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Carrollton, TX | priceless A true, confident religion invites scrutiny.
Scientology cowers in fear of scrutiny, to the point that their lawyers bully search portals into removing links to sites which are critical of it. | |
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| Re: priceless said by MrBradTX:
A true, confident religion invites scrutiny.
Scientology cowers in fear of scrutiny, to the point that their lawyers bully search portals into removing links to sites which are critical of it.
Can you say "Money Grubbing Cult"?
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| Re: priceless I thought about joining scientology back in the early 70's. They had some cute babes doing the come-on pitch, some impressive hand waving and promises. Just what a 19 year old just off momma's apron strings would go for (implied sex sells a lot, especially to boot sailors!)
What turned me off was the mystical gadget that could analyze (I think it was your emotion stability) you and help guide you to fulfillment. When I realized that the mystical gadget nothing more that a galvanometer/ohmmeter, zip.
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| Throughout history this has been the mark of organized religion. The enemy of organized religion is knowledge. I speak not of religion itself but organized religion that uses the same business model as the Gambino Crime Family. If they want to play Mr. Businessman then I say let they pay taxes. That will end that problem. | |
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| Re: priceless said by dhammer:
The enemy of organized religion is knowledge. I speak not of religion itself but organized religion that uses the same business model as the Gambino Crime Family.
Agreed. Religions and denominations that build elaborate power structures around themselves invariably start moving away from the former and emphasizing the latter. | |
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join:2001-06-01
Pittsburgh, PA | ...as I've said several times:
If we can just all believe that the year 3000 Psychlos are coming to destroy all of us "man-animals", then why worry about any of this??? | |
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ramones74
Rock The Proverbial Casbah
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TxKent
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| Re: oh yeah? said by ramones74:
let's hear you say that when the mothership arrives!
Oh, you're going to go to... Hey, where do bad scientologists go when they die? A lesser planetoid or something??  Wouldn't be hell...
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clubs: | Re: oh yeah? gee.......and I thought they all went to an as*teroid.....which would look very simular to a hemoroid!
{rotflmao}
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Thanks, you made my day.... | |
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Juke Box
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Bar & Grill | said by TxKent:
Oh, you're going to go to... Hey, where do bad scientologists go when they die?
Poverty.
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join:2001-05-11
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My current complaint aside, you folks at DSLR overall do a great job everywhere, including in preparing and posting good articles for the News Forum.
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join:2001-05-23
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| Re: Think you guys supplied enough links? said by Lost in Space:
Your one paragraph lead for this story has six links alone. If you go to each of them they pull up a page that offers another gaggle of links. There must nearly 40 or 50 links to this story.
The reason that typing "scientology" in a Google search always brings up a, well, a google of links to the Official Church of Scientology, and virtually none to critical sites: the official site links to several dozen other sites on different domain names, which all link back to the official site and to each other. All the sites are shills for the church.
This cleverly exploits Google's "democratic process" of ranking sites by the number of links from other sites. The number of these nepotistic links far outnumbers the number of links to and from critical sites, which tend to be independent. So the critical sites tend to appear somewhat further south in the list.
For the "DLSR Staff Dudes" to create a similar "link nest" was subtle poerty in motion, a great inside joke. Bravo. | |
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| Re: Think you guys supplied enough links? said by MrBradTX:
For the "DLSR Staff Dudes" to create a similar "link nest" was subtle poerty in motion, a great inside joke. Bravo.
Inside joke? Brad, I'm sorry you aren't feeling well. I hope you get better soon. Only kidding! But your theory or explanation seems really lame to me. (No personal insult intended.) I can't tell if your are serious or just kidding around. It just seems like poor organization of the article by DSLR for posting in the News Forum.--
Just because its factual and accurate doesn't mean its true.
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| birdfeedr
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Your one paragraph lead for this story has six links alone....
