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2002-Feb-28 11:57 am
Let's get 'emLet's find that SOB and put his behind in jail! Let's help rid this guy from out society. | |
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Re: Let's get 'emIs this any different that the ENRON mess.. yet these guys stole only a few grand wile the ENRON guys stole millions.. hell billions.. and you will never see them behind bars.
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Re: Let's get 'emMost people fail to see the difference between Enron and situations like this. Enron made it's company seem much more prosperous than it actually was and told its employees to buy stocks when they knew they were going bankrupt. Though these things may be extremely immoral, i'm not quite sure they are covered in the law. DSLMonster.com, however, was selling a product it didn't have, basically stealing. Though both Enron and DSLMonster.com both stole in different ways, Enron may get off because it stole in a way not covered by the law. Deception isn't a crime in some cases. | |
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Re: Let's get 'emWhat Enron did was very much illegal. If not, there would be no reason to shred documents. Enron and Arthur Anderson committed a whole gamut of SEC violations. | |
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2002-Feb-28 6:05 pm
Re: Let's get 'emOnly one thing to say: It's called theft by fraud.
The DSLMonster outright lied. ENRON lied by omission. Personaly, I see one as worse than the other. This is not to say one is /good/, though. | |
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2002-Feb-28 7:10 pm
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Enron and Anderson shredded documents to minimize damages from civil lawsuits, not criminal charges. And SEC regulation violations result in civil penalties, not criminal ones, as long as they aren't fraudulent. But they will likely find fraudulent activity and file some criminal charges, but not enough to counter the full scope of the problem. | |
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Re: Let's get 'emEnron and Anderson were involved in a gigantic Ponzi scheme. They were very much involved in criminal activity. SEC violations are typically directly associated with fraud, although the SEC enforcement branch pursues civil remedy. Shredding documents to destroy evidence is also very much criminal.
Those guys need to be in prison. Skilling, Lay, Fastow, Duncan, all of them... They all were players in the biggest con game ever hatched, and either directly played or withheld information in order to profit. | |
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Re: Let's get 'emsaid by Copzilla:
Those guys need to be in prison. Skilling, Lay, Fastow, Duncan, all of them... They all were players in the biggest con game ever hatched, and either directly played or withheld information in order to profit.
Your statement touches the nexus of the the solution to dramatically reducing corporate crime or criminal activity. As long as corporate officers and executive management are permitted to knowingly condone and permit illegal activities by their corporations and not be held individually criminally liable, nothing will change. They need to be prosecuted and if convicted serve time and make financial restitution. | |
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A publicly held company cannot advise its employee's to invest all of their 401K pension funds in one place, namely their employers stock. What Enron did was ILLEGAL plan and simple. | |
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Re: Let's get 'emThis is what really happened... | |
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shortckt
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2002-Mar-1 5:06 am
Re: Let's get 'emThis would be funny as hell if it weren't so serious!
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TZi
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2002-Apr-12 6:10 pm
Re: Let's get 'emJust think, if the arthur andersen partner had a sprint PCS cell-phone, he would have never even got the call to begin with or would have only heard the first three words. Either way, if only Andersen employees carried sprint-pcs cell-phones, these crooks might never have been able to collaborate the way they did  | |
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Sure they can. You seem to be missing the pretty obvious difference between advising and encouraging. Illegal? No. Ethical? Probably not. | |
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I don't care what the philosophical, ethical and moral similarities are between the enron collapse and DSL monster's scam. I JUST WANT MY MONEY BACK. I wouldn't mind seeing the head of the operation get put in jail either. As long as the jerk paid his debt to me, I'd let the authorities handle his debt to society. | |
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2002-Feb-28 5:45 pm
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The major difference here is that the guy in charge didn't have ties to the president of the united states, wasn't nominated by the vice president to head a subcommittee on DSL, and didn't advise his techs to put all his savings in "DSLmonster" stock | |
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There has been NOTHING Illegal found in what Enron has done as of now. They are investigating, trying to dig up ANYTHING to charge them with. If they did anything illegal they would be in court, not questioned by a committee. | |
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2002-Feb-28 6:54 pm
Re: Let's get 'emThe sad thing about Enron is that what they did _used_ to be illegal, a few years ago. There were some accounting firms with substantial money in Enron, which meant that they couldn't legally audit them; so the accounting firms and Enron lobbied congress (massive contributions to both republicans and democrats, although the accounting firms focussed on democrats while Enron itself focussed on republicans) to remove that regulation.
Boom! Regulation removed.
THAT, to me, is the problem. This chatter about "ties" to the president is irrelevant; there are DEFINITE ties to Congress, and a definitely stupid law as a concrete result. Clean that up.
