 CatholicJedi
join:2001-09-28
Mesa, AZ | Bent on destruction It seems Sony (and their ilk) is bent on destroying themselves and damaging the industry.
Will they ever learn?
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join:2001-10-29
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| Re: Bent on destruction That's just it.
They think that everyone will just go along with their crap, and thus complacency = acceptance = more of this to come.
BTW -- just curious....
Does anyone know if these type of copy protection schemes work on stereo component burners?
K.
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join:2001-10-15
Santa Clara, CA | Hey, too bad a lot of the so-called "damage" has been done when I have contacts who have fifteen 80 gb hard drives full of mp3s. LOL Sony, nice try guys. OWNT!
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SpeedD3mon
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ArchAngel21x
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| Re: A page from the book of microsoft The reason there are pirated versions of XP out there is because the Enterprise edition does not require activation. A couple people I go to college with have got their "special rate" copy because of this. Not because the activation scheme didn't work.
Anyway I get your point. People will find a way around it. All this does is hurt the consumers who "play by the rules" all the time with less computer know how.
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| Re: A page from the book of microsoft said by ArchAngel21x:
The reason there are pirated versions of XP out there is because the Enterprise edition does not require activation.
Nope. I used a reg edit and step by step setup from a article in the Register about how week WinXPs protection was. Worked just fine on the Winxp pro.
But after about 6 months of having it on my system I went out and got WinXP Pro anyway. I like to use and see how some software works before I spend money. I wanted to see if WinXP would work with the programs I use before I fully converted..
As far as the CD copy protection goes it will only degrade the quality of the music, but it will NOT stop the copying. What would stop the copying would be a fair price for the CD, Not the $15 $20 that they charge now. I thought that the price would drop since the price of the CD was much less than vinal..but the greed of the music companies keeps the price up...
The stars want the millions, and so do the record companies. Its just greed plain and simple
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| Re: Same here Well you will not see me buying a music cd that states it has copy protection.... I mayself own a mp3 player and have ripped my entire collection of cd's to my HD.. and yes.. I have shared and downloaded a crap load of music... but I usually do go out and buy the CD if I really like the music.. usually an entire CD has 1 or 2 good songs and the rest is crap... so come on.. make the CD's $5 to $10 each and I will never download an mp3 again.. and let me backup my copy as I see fit.. be it mp3, tape, dvd ... or whatever future format I see fit.
Now, I for one when it comes to DVD video.. always.. and I stress ALWAYS go and buy the DVD movie... as I feel I am gettin my $$ worth... especially compared to music audio.. and it is such a shame DVD-Audio could be the future if they would not over price it.. again.. in the $10 range for just audio and maybe $15 for audio & music video files.
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join:2001-12-01
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| Re: Same here I totally agree. I havnt bought a CD for over a year now and I doubt I'll be buying one soon since most only have 2 or 3 good songs and cost 16 bucks or more.
I have been buying DVDs during that time and as long as they are stuffed full of content, as a good chunk are, I'm getting my my moneys worth (IMO) and am not going to waste time trying to copy them. | |
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join:2002-04-03
Warren, MI
| I know exactly where you're coming from. Remember early video tapes? Movies were $70 or more. That's crazy. People recorded them off cable. Now a DVD is $10-$25. We have a large collection. Because that is a fair price. $70 is not. Same for CD's. Rather than lower the price to spur more sales, they blame the technology.
You're right about the cd's contain usually just a couple of good songs. Why pay top dollar for 2 songs I'd listen to? How about a service to pay $1 per song, to have it burned to a CD and shipped to the consumer? Most CD's hold 12-17 songs, guess what, same price! Even better? Charge 50 cents per song and we download them and burn them ourselves? I'd probably pay that, to have a reliable, legitimate download with high quality. And what's the production costs to the record company? Next to nothing. Once it's in digital form, it can be downloaded thousands of times. Now there's a revenue stream I wouldn't mind having! Very low cost to produce, almost infinite income potential! | |
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| YES!! I agree I feel I am getting My moneys worth when I purchase a DVD, so I have no reason to pirate a copy of a DVD. The fact for just about 20 years there has been little if any change in the price of music CD tells me the profit margin on them is enormous. If I could get a CD for
about 10 bucks and it a current release I wouldn't do much MP3'ing. But instead the low cost CD's are from old
analog recordings which sound like they where made with a BoomBox. Look at who you get on these cheap CD's
"The Scat Brothers" "Fred Flatus, and the 3 Phews"
"Air from under a G string", The Morning Woods.
