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Home Grown Speed
If you want something done right...
(old news - 04:53PM Thursday Apr 18 2002)
tags: alternatives · bandwidth
You can wait for broadband to come to you, you can move to where broadband is, or you can simply bring that high speed connection you've always wanted right to your front step by creating your own ISP. It's becoming increasingly common for communities and individuals who find themselves either underserved, poorly served, or not served at all to simply take the plunge and do it themselves, despite the headaches.

In our forums, one user from Huntington Station, New York was inspired to bring service to his local area of 15-25 homes, converting his LAN configuration into an honest to goodness ISP head end, prompting most of the forum to wish he were their neighbor.



The user explains his gigabit fiber internet configuration: "2 Multimode duplex fiber cables run to central boxes, or nodes as you might call them. There is a media converter that that changes it from fiber to cat5e. There is a 1" Cat5 cable connecting the media converter to a 10 port Linksys workgroup hub. then the cat5e's run from the hub to small pipes to individual houses. From there its up to the customers to what they want to do with it." At 1000 Mbps, that can be just about anything.



He's coined his burgeoning ISP DHFI or Dix Hills Fiber Internet. Users in his general area (within seventy-five feet and you can just run some Cat5) can run cable and partake in the joy of gigabit internet access, provided you have the proper digging permits, and the dinero. For additional detail, or to ask questions about his network, you can visit this thread and ask away. If you're willing to move to his New York area road, perhaps he'll hook you up as well?

Similar projects are going on all over the world. For example you may remember the group of Swedish Slashdot readers who one day decided to create their own 100Mbps fiber network. There is also the Ruby Ranch Internet Cooperative Association's plans to wire a 40 home neighborhood with DSL, their difficult times with Qwest standing as an example that setting up your own ISP is far from easy.

But it is getting easier. Particularly if you're willing to go wireless, like the roaming professor of Hawaii, who started his own wireless ISP on the main island, and now spends his days looking for new locations to place towers in order to expand his 300 square mile homegrown Wifi empire. There are many members of our wireless forum who share similar goals.

And it's not just end users who are fed up with the wait and are doing something about it. It's becoming very common for rural communities, ignored by the mega-corporations because they don't look good on paper, to simply up and create themselves an ISP. Like the wealthy community of Palo Alto, who simply decided to bring fiber directly to the curb of area residents.

For those of less affluent means who can't afford the Palo Alto $1,200 for fiber installation and monthly charge, or the lofty price tag involved in creating your own head end, you shouldn't give up hope. You may want to instead look toward your local government. Communities like Spencer, Iowa, Thomasville, Georgia, and Geneva, Illinois, grew tired of their local offerings and began offering local service (phone, cable, web) themselves, and with great success.

As the threat of telco deregulation looms, the broadband black holes may have a tendency to widen. If you can afford it (or you have a friendly neighbor who can afford it) the old motto "If you want something done right, do it yourself" may just ring true.

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DaSneaky1D
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He certainly is proud of himself!

And rightly so. From visits to the BB photo forum, you can see his total enthusium for networking/equipment. It is good to see someone D.I.Y. and Oxygen is showing what time, studying, and effort can result in. Keep it up!
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martissimo

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Re: He certainly is proud of himself!

it's quite a cool project, definitely something to be proud of
peteman3

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Re: He certainly is proud of himself!

Everything was fine until I got to this part of the article:

Q: What is the average cost to you?
A: I prefer not to discuss prices, sorry.

Let's get real here, price was my biggest curiosity in this article and he prefers not to discuss it.
Angrychair

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Re: He certainly is proud of himself!

No joke. Made a total ass of himself on that one...

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Re: He certainly is proud of himself!

SO what if he doesn't want to discuss it? It is HIS company, and he has the right to do anything he pleases with it. Do you want to spend all day working outside, digging those pipes and installing those nodes? You two need to get it straight.

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peteman3

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Re: He certainly is proud of himself!

If he doesn't talk price, then that makes him just as bad as Comcast and all the other big companies. He didn't have to talk specifically about what his expenses were, but the least he could have done is state what he's charging people in his neighborhood for his service. Sure it's his company and he can do as he pleases, but anyone who sets up their own ISP who doesn't talk price, will surely lose my interest in his company and me as a potential customer. You're the one who needs to get his head out of his a**.

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Re: He certainly is proud of himself!

said by peteman:
If he doesn't talk price, then that makes him just as bad as Comcast and all the other big companies. He didn't have to talk specifically about what his expenses were, but the least he could have done is state what he's charging people in his neighborhood for his service. Sure it's his company and he can do as he pleases, but anyone who sets up their own ISP who doesn't talk price, will surely lose my interest in his company and me as a potential customer. You're the one who needs to get his head out of his a**.
I am always up for a good discussion, but when you tell me to take my head out of my ass, it ends there.
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Angrychair

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What is the relevance of this??

