filed as a Federal Class Action for Harassment?
It wouldn't be pertaining to whether Filesharing is legal or illegal. It would be under the same premise as computer security and our rights to roam online without invasion or unnecessary surveillance of individuals, being that a law may give them some form of protection, but I'd think an interpretation of the Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness overrides that.
The whole bearing of this would be on if you'd find a judge that would interpret it as a criminal activity or not, especially when the RIAA has sent out lawsuits to people that were sharing 0 files, from what I've heard.
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