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| Re: stuck in ways Just as there are those who chose not to drive, watch TV, ETC. There are those who just don't care about the Internet or High speed. I'll bet the number aren't a whole lot different in any of these cases.
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My views are my own.
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| Re: stuck in ways said by BIGMIKE  :Why should we buy toilet paper? ... aren't you going to finish that line??
"... when we can wash our hands when we're done!" lol | |
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join:2001-03-27
Lawrence, KS
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| In other news... 20% of people said that they'll never need a hard drive bigger than 40 megabytes. Look, the people who say this crap only say it because they don't have any foresight. 5 years from now, when they can't even get the most basic page to load on their slow connections, they'll upgrade. Not because they want to, but because they have to. | |
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join:2008-12-15
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| Re: stuck in ways Good point. I can remember people back in the 90's say who proclaimed that they would never need a Gigabyte of memory. I have a 100 Gb on my cheap laptop and am almost full. The internet is getting worse for Dial Up users by the day. Sending digital camera pictures is a nightmare over dial too. | |
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1 edit | Build it and they will come... How about we try a real world test? My parents still can't get broadband in any form. They would be willing to pick up DSL or cable for standard prices. Bring it on out!
As land line infrastructure is neglected and broadband prices decrease...people will move. | |
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Greenwood, SC | Re: Build it and they will come... My parents are in the same boat. They'd happily pay for broadband, but it isn't offered.  | |
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My views are my own.
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| The article clearly stated "19% of dial-up users say nothing would get them to switch." which is purely B.S. - but, in the spirit of the article, it's not about access.. it's about switching, in this case.
Which honestly, I call B.S. on too... unless someone absolutely loves dial-up, like the classic car, they'd eventually "install indoor plumbing" so to speak.
I think a national broadband plan would also include the eventual near elimination of the dial up call centers turning them, essentially, into the dot matrix printer. (they'll be there, but really a specialty purpose) | |
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join:2002-04-05
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| Re: Build it and they will come... said by fiberguy :I think a national broadband plan would also include the eventual near elimination of the dial up call centers turning them, essentially, into the dot matrix printer. (they'll be there, but really a specialty purpose) Won't work. Running a dialup ISP is practically free. You get an ATM, T1, or SONET line from the telco, with multiple extensions/trunk lines (1 or more phone numbers, multiple incoming simultanous calls). Inside the circuit switches frames is your PPP data. Decode that (done with a router or in software), put on backbone, your done.
No ISP has banks of analog dialup modems anymore. You wouldn't have 56K if the ISP used analog modems. The POTS Digitalizer at your CO that terminates your copper loop is the modem effectivly, and its on a really really long serial port line to the ISP. Most of the dialup ISPs cost is email, newsgroups, webhosting, and tech support. | |
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My views are my own.
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| Re: Build it and they will come... what does the cost of providing dial up modem have to do with eliminating it all together to migrate everyone towards broadbandn? If keeping dial up is acceptable, then stop funding the studies on who has and doesn't have broadband.. it's not important. In fact, MUCH of the arguments on BBR should also become worthless as well.
Dial up is dead and needs to be replaced by a national broadband deployment. As I've said in other posts before.. there are certainly providers out there pushing broadband in places where you'd not think they had power and running water. There are no excuses for not getting broadband in to places that they have neglected. | |
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join:2005-01-27
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| Fixed income means fixed income. IF you just need to send email to loved ones, and don't watch senior pr0n, dialup is fine. Heck, it should a be a free option (shut your mouth!). 
But for those on a fixed income (you will be one day), why spend $50/month for being a zombie-bot-victim and told you need the net for TV, news, banking, updates and thinks you can't even understand without bifocals! (I'm ranting but making the point that I hate surveys. They are biased and usually funded by someone that wants something.)
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join:2004-07-28
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| Re: Fixed income means fixed income. said by cableties :IF you just need to send email to loved ones, and don't watch senior pr0n, dialup is fine. Heck, it should a be a free option (shut your mouth!). But for those on a fixed income (you will be one day), why spend $50/month for being a zombie-bot-victim and told you need the net for TV, news, banking, updates and thinks you can't even understand without bifocals! (I'm ranting but making the point that I hate surveys. They are biased and usually funded by someone that wants something.) not anymore. even the front page of THIS site is 350 KB. what's that a full minute to download the front page for soeme on dial-up?
$50? at&t offers 768 kbps DSL for $15 if you have at&t phone service. what's the cheapest dial-up, $10? whoooooo $5 difference for 13X the speed. | |
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join:2005-09-28
00000 | "But for those on a fixed income"
That's such a bull shit term. I am on a "fixed income" as well. My paycheck is the same each week. | |
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My views are my own.