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| If I remember correctly.. at one point in time you where able to go to "THE WAREHOUSE" in Phoenix and order a custom made TAPE or CD but the tracks ran about $2-3 each.
I myself own just under 600 DVD movies only because they are a bargin .... I pay an average of $17 for each.... now I rather collect them than run to the theater with someone.. pay $20 to get in .. + another $15-20 for sodas and popcorn... just to sit at a lousy theater with kids screaming ... people talking.. cell phones ringing.
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LOWER THE PRICE OF AUDIO CD's.. make DVD Audio your next standard.. make it cost no more than $15 w/music videos included.. or no more than $10 w/o music videos.
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ArchAngel21x
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| Re: My 2 cents I think we need to get together and buy (ugh) 1 copy
of this "copy protected" CD. Then, using existing means,
make a whole bunch of copies and mail them back to Sony
with a giant picture of my big, white a..
At this point, it has nothing to do with file sharing,
it is fair use. I would just like to keep using my
MP3 player using music I buy.
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|  Re: My 2 cents
said by rds24a:
I think we need to get together and buy (ugh) 1 copy of this "copy protected" CD. Then, using existing means, make a whole bunch of copies and mail them back to Sony with a giant picture of my big, white a...
I did that once. I recently bought a CD protected using Cactus Data Shield. Within 5 minutes, I found a web page explaining how to get around the protection and rip the tracks (digitally, not using CD player with line-in). I then converted the tracks to MP3s, went to my university computer lab, created myself a Hotmail account under a phony name, and e-mailed these MP3s right back to the label.
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Just recently one of my favorite CD's found it's way on the floor nudged between some books. I push the books out of the way (not knowing my fave CD is set in an awkward position) and SNAP. My CD shatters into dozens of shards. It's a good thing I made mp3's of the best tracks before that happened. Though I might still look for the CD in a used music store since I didn't back up the entire thing. Just goes to show you there are real instances where there is complete legitimacy in fair use copies.
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join:2001-01-01
Hialeah, FL | POST HERE IF U DONT BUY CDS !!! F*CK SONY AND LONG LIVE PIRACY !!!! ITS ALL PART OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND EXEPT WHEN UR TOO POOR TO BUY THE SUPPLY  | |
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| Re: Big deal. Of course. Physical protection of the media means nothing because you can still capture the end product, sound. Nothing short of eradicating all sound recording devices and methods in the world is going to stop this. However the music industry can't comprehend this and insists on creating useless protection schemes that are now interfering with established industry standards. You're right, this will do nothing to stop people with the know how to get around it and only hurt the unknowledgeable consumers.
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| Re: Big deal. said by clyde_:
Of course. Physical protection of the media means nothing because you can still capture the end product, sound. Nothing short of eradicating all sound recording devices and methods in the world is going to stop this. ....
I believe that's what the RIAA wants. In their view anyone who uses a recording device must be a pirate. That's why they get a kickback of every blank cassette sold..
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| I agree that this will work. Keep in mind that it will have to be done in real time rather than the 8 or 10 or 12 speed that a typical CD can be ripped.
What's odd is that given this technique, copy protection is almost a guarantee that someone will suffer through the pain of real-time recording just to spread the MP3 via P2P.
It's crazy out there. Two weeks ago a friend showed me a DVD burn of a movie that's still in theaters today. While not projection/big-screen quality, it was decent on the average 25"-30" color set.
In some ways, what movie and recording studios are attempting sounds a lot like the era prohibition. | |
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Poway, CA
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| Re: Big deal. Actually, though my CD writer can rip at up to 8x, I purposefully have it set to a "secure mode", and as a result, it takes nearly half an hour to rip a CD at 2x. I don't mind it though, because the end result is the rip is free of errors.
The other thing is, not everyone motivated enough to go through that is doing it to spread the MP3 via a P2P network. Some of us just like the convenience of MP3s as opposed to having to find the damn CD, wiping off the dust, and popping it in the drive.