The only viable reason I can think of that he refuses to discuss price in any sort of public forum is that he's changing it on a per customer basis.

Doesn't like the look on your face? You pay double. You're black? you pay triple. You're a young person? you pay quadruple.

Yeah, great reason not to discuss price. Honestly, though, I can't think of any legitimate reason for him not to want to talk about his own expenses and prices.

Oxygen
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Re: He certainly is proud of himself!

said by Angrychair:

What is the relevance of this??

The only viable reason I can think of that he refuses to discuss price in any sort of public forum is that he's changing it on a per customer basis.

Doesn't like the look on your face? You pay double. You're black? you pay triple. You're a young person? you pay quadruple.

Yeah, great reason not to discuss price. Honestly, though, I can't think of any legitimate reason for him not to want to talk about his own expenses and prices.
Hey hey, relax there big guy...

Your in Florida, did you forget that? You have nothing to worry about the price or how your face looks, you have Bellsouth, remember?

And please dont assume things, dont tell me how to run my ISP...

I really appreciate all the positive things others said, but like they say, there are a couple of rotten apples among us --- angrychair being one of them.
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Angrychair

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Re: He certainly is proud of himself!

Sorry that the sarcasm missed you guys.

I'm not saying that my statements have any reality on the situation, they're just 'no good reasons' for not posting anything about costs and prices.

I know everyone wants to get rich as quick as possible, but if you're trying to come across as the good guy in the world of broad band, there's nothing wrong with discussing your finances as they'd be a boon in people's efforts for similar projects elsewhere... (ie, at least they'd have an idea of what kind of money would be needed)

And no, I'm not at all interested in getting private messages revealing the information. If it's not totally public, it's really not worth my time.

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said by Angrychair:

What is the relevance of this??

The only viable reason I can think of that he refuses to discuss price in any sort of public forum is that he's changing it on a per customer basis.

Doesn't like the look on your face? You pay double. You're black? you pay triple. You're a young person? you pay quadruple.

Yeah, great reason not to discuss price. Honestly, though, I can't think of any legitimate reason for him not to want to talk about his own expenses and prices.
Do you want me to IM you the plans he is offering? You need to get your act together before you start throwing the crap around the forums!

oWn3d
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M A R K
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get a grip Angrychair , he dont have to tell you anything , and to go in to all this crap , like "Doesn't like the look on your face? You pay double. You're black? you pay triple. You're a young person? you pay quadruple." is crazy , ill say one thing if you live in DixHills you pay a lot right off the bat, but dude you have to relax
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[text was edited by author 2002-04-22 11:53:04]

Oxygen
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Just message me, and I will tell you the costs !
peteman3

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Re: He certainly is proud of himself!

Forget it. Far be it from me to tell you how to run your ISP. Goodbye and good luck!

DaSneaky1D
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I wish I could change that original post of mine. While it is nice to see someone have a heart felt interest in something...while it is nice to experiment with networking, I'm also a realist and tech in the high speed data field. I know how much bandwidth costs and see disconnect company circuits every day due to non-payment with due credit of hundreds of thousands of dollars in bandwidth charges. Then comes the local loop charge...

I say keep on truckin' with your interest, but I can't see it as any more than that.
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scott2ya
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Now to be assimilated

Now you have to open your network to allow any joe shmoe isp access to your network... Just in case one of your neighbors wants to get aol... ha ha...

that would be funny

ArchAngel21x
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Re: Now to be assimilated

said by packetman:
Now you have to open your network to allow any joe shmoe isp access to your network... Just in case one of your neighbors wants to get aol... ha ha...

that would be funny
Actually that is a good thing to bring up. If I decided to become an ISP, would I have to open my lines to competition? Or do I not fall under that restriction simply because I would have so few customers?
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martissimo

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Re: Now to be assimilated

that only applies to providers over phone lines to this point doesn't it?

dnoyeB
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You dont own any lines. Your neighbors lines are their own. at least in this case that is how it is.

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Personal Experiences

I've managed to have several private conversations with Oxygen, and let me tell you all that he is a great guy. He knows what he is doing, and will surely be very successful with his ISP.

Good luck with the ISP, Oxygen. I hope your service is liked by many!

oWn3d
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sporkme
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Re: Personal Experiences

I don't get it... He works for Optimum but is running his own ISP at home? Weird.