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2002-Mar-1 11:01 am
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I dont think you'll be getting your money back man. The dude is probably in Mexi land by now. Just out of curiousity, how much were you charged? | |
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I'm ready to roll if you guys are. And NO! I don't have a 9, I have a Mutha-freakin' .45!
We're coming to get you DSLMonster Be-aach!
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Hey I agree with punishing an illegitimate business such as this one.. This business is stealing and handing out empty promises giving the broadband width world a slight knock in the head especially for DSL users.. But lets look at this we are also paying good money for advertised speeds and not nearly getting the bandwidth we are suppose to be getting.. residential servers are holding back about 60% of their potential so there is stealing on both ends.......Put that in your pipe and smoke it... | |
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Premium Member
2002-Feb-28 12:05 pm
Too bad!I was having too much fun watching this guy try this scheme. It would take any address at all and promise service. For the sake of trusting people that put their faith in him I am glad it’s over, but it was funny while it lasted. | |
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A sucker and his money...Barnum was right. A sucker and his money are soon parted. I'm surprised that anyone would have even thought about using this service. I guess everyone has forgotten an important rule. If it looks too good to be true, 99.9% of the time it is. | |
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2002-Feb-28 1:47 pm
Lets be fairAs sharp as I think I am, I can admit that If I had stumbled on that site, BEFORE I heard about DSL reports, I might have been moved for a while. However, while I never actually check the validity of the serice, what I do check is for information on those using it. And since there were NO users  | |
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Re: A sucker and his money...said by badmagicnumber:
Barnum was right. A sucker and his money are soon parted. I'm surprised that anyone would have even thought about using this service. I guess everyone has forgotten an important rule. If it looks too good to be true, 99.9% of the time it is.
Barnum never said that. People think he said "There is a sucker born every minute", but there is no evidence to prove he said those words. I think the quote you are trying to post is "A fool and his money are soon parted." I am not sure who said it, or if it is just an old proverb. K | |
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2002-Feb-28 5:31 pm
Re: A sucker and his money...>I am not sure who said it, or if it is just an old proverb.
Old proverb, indeed. "A fool and his money are soon parted" is in the biblical book of Proverbs, written 4000 years ago by Solomon. It was likely an "old proverb" even then, probably nearly as old as money itself. | |
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2002-Feb-28 6:02 pm
Re: A sucker and his money...>"A fool and his money are soon parted" is in the biblical book of Proverbs
Really?? Chapter and verse, please? I searched Google for about 20 minutes and couldn't find a reference for this.
Nevertheless, if he didn't say it, he most likely said something like it. And even if he didn't, he should have. | |
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2002-Feb-28 6:25 pm
Re: A sucker and his money...An old proverb and the book of Proverbs in the bible are not related. Search old english proverbs instead. | |
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No, it's not. It was first penned by that great scholar, Anonymous. | |
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said by L:
>Old proverb, indeed. "A fool and his money are soon parted" is in the biblical book of Proverbs, written 4000 years ago by Solomon. It was likely an "old proverb" even then, probably nearly as old as money itself.
Hmm -- a search of the online version of Strong's Concordance reveals that this is *not* a Biblical phrase, Proverbs or otherwise. I did see a citation identifying the saying as an "Old Irish Proverb". As far as I know, the Irish had no hand in writing original Biblical texts... | |
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[QUOTE=kemcoBarnum never said that. People think he said "There is a sucker born every minute", but there is no evidence to prove he said those words.[/QUOTE] I think W.C. Fields was the one that said, "There's a sucker born every minute" in one of his movies. I don't know which one he said that in, but it does sound like classic Fields. | |
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Re: A sucker and his money...said by SRFireside:
I think W.C. Fields was the one that said, "There's a sucker born every minute" in one of his movies. I don't know which one he said that in, but it does sound like classic Fields.
You may be thinking of the W.C Fields movie named "Never Give a Sucker an Even Break". | |
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Thanks for the correction.... Quotations were never my strong hold. I knew it was something like that. | |
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Well, alot of those people didn't even know what they were getting into when they ordered service from dslmonster. It looked good, but I wouldn't say it looked TOO good because I looked into one time, and there service was not "underpriced" and there guarantees weren't anything special, and mimicked earthlink's. I think these people were scammed and are just as vulnerable as the rest of us when trying to pick a DSL provider. Although, I think the probably should have come to www.dslreports.com and checked out reviews for it...and since there isn't anything, maybe then they would start thinking [text was edited by author 2002-03-03 12:58:45] | |
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scavio
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2002-Feb-28 12:28 pm
UnbelievableI don't know what more we could have done, it was obvious this was a scam or an idiot who didn't know what he was doing (either way, someone you don't give your credit card number to). I personally called a couple of news places and the such to try to get some attention for this but nothing came of it, and I gave up since I don't live anywhere near California and I hoped that someone would find a way to nip this guy before he got away with any money. All I can say is too bad, we did what we could. | |
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2002-Feb-28 12:56 pm
The saddest partWas the fact that people were actually defending him and somehow thought his crap was legit. If it smells like a scam...looks like a scam...and acts like a scam, it just might be a scam. | |
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Re: The saddest partYou're describing people like this poor schmoe. » Its Back...Dslmonster.comHe supposedly read all the comments here on DSLR about this being a potential scam and the mountain of evidence supporting that claim, yet he was swayed simply by radio ads and the "fact" that it was located in his hometown? Give me a break. Some people are just born pigeons. | |
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There's a book in there somewhere.Very interesting reading! Hats off to the forum members who noticed, investigated and called a scam a scam. "Mr. Monster's" timing was pretty poor. Had he come out with this during the dotcom boom, who knows how much money he could have stolen?