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1 edit | Re: Fixed income means fixed income. said by battleop :"But for those on a fixed income" That's such a bull shit term. I am on a "fixed income" as well. My paycheck is the same each week. I agree with you. I wonder how much better this country would be if the group of people that spend time coming up with these B.S. terms would put real effort towards things that mattered, and made sense.
You're right in what you say, becuase with that, I'm guessing that at LEAST 80% of the country is on a fixed income. I wonder if they just don't like the term "low income" becuase it might "hurt their feelings" or that term would "destroy their inner spirit" or some other touchy feel good thing that really makes no difference. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Greer, SC
| The difference is you have the opportunity to work overtime, get a raise, get a part time job or do other things for money. Those of us on fixed incomes due to disability or age do not have that option so as things go up we have no choice but cut back. I am one of them. Everything has gone up, the check for being a disabled vet has not gone up, I cannot justify internet service costing as much as my utilities.
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join:2003-01-27
Parkville, MD
| Re: Fixed income means fixed income. Sorry poster who's living on a bullshit term, but your argument is completely flawed. While yes, there are some people who are comatose, mentally ill, completely incapacitated, or homeless, many people on a "fixed income," such as yourself, don't have to be "fixed." Why? You're typing on a computer and you can put together coherent, albeit flawed, arguments. This means you have access to the internet in some form and your brain is capable of processing information, which at the very least means you can setup a website and earn some extra cash via Google Adsense.
If you lack the knowledge now, your inability to work a normal job with overtime, raises, or an additional part-time job means you probably have all the time in the world. That gives you plenty of time to gain some new skills (for free!). Worst case scenario you just blog about living on a fixed income. Sure, it's not necessarily easy money until you get something going, but if a fixed income affects your life to the point where it's a concern, and there is no way for you to easily remedy it, there are certainly options available.
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join:2005-09-28
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| "The difference is you have the opportunity to work overtime"
People who can just work overtime are far out numbered by people who can't. It's hard to work over time in jobs that let you work less than 40 hours a week to beat people out of bennifits.
"get a raise"
If you are lucky. A 2-4% cost of living increase is not really a raise.
"get a part time job or do other things for money"
Yea, you never see disabled or older people working anywhere. | |
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Astoria, NY
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| Simply Alot of people do not have any sort of broadband option, that is practical. I feel very bad for rural folk, who's only option is to either buy. 1. Expensive Sat broadband or 2. Capped Mobile Internet that you're lucky to get a signal.
Dialup is fine for alot of users because they've become use to it. I'll bet if DSL/Cable made it's way to their homes, they'll switch in a heartbeat.
My wife's family lives in the boonies in Montana, they have dialup and is fine with it. Because they dont download porn/music/videos/movies. Just email, visit a few sites, and sign off they go.
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join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: Simply said by Pizz :My wife's family lives in the boonies in Montana, they have dialup and is fine with it. Because they don't download porn/music/videos/movies. Just email, visit a few sites, and sign off they go. Is this because they do not want to do more or can not do more since it is impossible/impractical with a dial-up connection? So long as you have a dial-up line, your usage is constrained by what it can do. Saying that you restrict your usage to what the dial-up line can handle does not mean that if you have a higher speed connection, your usage would stay the same. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Simply said by RARPSL :said by Pizz :My wife's family lives in the boonies in Montana, they have dialup and is fine with it. Because they don't download porn/music/videos/movies. Just email, visit a few sites, and sign off they go. Is this because they do not want to do more or can not do more since it is impossible/impractical with a dial-up connection? So long as you have a dial-up line, your usage is constrained by what it can do. Saying that you restrict your usage to what the dial-up line can handle does not mean that if you have a higher speed connection, your usage would stay the same. they say they are fine with dial-up because they don't know what is possible with broadband. when cable Tv first came out most people said they were fine with regular FREE TV. then they got a taste of cable. Now regular FREE Tv is NOT fine. funny how that works. | |
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join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: Simply said by BF69 :said by RARPSL :said by Pizz :My wife's family lives in the boonies in Montana, they have dialup and is fine with it. Because they don't download porn/music/videos/movies. Just email, visit a few sites, and sign off they go. Is this because they do not want to do more or can not do more since it is impossible/impractical with a dial-up connection? So long as you have a dial-up line, your usage is constrained by what it can do. Saying that you restrict your usage to what the dial-up line can handle does not mean that if you have a higher speed connection, your usage would stay the same. they say they are fine with dial-up because they don't know what is possible with broadband. when cable Tv first came out most people said they were fine with regular FREE TV. then they got a taste of cable. Now regular FREE Tv is NOT fine. funny how that works. Which was the point I was making. If you measure what you do by what you CAN do, this distorts the situation. Since you are not able to efficiently download, the fact you do not download is a self fulfilling issue. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Who ever said living in the boonies was cheaper... sometimes things cost more living out in rural America.. and broadband certainly is one of those issues.