I think the multiple links concept is better. When I have an hour or so to browse the forest of links (the pro *and* the con), I can make a better informed opinion. The multi-link style is often used at »www.memepool.com, my second favorite place on the web. | |
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titanium
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Atlanta, GA | hmm so now its controlled whats on the net.. what happened to freedom of speach? oh wait, i forgot.. we never actually had it in the first place. | |
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| mwf
join:2000-11-26
Salisbury, NC | Campaign Finance Bill According to currently passed legislation, only incumbent politicians and the "media" have freedom of speech. And in this case "the media" is only pro democrat newspapers and news anchors. What a great time to be an american. | |
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M0rpheus
Ubi Dubium Ibi Libertas
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"And in this case "the media" is only pro democrat newspapers and news anchors." No, in this case "the mainstream media" is whoever will do the governments bidding without actually investigating the content. Presently, any outlets of dissenting opinion are labeled "un-American", "crackpots", and "traitors".
Pro-Democrat is only a little buzzword for people who can't won't think for themselves, as is Pro-Republican.
The masses are being spoonfed soundbites of crap designed to make the current administration look like they know what they are doing (None of them do, Rep or Democrat, BTW).
If you really want to know what is going on in this world you would step past party lines and read other sources of news (Not just from this country). Take it all with a grain of salt and decide for yourself rather than letting the a 4 min story on the toob be the end of your research.
Just like religion, a good administration invites scrutiny. This one is attempting to legislate your rights to know what they are doing, supposedly for your interests, out of the equation.
The only party I subscribe to is my own. The present parties are only labels to make it easy for you to identify with. What people should be worrying about is, what really gets done, and is it in your/our best interests. Is this "war" really in your best interest?
"What a great time to be an American" In the spirit that it was intended, I agree.
*Back on topic now*
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| Re: Campaign Finance Bill said by M0rpheus:
No, in this case "the mainstream media" is whoever will do the governments bidding without actually investigating the content. Presently, any outlets of dissenting opinion are labeled "un-American", "crackpots", and "traitors"...........
There is precious little dissenting opinion now that a handful of corporations control most of our news media. said by M0rpheus:
Just like religion, a good administration invites scrutiny. This one is attempting to legislate your rights to know what they are doing...
This is not a good administration, neither was the previous one. Corruption and incompetence have become acceptable at the highest levels of government and industry. | |
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Ubi Dubium Ibi Libertas
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| Re: Campaign Finance Bill said by pupowski:
There is precious little dissenting opinion now that a handful of corporations control most of our news media.
Exactly my point. Even if there are reporters here who want to criticize, they have to think twice about the consequences... Why write/say it if you will have to apologize and equivocate later (anyone watch Politically Incorrect?). Provided, of course, that you will even be allowed to say it.
said by pupowski:
This is not a good administration, neither was the previous one. Corruption and incompetence have become acceptable at the highest levels of government and industry.
Or the one before that, Or the one before that, Etc...
With each new administration it gets worse, as the powers-that-be become more and more consolidated. Revising history in order to foster the "correct" responses from us.
I can name 30+ "conservative" commentators on T.V./radio today. How many "liberals" can you name?
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Jamming777$
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| Re: Campaign Finance Billsaid by M0rpheus:
I can name 30+ "conservative" commentators on T.V./radio today. How many "liberals" can you name?
Maybe you can identify them, because the identify themselves, most of the liberals ones "say oh no we aren't liberals" while they vote about 95% with liberal causes, when they are the national news services.
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| Re: Campaign Finance Bill The huge majority of print and television media journalists are liberal. No secret and no debate there. The only place conservative media personalities dominate in numbers is in the field of talk radio.
As for identifying who is liberal and who is conservative in either the news media or the news itself, it is easy. If someone is liberal their name and title, if any, is just given. For instance Columnist and commentator John Smith. This is no matter how liberal he is or how liberal of an organization he may represent or be a spokesperson for. If on the other hand he is a conservative he will almost always be identified as "conservative" columnist and commentator John Smith.
Simple stuff really.
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morbo
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And in this case "the media" is only pro democrat newspapers and news anchors.
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Polaris5
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| Since when do artists and censors mix so smoothly? said by titaniumTM:
so now its controlled whats on the net.. what happened to freedom of speach? oh wait, i forgot.. we never actually had it in the first place.
