  mags2Agent Provocateur
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SoCal |  Not Surprising At All
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join:2001-04-03
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| YIKES From CNN
"The FBI software not only picked up the e-mails under the electronic surveillance of the FBI's target ... but also picked up e-mails on non-covered targets.
The FBI technical person was apparently so upset that he destroyed all the e-mail take," said an unidentified supervisor in an April 5, 2000, memo to M.E. "Spike" Bowman, the FBI's associate general counsel for national security issues.
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 | | | Re: YIKES So one day over two year ago Carnivore in a single incident intercepted what it was supposed to and something it wasn't. The FBI tech picked up on it right away and notified the boss. The problem was addressed. The improperly obtained email was destroyed.
Boy what a fiasco of a technological and civil rights breakdown. Big Brother and technology run amok! Frankly, I just can't see such a disaster prone scenario justifying a system that might effectively fight crime, terrorism and save lives.
Next thing you know we will find out that people have at times been wrongly arrested by the police and charged with a crime they didn't commit, that there are innocent people in jail and innocent people have been executed--or worse than just executed, had their civil rights violated by being wrongly executed. The wrongly executed part would, of course be the lesser of the two evils.
Two wrongs sure don't make a right but it doesn't make the two wrongs equal either. Perspective. It is all about perspectives--cost versus benefits.
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join:2000-01-22
Fort Wayne, IN | Re: YIKES I think the problem that will arise is that the event, which was described in a memo in March 2000, happened prior to July, 2000 testimony before Congress that 'We do not deploy (Carnivore) in a way that exceeds the court order'. It gets further complicated by an unnamed person from DOJ stating that the emails weren't destroyed. (What'd they do, simply 'undelete', meaning all the uncovered email was also recovered?)
I feel for the agent involved. He panicked, for whatever reason, and probably ends up being a scapegoat in this one. I think the above is where the eyes need to be focused. A procedure in place for 'when' events like that occur with a way to insure uncovered data isn't viewed/retained and fessing up to what happened vs. testimony that things like that would 'never happen' (the old 'never say never' argument) would help the credibility vs. hurting it which this will likely do; and at this time they need all the credibility they can get, unfortunately. | |
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| | | | | Re: YIKES Well see, there you go! Thats incredible! You would have ever believed such a thing possible?
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join:2001-04-07
Fort Worth, TX | hey, pupowski... I've read several of your posts. Do you have a positive outlook on ANYTHING???
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join:2002-03-22
Vancouver, WA
| Re: YIKES said by MowerMan:
hey, pupowski... I've read several of your posts. Do you have a positive outlook on ANYTHING???
Of course I do, but that shouldn't concern you one way or the other, since this is a technology forum, not a personality test.
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Fort Worth, TX | Re: YIKES no concern... just a cynical question stemming from a personal observation.
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join:2000-10-27
Pittsburgh, PA | But they promised! But they promised that they would only peer into the lives of the bad guys. No law enforcement agency would ever over step the bounds it has publicly laid out for itself. I'm sure they feel terrible for having collected improper information and will rigorously enforce proper procedures to make sure this never happens again. I think we can all rest assured that the FBI is only just looking out for our best interests. Happy emailing! | |
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|  DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 | Re: Crazy I think carnivore should be to prosecute spammers, i would have any problems with a project like this to seek out spammers.
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| mr seanProfessional InfidelPremium,ExMod 2001-07
join:2001-04-03
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kudos:1 | Hey....that's it, blame it on the pop under ads.
Carnivore doesn't work due to the X10 camera ads!!
Both technologies are intrusive and faulty!!
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| | | | Re: Crazy Just go to the Carnivore web site. It has the same cookie blocking feature that the X10 site does. You know where you click on the customer service link which takes you to a link which places a special X10 cookie on your computer that blocks all X10 pop up ads for 30 days. Except in this case, no carnivore for 30 days! | |
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| Chicken Little syndrome My God--unbelievable. A mistake was made by a huge technological system, in this case Carnivore. We now know of at least one incident in the millions of "cycles" or incidents where Carnivore was doing what it is lawfully supposed to do, and that in at least one incident Carnivore inadvertently captured e-mail from people who were not under investigation....! It goofed! See it is completely unreliable!
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Next there will be death squads and people disappearing! Remember what Benjamin Franklin said about freedom and security, (I think he said something!), or how it was in Nazi Germany? That is next! All of our political leaders are lying crooked people who care nothing about our security--this Patriot and Carnivore stuff is all solely about evil politicians and government types with their selfish interests and their pact with the devil to strip us of all of our civil rights! (All except Ashcroft--his pact has to be with the Anti-Christ because he is a fundamentalist Christian!) What other possible explanation could there be? There just isn't any other conclusion one can come to in these type of matters! No, wait maybe its really about oil! Yeah, thats it! Oil and the New World Order working with the Tri-Lateral Commission to use Eschelon and Eschelon 2 to bring us under the control of the UN and the European Union.
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|  xdeadhead220, 221, Whatever It Takes.Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA
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| Re: Chicken Little syndrome ben franklin said-
"They that can give up
essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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| | | | Re: Chicken Little syndrome said by xdeadhead:
ben franklin said-
"They that can give up
essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Essential" and "temporary"! Hmm, those two words sort of have an impact on the complete quote, don't they?
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| | | xdeadhead220, 221, Whatever It Takes.Premium
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| Re: Chicken Little syndrome i think that is the complete point of the quote. what gives it even more "oomph" is the word "little." it does not say complete safety, it says a "little temporary safety" which speaks volumes. i can only hope that what actually NEEDS to be done, IS being done. we will never really know for sure. trust the government? not in my lifetime and damn sure not ANY government.
thank you for listening.
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Never mind the stormtroopers kicking in your door. It is for your own good. The reeducation camps will be FUN! | |
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