I can't believe I'm going to say this, BUT, if there is ANY subsidies to be paid towards rural broadband it would be to rural specific satellite service that is only available to addresses that are just too far and too hard to reach with traditional land lines. (Hell, even some of those ares barely have telephone service.)
But, my argument is and always has been, and will be, that society has chosen to build city centers for populations. If someone seeks to move out of that area, usually, to "get away from the city" then they've made their bed.. time to lay in it too. I certainly am not one willing to pay a tax or extra fee on my services in order to fund someone's right to "get away from me"...
I find a very small exception to this rule which is the farmer.. we need farmers and farmers generally live outside of the city center population for a good reason.. while some people chose to live in rural areas as a choice.. certainly, too, living in rural areas is not always cheaper than living in the city so that excuse isn't valid. (Many rural areas are more expensive in groceries, goods, services, utilities, etc. becuase it's harder to server them.)
So honestly.. dial up is fine for them. Not a dime to subsidize their preferred lifestyle choice. But, it's going to happen,.. bailouts ALWAYS happen so at least I hope it's done smart.. | |
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join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: 10% said by tschmidt :Whether or not you have dial up is irrelevant. What is important for broadband roll out is how many people want it. Report shows about 10% of American adults have no interest in Internet access. According to my calculator that means 90% are interested. It is unclear what percentage of those adults have children but I have to assume some do. That will probably reduce number of households not interested in broadband. /tom The summery at the top says 33% not 10% so this is a significant number who need to be eliminated before you look at the other numbers (since they should not be counted when you only look at those who DO use the Internet). The survey is supposed to look at those who might go with BB instead of Dial-Up. If you do not use the Internet, you are NOT part of this group and should not be counted. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: 10% said by RARPSL :The summery at the top says 33% not 10% so this is a significant number who need to be eliminated before you look at the other numbers (since they should not be counted when you only look at those who DO use the Internet). Um it says 33% of those without internet not 33% of all people. HUGE differnce espeically since only 8.3% of adult do not have internet so the REAL total is 2.8% so in other words 97.2% of people are interested in having internet.
Most of the 33% cited in the article are old people that will be dead within 10 years anyways. So who fucking cares what soon to be dead people want?
As th reports say 8.3% of adult do not use the internet. Go back 5 years and that number was double that. So as the years go on more and more peole will be getting online.
Also the article states that 19% of dial-up users don't want broadband. Then logically that means 81% DO. 81 > 19 | |
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join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
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| Re: 10% said by BF69 :Most of the 33% cited in the article are old people that will be dead within 10 years anyways. So who fucking cares what soon to be dead people want? That's not only a harsh statement, it's offensive on a number of levels as well.
[a lot of rant was trimmed out of this post because it would get modded out, plus any intelligent response would be lost on the likes of you anyway]
[further intelligent response was deleted as I considered it a waste of time]
[avoiding idiotic fallacy is not impossible, backspace and delete keys work just fine]
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: 10% said by birdfeedr :said by BF69 :Most of the 33% cited in the article are old people that will be dead within 10 years anyways. So who fucking cares what soon to be dead people want? That's not only a harsh statement, it's offensive on a number of levels as well. [a lot of rant was trimmed out of this post because it would get modded out, plus any intelligent response would be lost on the likes of you anyway] [further intelligent response was deleted as I considered it a waste of time] [avoiding idiotic fallacy is not impossible, backspace and delete keys work just fine] [final riposte was deleted because I didn't want to stoop to your level] whatever dude I wasn't being harsh I was being REAL. Ok take someone who is 80. Well it probaly would take 10 years to make broadband available to eveyone. Guess what by all statistics 99% of all 80 year olds will be dead in 10 years. So yes it doesn't matter what their opinion on the topic is they have no dog in this fight. | |
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MPScan
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join:2001-08-24
Boston, MA
| Cost? On another note, these people are the ones still paying $85.00 per month for POTS service. Pretty soon, they'll fall into the category of the 9,000 people in the conutry that still rent phones from the telephone companies. 
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| Re: Cost? Some of these people on POTS may have 'basic' POTS (i.e. lifeline / senior discount ) and no long distance (use prepaid dialing cards when needed).
$85.00/month for POTS service is crazy - I had unlimited POTS with features AND Canada calling. Even after taxes/fees, I was hitting the $58/month limit.