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Re: Personal Experiences

said by sporkme:
I don't get it... He works for Optimum but is running his own ISP at home? Weird.
He doesn't work for OOL..

sporkme
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Re: Personal Experiences

Did work then? There's a picture in one of his posts of a box that's an internal OOL nameserver. Hope it's not B&E

The thread was on "staring/not staring into gigabit ethernet transceivers". Check out the pics.

edit - I got less lazy:

»What your eyes can't see
(look at the night-vision pic for a clear picture of the IP)

and

8 r2-pos9-1.in.hcvlny.cv.net (199.125.151.70) 15.970 ms 14.841 ms 16.070 ms
9 r1-srp10-0.cr.hcvlny.cv.net (167.206.12.3) 16.027 ms 6.616 ms 16.028 ms
10 r3.srp5-0.cr.hcvlny.cv.net (167.206.12.19) 5.155 ms 4.763 ms 5.257 ms
11 167.206.15.133 (167.206.15.133) 7.752 ms 13.113 ms 16.050 ms
12 167.206.15.155 (167.206.15.155) 16.917 ms 10.180 ms 16.053 ms
13 ns6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (167.206.7.4) 4.921 ms 4.742 ms 4.886 ms

[text was edited by author 2002-04-21 01:03:09]

Oxygen
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IP

I dont think you should be checking out every IP address you see in the pictures...

I mean, why would you even bother to waste time doing this, not only checking it, but also posting about it?

Did you check all those IPs that are visible in silicon_freak's pictures? Maybe you should also ping them all, you know - just incase, to see if everything is up to your standards.
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sporkme
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Re: IP

Oh, OK, maybe your dad works there...

Seriously, why so touchy about this subject? I'm an admin. If I see an IP in a weird place, I'm curious what it is. Takes just seconds.

So if you took the picture, and that IP is an OOL nameserver, then you either work there, know someone who works there, or broke in to their facilities to take pictures of their fiber transceivers.

I would imagine you're not into B&E. I would imagine you're a bit younger than folks might believe and that you've got a parent in the biz...

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said by oWn3d:
I've managed to have several private conversations with Oxygen, and let me tell you all that he is a great guy. He knows what he is doing, and will surely be very successful with his ISP.

Good luck with the ISP, Oxygen. I hope your service is liked by many!

oWn3d

Yes, I imagine you have had "several private conversations", after all, you share DSLR accounts here if memory serves (makes it quite easy to go "back and forth" in the discussions, who knows "who" is posting what actually??)
[text was edited by author 2002-04-21 04:07:00]

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Re: Personal Experiences

said by JDM1971:
Yes, I imagine you have had "several private conversations", after all, you share DSLR accounts here if memory serves (makes it quite easy to go "back and forth" in the discussions, who knows "who" is posting what actually??)
[text was edited by author 2002-04-21 04:07:00]

Oxygen and I are two different people..
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Re: Personal Experiences

said by oWn3d:

Oxygen and I are two different people..

Could be I suppose. Are you his messenger boy then?

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Nope.. I just answer questions with things he has told me ahead of time.

cbcalhoun
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Dude there is no since in back tracing peoples Ip addys to prove them wrong. It is obvious he is doing what he is doing and not lying to you... Maybe he has a previous setup on that muxer an had had time to remove the addy on it...
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pH1
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Um he has OOL cable also to keep costs down on his end. He probably has it there for a reference.

sporkme
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Re: Personal Experiences

said by pH1owns:
Um he has OOL cable also to keep costs down on his end. He probably has it there for a reference.
ummm :0

OOL doesn't locate infrastructure in subscriber's homes. At least I hope not. This is a freaky forum.
illtww

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That is Pimp

I am thiking about making a 1 mile Omni Directional Wireless network. Wish Me luck!

This guy is the MAN!!


cbcalhoun
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Good Luck Oxy!

Best of luck Oxygen! Were here for you if you need us, of course you know that already! You made it to the mainpage! Nice Job!

Ry
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Great Job !

Like my signature says "When you want something done right... do it yourself !". You should be proud of yourself . Congratulations on making the front page also
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imtim83
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Re: Great Job !

Sure wish i could do that here in Louisiana but i am sure its too expersive. Cox.net is not that good at here plus its nothing as good as OOL. It is pretty amazing how easy it is becoming to create your own high speed internet isp.
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Wow.....you go.

I wish I lived in your neighborhood along with the rest of the people here on DSLR. Congrats on making it to the News forum, and I'll bet with 12 subscribers lined up, you will really be in the money, considering you had that 100Mbps line with nobody else, if you build it, they will subscribe, and they did! 75ft? Wow, and I thought Pacbell's 17k feet poicy was harsh Cat5? Sounds good. Good luck, and I might just have to move to Middlesex drive, hehe
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SO What

@pacbell.n

So...

it's not that big of a deal.

Subaru
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Hey

F*** off So WHAT I would love to see you try something like this.

PS Good Luck Oxy!!

g0nepostal
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I have a way of extending his service area

He could set up a wireless network, but instead of using omnidirectional antennas he could build cheapie Pringles can antennas and mount then on the customers' roofs!

Seriously! If he wants to service his neighborhood, he can use a WAP/router box connected to one of the Ethernet ports, then use the 192.168.1.0 network the box will use to serve up customers with it.