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Kudos to the DSLR Community!!!!I must say i was one of the folks who saw this coming a mile away as well as a lot of others.Despite the unfortunate few who were taken for a ride on this farce, i think we all did an awesome job in getting the word out and tipping off countless others. how i remember so well the posts penned by the con man himself citing " a good business plan" and " the work of a web designer who has been terminated"......WHAT A CROCK!!!!!! This only goes to show how much of a difference the masses can make!!!! Let's all stick together and continue to flush them out of their holes like the rats they are! ATTICA,ATTICA,!!!!! (lol) | |
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Re: Kudos to the DSLR Community!!!!Dang, guess us folks on the "dark side of the moon" ain't getting our DSL after all! l:^)
Good job and Kudos to DSLR et al. | |
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join:2001-12-12
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... I knew it, cuz ...... that Psychic lady on T V told me so ... she told me to save my money, and send it to HER, and she'd tell me where Elvis was ... ... can't wait to meet him ...  ... | |
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2002-Feb-28 2:01 pm
told you sowe told you so.... | |
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join:2000-07-14
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Hmpf.Anyone who really believes that free broadband exists deserves to be ripped off. I'm not siding with "DSL Monster", and I believe they should all be put in prison, but I mean, come on... Think about it. | |
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2002-Feb-28 2:30 pm
2 good 2 b trueThat's all it was. freedsl.com was able to deliver, but they actually had legible, and legit offers, and you knew htat if you went w/ their free dsl, not only was your speed limited, but you had a constant ad banner on your desktop. That's how they were able to pay for it for the time they were still around. The way these people handled it was simply outrageous, and stunk of scandal from day one, apparently. Now it looks like they were made out, and both customers and employees were screwed by this guy. he must've learned from Kenny Lay of Enrom . But seriously, I do feel for those that got scammed into this, but it only serves them right, as this was simply not true from the beginning. He really does deserve some Jail time, in Cell Block V, which stands for the violet bruises he'd get from the others there . | |
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2002-Feb-28 2:33 pm
yepeven tho this is almost a year OLD news and people have already DUH knew it was fake | |
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2002-Feb-28 2:39 pm
White hat hacker exception?Given all the heat generated over the New York Times incident, would anyone care to allow for an exception to the rule of law? | |
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Premium Member
2002-Feb-28 2:43 pm
This pisses me offHere we are, good honest working folks trying to make a living and people like this SOB cheat us out of money. People like this need to be thrown in jail for a very long time.
Then to make matters worse, people supporting Tauzin-Dingell will use this as an excuse to push the bill forward. They will say, see what happened with DSLMonster? If Baby Bells can block out competition things like this won't happen.
This is a sad world indeed. | |
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2002-Feb-28 4:02 pm
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TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Premium Member
2002-Feb-28 4:05 pm
All I can say is......CAVIAT EMPTOR! Time and time again the old adage has rung true, "if it's too good to be true, then it probably is." I just hope that no one here was duped by this loser. If they were, they don't read the posts here much. | |
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Reminds me of soneone else...The comment Monster posted calling us all names was pretty damn funny. Reminds me of this guy. LOL! I do hope he gets his ass thrown in the pokey for scamming the poor ignorant folks who got burned. | |
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Re: Reminds me of soneone else...Just spent the last 1/2 hour on that site. I don't think the two situations are related, but it was VERY entertaining nonetheless. I wonder what ever happened to dear old Bernard.
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2002-Feb-28 6:16 pm
We can catch Corey DyerAre there any white hat hackers that want to try and help track this lowlife down?
I've already started and will post any information I find on Corey Dyer. Any information that is collected on him should be posted in this forum so that we can quickly catch him. | |
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2002-Feb-28 6:48 pm
dslmonster.com from google's cache» www.google.com/search?q= ··· /+&hl=enLook at the bottom:
*For a limited time, DSLMonster.com has FREE DSL for life after a one-time activation fee of $228.00.