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join:2000-08-08
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| Re: Big deal. True. I didn't mean to imply everyone willing to do this would also be of the type that wants to "teach the recording companies a lesson." There are plenty of legitimate, legal uses of this technique. However, I think there will be plenty that will play by their own "God given right because they think it's a rip-off" set of rules.
The really tough part of this is that in the end, the type of folks that will be truly penalized are those who actually bought the CD.
This was much the same case when I had my first job out of college. Lotus used a strange "123" protection scheme that wrote to the original floppies each time you installed the product. They would let you install the program something like two or three times and then the disks wouldn't be worth fodder. If a user trashed their PC several times, causing you to reinstall a legitimate copy, you could get burned. Often we used another user's disks or any set of disks with a remaining install. And of course, there were plenty of disks. There were disks galore because we had copies for every PC. There was an entire vault of 5.25" floppies for each software package we had to purchase.
Those were the early days. Now that software is more reasonable (sans Microsoft Office!), there doesn't seem to be a need to pirate software. Sure, people still do it but it's much easier to download a decent program and pay $49 than it is to bother with trying to find an illegal copy.
I know that's no excuse but it's human nature to disregard things that seem unjust. For instance, there are lots of silly speed limits on wide open roads that folks totally ignore. That doesn't make it right, but we humans tend to take the law into our own hands when we feel abiding by the law is somehow ridiculous or unfair. I really think that's the case with the entire record and movie industry. They would do best to realize this and try to solve the problem of why people feel this way rather than treating the symptoms.
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| The RIAA and the MPAA are like a broken record. As is pointed out here put an analog loop in the recording
process and kiss the copy guard goodby. Somewhere around
here it was said that they are going to piss off 50,000
hackers and who do you think will win. Does it upset
me that I can get all the Beatles I want for free, hell
no, Michael Jackson has the publishing rights to all of
their music, I just can't feel guilty about ripping that
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amdaz
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join:2000-12-29
San Francisco, CA | Yes Mr. Fox,
but to some people (like me) it is still too much hassle. just make sure you put your collection up though.
And please everyone dont mention streamripper (oops), we dont want RIAA to found out do we? | |
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ItaniumNebula
join:2001-01-01
Hialeah, FL | ahahahahaha the protection isnt even out and there we have a solution | |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
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| Won't stop copying Once again a major record label is going out of their
way to curtail fair use rights in the name of preventing
piracy. Their measures won't stop the real pirates who
will record the audio from the CD using the line in on
any sound card, then burning not just one CD or making
mp3s to put on the P2P networks, but rather copying
thousands of CDs to sell on the gray market in places
like street corners and flea markets. It's THAT kind
of piracy that's costing the 5 major labels the bulk
of their profits, and not file sharers. But those dumb***
bozos will never learn, will they.
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nanofever
Liberal Democrats, You Know We're Right
join:2001-08-19
Modesto, CA
| Re: Won't stop copying Exactly Shuten, this screws the casual user who is just getting into the mp3/burning/ripping scene. I have my 20 doller cd player, audio cord, and Brand Spanking New soundcard for a reason. Im sticking it to Sony everyway I can just as soon as a descent cd comes out with copy protection.
I wont put Crap pop on my system
Now excuse me I have to get back to KazaaLite my mp3's are done Dling
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YearZero
Heavy Metal Bakesale
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join:2001-08-28 | Copy protection...hell no we won't buy... First off whose pirating celine dion's new cd? This so called protection will be cracked in the first three hours after its released. | |
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yock
TFTC
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join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH |  Who wants to buy me a stereo?
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St0ney
join:2001-02-25
uranus | HELLL NOOOO Never bought a CD in my life and i NEver will | |
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Straphanger
Express is Back
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join:2001-12-08
Jackson Heights, NY
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| No more buying for me I refuse to buy any copy-protected CD's. I'm sure there's a hacker out there just waiting to crack this latest effort to destroy the music trading going on over the Internet. They did it with DVD's so they and do it with CD's. It's even worse when it crashes your computer. There might even be a few lawsuits floating out there.