Set up one omnidirectional high-gain antenna on his roof directly connected to the WAP, and then for each client use a Orinoco wireless NIC connected to a Pringles can antenna aimed directly at his house.

It's fairly inexpensive and a good way to build up the customer base without having to dig.

Way to go, Oxygen. It's a kickass setup.

gp
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Not Informative Enough

As much as I'd like to believe setting up your own neighborhood network is going to be a growing trend, there are quite a few hurdles to overcome.

I really don't think this 'trend' will have much momentum, few people would be inspired to do it until the internet actually has something to offer. The holy grail of broadband has yet to be discovered, some killer application that makes life unbearable without broadband. Whether it's Voice Over IP or Video Over Data Lines, currently there just aren't enough benefits of broadband to motivate this kind of thing. The internet is too scattered.

Best of luck to anyone pursuing a 'build your own ISP' project.

Jekler
scomps

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Re: Not Informative Enough

Killer app? VoIP? good lord. I'm on broadband (Roadrunner in upstate NY) and extremely happy with it. The reasons I'm not considering anything else is mainly because I'm a geek; it's what I do. *HOWEVER* each and every day I thank my lucky stars that I've got broadband merely because it's getting more and more difficult to do anything online because of all the junk and marketting. All this great "compelling content" and "user experience" is sucking down more bandwidth than any of us can imagine. Maybe if we all didn't look for that "killer app" and started looking back to what brought us to the internet in the first place broadband would be better for each and every one of us because our entire neighborhood wouldn't be downloading that stupid bugsplat/wiper blade animation on weather.com or look a a picture of that screwed up X10 camera every 8.2 seconds and my personal favorite the online casinos.

Compelling enough for ya? Killer App? The only killer app needed now is a way to inject an infinitesimal amount of common sense into the businesses that feel they "make up" the internet and therefore will "compel us" to look at their junk.

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sstteer

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If you want to do it yourself check this out

This looks like a really cool solution, a little pricey, but if you had a bunch of people go in on it, its way more robust that your basic wireless networks:

»www.wbs.nokia.com/solution/index.html

Its around $6000 for the head end, and 8 access points.. But again its a mesh technology.. Check it out.

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hivemind1

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Rome, NY

Re: If you want to do it yourself check this out

Actually, we looked into that Nokia Rooftop stuff, and the throughput is terrible, like 500k maximum. You'd be a lot better off going with a Lucent AP, a high gain omni (no, that's not an oxymoron), and some RG-1000's with 18dB panel's for SU's. Check out KarlNet's TurboCell firmware for the AP's and the SU's, it's nice. Your total cost per subscriber, even with the software license from KarlNet, is less than the cost of one Nokia Rooftop SU, with 10 times the throughput.

Dirk Daring

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Ashburn, VA

Re: If you want to do it yourself check this out

Checkout YDI also, their etherant looks very nice and I've heard great things about it. We're thinking on deploying it in our community.

»www.ydi.com/etherant.asp

Dirk

Ted

@attbi.co

SemFio

I've been a wireless operations manager, systems integrator and consultant for years, and I love to see the direction that this thread is taking! The links to Nokia and YDI, etc. not to mention Wi-LAN and several others, point out the state of maturity in the BB wireless arena and also highlight the many advantages that wireless offers vis-a-vis wired technologies.

There are a couple of non-intuitive "gotchas" though, inherent to these technologies, that need to be considered when deploying wireless networks. In broad strokes, these include: propagation limitations; RFI (Radio Frequency Interference); and data security.

These potential problems (for which work-arounds DO exist but which require doing a considerable amount of engineering "homework") are inherent in a wireless universe, ESPECIALLY in that subset that utilizes unlicensed spectrum. While such considerations can be generally ignored in an in-home or small office/campus environment, prospective commercial ISP operations really need to do their due diligence to ensure an acceptable quality of service. A word to the wise . . .

tedhatfield@attbi.com
indigo

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Covina, CA

Something I've always dreamed of doing

but I've never had the money. You need a good $50,000 if not more to get all the equipment and the lines installed. I have a good amount of networking knowledge but I've never worked with cisco routers and whatnot so I probably wouldn't have all the know-how necessary to set it up even if I did have the money. Add to that the fact that most people in my town are more interested in huntin than internet access, and it would just be a waste of money anyway. I've always dreamed of having good, dependable broadband where I can do what I want (run servers) with low latency and ample bandwidth. Unfortunately, where I live, that will never be the case. I used to think if I moved back to where Roadrunner was (a few towns away from here) I would be able to get that kind of access. But now, with Roadrunner deciding to implement bandwidth limits, it's no longer an option. Therefore, I am screwed for the forseeable future. Until I can afford the cost of a T1 line I will never get the broadband I've always wanted.
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