*Offer expires 2/28/02
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2002-Feb-28 7:53 pm
In defense of employees I just wanted to come to the defense of the employees to those of you who think that they should have known. Being the boyfriend and son and friend of some of them, I can tell you that most of them didn't know jack about what was going on. Especially since I was the one that ended having to pay back $1850 in bounced checks to their banks. Many of the employees quit quite a while before he left town and made reports to the police knowing that something wasn't right. On the other hand, people like the IT guy Chuck who stuck around to the end helping with the web site make me a little more suspicious. He was the one posting on another forum how DSLMonster was legitamate, and you could criticize the company but not his work. Especially since he was convieniently there to clean all the new computers out of the office and take them for himself. Knowing that they could be used for collateral to help pay back some of the employees. It may also be interesting to note that the police had reports of Corey bouncing large amounts of checks since January and did nothing about it until this late. Which gave him the oppurtunity to move offices and hire a new set of employees and scam more people out of their money. I for one am sorry for everyone involved in this mess. It has ruined some peoples lives and they are now deeply in debt. So please don't automatically assume that most of the employees knew anything as most of them are out a lot more than what was being charged for the service. | |
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Re: In defense of employeesof course RBOCs steal from clecs causing northpoint, rythms, ect... to go bankrupt. and by steal i mean overcharge and then not pay for service or outright lie.
sbc charges northpoint installation fee to send a technician to my house and green means go... few weeks later still no go and then sbc tells northpoint no service to my area even after the modem shows up on my doorstep.
and suppose sbc did let northpoint install my dsl, then SBC would charge, i mean overcharge, the dsl company minumum $29-$35 a month access fee to the line even though the copper has been paid off a long time ago. meanwhilse because SBC had lowered their rates to $39.95 a month, most dsl companies could only charge that much to gain new customers so they essentially get $5-10 to provide u with dsl broadband, which eventually made them bankrupt
notice how sbc raised their rates to $49.95 right after covad/rythms/northpoint declared bankruptcy. and yes sbc made money on their dsl division at $39.95 a month according to the quarterly SEC filings a while ago, which proves the $30 line access charge was just a dirty trick to kill dsl companies
RBOCs=dirtee theives
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OCNBLUE
Premium Member
2002-Feb-28 11:08 pm
Re: In defense of employeessaid by c0mmander:
of course RBOCs steal from clecs causing northpoint, rythms, ect... to go bankrupt. and by steal i mean overcharge and then not pay for service or outright lie.
OK I hate to go through this again but here it goes...RBOC's steal from CLECs? Where do you get this information from? Do you think for a minute that any of these CLEC's could, or should for that matter, create their own infrastructure? To stay competitive, you PROVIDE a service, not resell it. If you own Microsoft, do I have the right to purchase your software directly from you and sell it at a reduced rate? said by c0mmander:
sbc charges northpoint installation fee to send a technician to my house and green means go... few weeks later still no go and then sbc tells northpoint no service to my area even after the modem shows up on my doorstep.
Why should SBC do your install for free for another provider? Do you think Pizza Hut swings by Dominos and says we will deliver your stuff for you? Northpoint should have gone to the DMARC and done a test prior to offering you service. DSL has many factors, distance being the most common. This happens to every ILEC. The computers gives a distance of 6000 feet and at the site they get 22,000 feet. The best test is at the location. said by c0mmander:
and suppose sbc did let northpoint install my dsl, then SBC would charge, i mean overcharge, the dsl company minumum $29-$35 a month access fee to the line even though the copper has been paid off a long time ago. meanwhilse because SBC had lowered their rates to $39.95 a month, most dsl companies could only charge that much to gain new customers so they essentially get $5-10 to provide u with dsl broadband, which eventually made them bankrupt
notice how sbc raised their rates to $49.95 right after covad/rythms/northpoint declared bankruptcy. and yes sbc made money on their dsl division at $39.95 a month according to the quarterly SEC filings a while ago, which proves the $30 line access charge was just a dirty trick to kill dsl companies
Do you really think the $39.95 just pays for the copper? What many fail to see is what the increase in broadband/CLEC's did. The ILEC's were told to support the CLEC's. The CLEC's then hired people who were not knowledgeable in the industry, no offense but I saw it first hand. DSL was a new technology, the ILEC's hardly knew it. They then created service orders not knowing what they were doing. I personally saw 30 mistakes on one request. This causes a rejection in the order and further delays. Do you think Northpoint said it is our fault to the customer? Would you? Easier to blame someone else and try and save a customer. So now the ILECs are forced to higher additional people to meet the demand of providing a service to a VAR not to mention techs, computers, office space, medical the list goes on and on. The ILEC's make most of their money on additional features and additional lines. DSL eliminated the need for additional lines in most cases. I really do not think the ILEC's anticipated the loss in additional lines like they witnessed. Sorry for the length, but I felt if you were going to post this information, someone had to show the other side. | |
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