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join:2001-07-23
Mckeesport, PA
| Are they that stupid? First off, there are all ready millions of songs existing on p2p networks that the industry can't do short of shutting everything down. Do they really think that by doing this to all new releases that everyone will give up sharing? They should hire someone just to browse IRC channels and these P2P networks and see how many smart people there are. | |
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alex4life
Alex4life
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join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC
| Bull This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. A CD that doesn't play in a computer is almost useless. What about all those people who JUST listen to the CD on their computer, because they have good speakers? They don't rip the songs into mp3's and share them. Sony is gonna lose big on this one. Also, wouldn't it be grounds to sue if a CD ruined your computer? I call that vandalism. What if you had some important work related files on there?? Then what??? F*ck you Sony
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join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
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| Re: Bull Making discs that will crash computers (intentionally or otherwise), aside from being unethical to say the least, is opening the labels up to a Pandora's box of lawsuits.
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kilingspam
join:2001-04-30
San Jose, CA
| Maybe they will learn when they see sales drop 50% Twice I have had my car broken into and FULL CD CASE stolen.
The first time it happened was before burners were popular.
Auto Insurance does not cover items like that.
I was out $1,000.00. That is a BUTT LOAD of cash to plop down to replace.
Second time my car was broken into another FULL CASE of 50 CD'S GONE! This time it was my backup copies for the car.
This time I was only out $20.00 for the cdr's and labels.
If they think I would ever have a master CD in my car they are smoking crack. Copy Protection or not I am ripping that CD in any way possible to put on a CDR and leave my master at home in a safe place.
When I buy a Music CD I am paying for what is ON THE CD not the media it is on.
I maybe only buy a cd now every 3 months or so now.
When they started crying like little babies I chose to send my message to them by keeping my money.
I boycotted EVERYTHING Sony a LONG TIME AGO after buying a Sony dvd player and THEN found it it would not play cdr's.
It was totally useless, junk, crapola, STUPID, and they made it that way ON PURPOSE!
I went out and bought a dozen Apex 703 players and they play everything I throw at it.
I can't wait to see the labels reaction when their sales figures plunge 50% when the masses finally encounter their anti-consumer practice.
The really interesting FACT to come of it:
They will be FORCING people to pirate the disc into a digital/cdr format so they can listen to it on their computer. Millions of people who would have not turned it into an mp3 in the first place. This will result into even more music being digitally available for pirating.
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join:2001-09-28
Mesa, AZ | Re: Maybe they will learn when they see sales drop 50% And currently, the law says you can do that, and the Supreme Court has upheld it. And yet, there are people trying to get that changed.
Fools.
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SAM Hunter$
join:2001-05-11
USA
| said by kilingspam:
I boycotted EVERYTHING Sony a LONG TIME AGO after buying a Sony dvd player and THEN found it it would not play cdr's.
It was totally useless, junk, crapola, STUPID, and they made it that way ON PURPOSE!
I went out and bought a dozen Apex 703 players and they play everything I throw at it.
Dude, I can't believe your experience with the Sony! Talk about something to enrage a person! Its stories like yours that makes even gun owners like me see the need for gun control laws!
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Optimum1
Hey Macleod, Get Offa My Ewe
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| Ever Hear of 'Line In' ?? These copy protections are going to *slow down* the origination of pirate copies --- forcing people to play them on normal CD players, then do the old Line-Out/Line-In trick, and burn a good chunk of hard drive and time re-encoding the analog signal. Big deal. Once the file is out there, the trusty old P2P systems won't care how long it took to create. It will discourage some, but not all. One thing it will do for sure --- alienate customers, and make them even more motivated to cheat the recording companies. | |
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join:2002-04-08 |  CD protection HA what a joke!
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join:2001-05-11
Clarksville, TN | Re: Only a matter of time 80 mins of music for 18 bucks
dvd = hours of music and video for 20 bucks
which would u buy?
now if MUSIC cds were reasonably priced it would not be a problem, LOTS more people would buy them! | |
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PatientGuy
I'M Way Deep Into Nothing Special
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| I make copies of the CDs I buy to use in my car and boat so I don't have to worry about them getting trashed, lost or stolen. I also listen to CD through my computer while I work. If I buy a CD and it won't do those things I'm taking it back. If I here one word of grief about it I'm canceling the charges on my credit card. Pay $15-$17 for a CD and then having the record company tell me how I can us it? I think not. | |
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