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join:2001-06-02
Edwards, CO | 10% AOL users Those 10% are probably the AOL users who enjoy riding the "short bus" of technology. | |
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swallx
@eerprogramming.com | Id get it in a heartbeat I pay 80 bucks a month for Sat internet, I would switch to cable or DSL in a heart beat. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Id get it in a heartbeat said by swallx :
I pay 80 bucks a month for Sat internet, I would switch to cable or DSL in a heart beat.
if you go by what all the idiots are saying people like you either
A) don't exist. everyone in the bonies is prefectly ok with dial-up
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B) don't deseve broadband because you are a hillbilly and if you want non 3rd world internet you should move to the big city. | |
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Pronto Resurrected
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join:2004-01-11
Oroville, CA
| Re: Id get it in a heartbeat said by BF69 :said by swallx :
I pay 80 bucks a month for Sat internet, I would switch to cable or DSL in a heart beat.
if you go by what all the idiots are saying people like you either A) don't exist. everyone in the bonies is prefectly ok with dial-up or B) don't deseve broadband because you are a hillbilly and if you want non 3rd world internet you should move to the big city. I was paying $130/mo for ISDN until DSL became available here a couple of years ago. People like us DO exist.
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Saint Paul, MN | CONNECT 9600 They're addicted to the screaching sound of the modem. | |
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yes it is, no I don't share
join:2008-04-19
Los Angeles, CA
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| The providers play games ppl don't wanna play: Yesterday I was helping sum1 with dial-up. They informed me they could not get the att $14.99 special. I jumped on the dsl went to the site and found when you click on the "14.99" link it ultimately takes you to two plan offerings, neither of which is the 14.99 one. Standard was $20, preferred was $30.
HEY ATT, YOU KEEP SCREWING UP AND NO ONE WILL BE SORRY TO SEE YOU FALL!
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bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Broadband might end up cheaper. I have not had dial up since Covad DSL came here in the mid 90's. Then I paid monthly $125 for 2 phone lines and whatever it was $30 or so for DSL. Total $155.
Now I pay monthly $45 for FIOS plus $30 each for 2 VIOP lines. Total $105.
Not to mention Covad DSL was 300 something K I think and now I have 2meg /10 meg.
If you hop on the internet for 10 minutes to get email it might be worth it to have dial up for $15 a month. | |
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Mary Esther, FL | Re: Broadband might end up cheaper. your privileged that's why. | |
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lightning10
join:2008-09-03
Whittier, CA
| My Parents I still live at home and I am 21 my sister is 17 and she is going to go to college and dorm. As soon as she leaves to college my parents want to get rid of the DSL and go back to dial up. They bitch and say that they can get Internet at a cheaper price and since day 1 they complain that the DSL isn't as fast as they thought it was going to be.
I would pay for the DSL myself but I live in a Verizon area and don't want to pay for the phone line as well. | |
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join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: My Parents My previous employer had hundreds of sales people all over the USA and we all got laptops with the wireless disabled and they insisted we only used wired networking or dial up to connect to their VPN.
The poor reps in the boonies that could not get DSL or broadband had to use dial up provided free to the company through ATT.
We used a lot of proprietary software and they had updates almost every day. the people on dial up used to have to download these updates at night because they were usually between 3 and 20 megs and took hours to download. | |
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join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA | LOL? There's no need huh?
What about the fact that naked dsl/cable+voip = cheaper then pots by itself?
And with this type of reasoning, it's easy to understand why we are in a recession. | |
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Port Colborne, ON | Maybe they'll settle for baseband. Maybe they'll settle for baseband. | |
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2 guys try to argue intelligently and they tried a little too hard. And then others just go off topic and insult. lol Its amazing. It is true some people just do not use the internet for more than email or maybe looking up a little news. And these same people may have had broadband before and switched back because they don't feel they need to pay allot for checking emails. I can fully understand the logic in that.I myself use dsl because I use the internet for a number of things and I am usually pressed for time. (that and I'm very impatient. | |
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| If it was available IF it was available I would switch to broadband. Wireless cards out here don't count, well it did count until Verizon bought out Alltel. AT&T put up DSL but just skipped this spot so 8 miles on each side there is DSL but I'm stuck in the middle along with about 50-100 others. I know I'm not the only one in this issue but come on... we are in the 21st century. Computers are upgraded way faster than the cables that connect them. Eventually it will be pointless to upgrade because the data connections won't be able to keep up at all. | |
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join:2008-12-01
Santa Maria, CA | Fixed Income Your only on a fixed income if you come up short on food money. | |
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join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA
| Re: Fixed Income said by perki :Your only on a fixed income if you come up short on food money. Wow, that's a pathetic statement. Tell that to an eldery person living off of Social Security, and maybe pension if they're lucky.
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Santa Maria, CA | Re: Fixed Income By the way it's the internet not a office. | |
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ctceo
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South Bend, IN
clubs: | Inevitable These people will likely complain and then switch when they no longer have 56k to use, or it no longer loads even their simplest of text pages efficiently. | |
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