Well, we kind of had it until the DMCA came along. Yup, that's the famous DMCA being relied upon by the MPAA and RIAA to shut down P2P technology. As we can see here, that very same DMCA is being used to censor speech on the Internet. Hmm, I wonder if the DMCA's unconstitutional? Hhhhmmmmmmmmm.
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join:2001-01-20
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| Re: Hmmmmmmmmm said by Doubting Thomas:
I find no difference in this religion and any other. "Believe our story with no proof or you will suffer eternally"...or is that "get coal in your stocking", I forget.
That may be true, but us simple folks who actually believe that a religion (other than scientology) might actually be for real don't sue folks who say otherwise. Ok, so most of the older religions used to kill and torture people if they didn't believe, well that was a long time ago and they, for the most part, learned that method really did not produce the desired affect. But they never drug them into court....
Well there was that Scopes Monkey Trial in Tennessee, that thing in Ohio recently about creationism vs evolution, and...
Guess we don't have either Freedom of Religion or Speech. The folks who have lots of power (or is that money) that control those freedoms simply can't stand to let us in on that fun...
And I thought I was going to read about Broadband over here. Man Religion and Politics at once. What more could you ask for? | |
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Jamming777$
Time Is Running Out
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| Re: Hmmmmmmmmm said by bigjames:
That may be true, but us simple folks who actually believe that a religion (other than scientology) might actually be for real don't sue folks who say otherwise. Ok, so most of the older religions used to kill and torture people if they didn't believe, well that was a long time ago and they, for the most part, learned that method really did not produce the desired affect. But they never drug them into court....
What can you say about people who don't have religion? Are they mostly moral and open minded, not really they want to control what people believe also. Just take a look at the post here in this forum, most of them paint religion all with the same color. The nin-religious are just as guilty as being narrow minded about things religious as vice versa but at least I see out reach the is generally more successful with the religious ones in changing peoples lives for the better. What did they say in that book, "you shall know them by the fruits of their labor?" What have each of you done lately besides complain?
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| Are you shure they are not a Telecom? Wow this reads like what some ILECS/CLECS do to their employees, stockholders, and customers when they cry foul. Are there a lot of DSL companies that are also SC members? I'm totally serious. LOL. If copyright or trademark laws are broken and Google knows about it but does nothing then Google should get in trouble. If someone is stating what they have witnessed while participating in a SC event then Google should leave the posts on. I feel people have the right to share what they have seen online and not say their name. Hopefully, if their name is found out they have witnesses and documents to back their claims and can counter sue for a very large amount. | |
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This is a cult for money pure and simple and they go after every single website that even hints at any critizism. They even state that any person that is against the church may be dealt with in any manner no matter what. They even condone killing ex members who critizise the church. This would be like catholic preists killng the boys they molest. In Germany, they are not a religion and even John Travolta (a BIG Scientologist) goes there year after year trying to get them to recognize the religion. What is needed is a concerted effort on the web and in the courts against this sham. | |
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elboricua
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Bronx, NY | Re: damn you all to hell Scary Thought.......
What is happening to Free Speech........
Hmmmm May be I have said too much.......
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Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| Re: Maybe the Cult Scientologists are doing us a favor they are certainly not proving the critics charge "that the DMCA is unconstitutional", in this case.
there is quite a bit of copyrighted material at xenu.net if you click around and look at the whole site you will find a fair bit of it... i do believe that it is fair use, but the case does have a *tiny* bit of merit
i think the DMCA is a poorly written law and would love to see it ruled as unconstitional eventually, but it wont come as a result of this case, it will simply be ruled in favor of one of the two parties | |
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New York, NY | oohhhh careful here Religion and Politics. gotta be real careful here cause people do crazy shit to prove they believe. my case in point is the scrotums from the Fall. they don't even deserve mention but you all know who I mean. that was all about God and politics. | |
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Now, if we could just get you good US citizens reverted back to the proper use of z's (as in citizens, not organiSation) then I'd be elated. Still, you can't have everything.... :P | |
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