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 Davros866
join:2001-07-23
Houston, TX | Screw RIAA Even if you don't share files, don't buy any CD's ever again!!! | |
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belushi
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| Re: Screw RIAA What about tapes? Can I buy those? Or how about DVDs and records. Can I please buy those...please?
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KrK
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| | | cracklingice
join:2002-01-21
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| If it involves money of any kind that is not going to a friend for risking his ISP for d/ling it a burning it for you DON'T DO IT. The RIAA MUST be put out of business. Sorry artists. We love you still. Be your own boss. Your music is good enough that you don't need those PIGS to sell it for you and take your profits. START A WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN ORDER YOUR LATEST CD. It is the information age and prime time to go into entrapenuerhip(?). | |
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| Dang, I didn't see your post - I was out at the music store buying Willie Nelson and Bob Schneider CDs, and looking for anything that I don't own by BareNaked Ladies.
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| | z3n0m
join:2000-10-07
Sacramento, CA
| I don't find it hard to not buy overpriced CDs. And I think that is why filetrading is so rampant. Oh, another reason is, YOU CANT BUY MP3'S LEGALLY(yes i know there are a few services cropping up, buy they suck). 'ooooh, mp3s bad, they can be copied' yeah, but so can any other digital format, except for that DRM crap that noone in their right mind is going to use.
The image of the RIAA gets worse and worse every day. Wow, almost like M$. It's only a matter of time before these evil empires come crashing down. It's sad to see corporations that are so greedy, caring more about the profit margin rather than customer satisfaction/trust or quality products.
Bottom line, give the customers what they want. A flat rate subscription service where you can download MP3's and do whatever you want with them(meaning use them in anything you want, not share them). Maybe if something like this was widely available people wouldnt be so inclined to 'steal' music. | |
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aw3dhg
join:2001-09-05
Middletown, NY | quote:
Apparently, customer alienation is a price the RIAA is willing to pay.
AAAAHHHHH HAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA think that boat sailed years ago | |
| | fuzydice
join:2000-12-18
Sunnyvale, CA | I just want to say that if anyone thinks what the RIAA has been doing is right, then they are a communist, period. And you know what real americans due to communists right? Yeah, its a horrible sight | |
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krinkle442
Love, Hate, Love
join:2001-11-19
Portsmouth, OH
| What aboot USED CDs? I mean, someone's already paid the record execs for them, once... The bands won't see a dime of royalties from it (so Metallica can shut their penny-whining pieholes) and you can get them for around half the price of a new CD? Almost every big CD store I shop at carries used CDs... okay, so the selections isn't nearly as good, but... | |
| | | Davros866
join:2001-07-23
Houston, TX | Re: Screw RIAA Used CD's sell for what I think new CD's are worth.
Get them while you can b/c RIAA wants to get a cut from those too. | |
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Net192
join:2001-03-26
Renton, WA | said by krinkle442:
What aboot USED CDs
Did you know there was a time the industry was going after royalties on used CDs?!! Sort of a double-taxation. I dont know if that's still being pursued. | |
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MAD MUIS
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| SCREW them. I hate greedy a$$ companies. I'm sorry MR. CEO if you cannot buy that LExus you wanted or that house on the hill with 8 bedrooms. Musicians are so greedy. No one gave a damn when we pay $18 for a CD and the musician gets $1 for every CD sold. Musicians make the REAL money off videos, shows and tours. Bottomline.
NOW. CEO's put that in you RIAA and download this @!$% ya!!!!!! | |
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audiomax
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| havent bought a music cd in years, and have no plans on it anytime soon ! 
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| jmargel
join:2001-03-07
Northumberland, PA | I agree... The RIAA sucks moose balls... | |
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El Cajon, CA |  Re: I agree...
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BrianDamage
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| Record company posse It looks like the RIAA doesn't just want the Kazaa folks, but all of the folks using their networks too.
Seems like a similar tactic was used to scare Napster users into deleting their files after that firestorm started.
I wouldn't be immediately duped by it.
It's a scare tactic, like before.
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clubs: | Re: Record company posse I said the same thing in another post. | |
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| Re: Record company posse This is the very reason why the RIAA sought protection inclusions in the Patriot Act.
Along the same lines as "unfettered government investigation", they would be able to piggyback on the government to intrude in areas where private companies had never been able to before.
The consequences are truly frightening.
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krinkle442
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| said by TxRoadDawg:
...when was the LAST album any artist released that had even half the tracks worth listening to instead of the customary one hit and 11 fillers we get today...
Well... Let's see... TooL's "Lateralus," the soundtrack from the movie "Magnolia" (by Aimee Mann), Systematic, nonpoint, David Bowie's "Heathen," deftones, the FIFTEEN CD Thelonius Monk "Complete Riverside Recordings," The Cult's "Beyond Good and Evil..." There's TONS of CDs out there that are awesome, start to finish... It's just the fact that you have to pay 18 bucks for 'em is where the problem is... When my older brother got his first CD player in, like, '82 or '83, vinyl was, like, $6.99 and a CD was about $12.99... The record companies all said "Hey, we know it's expensive... Just let the technology take off, and the prices will drop..." ummm... yeah, okay... consider the technology "taken off," now... If my memory serves me correctly, here within the past couple years, the FTC found some record companies guilty of price fixing and ordered them to rectify the situation, yet I'm still paying 18 bucks for CDs... So... in my humble opinion (as a musician of more than 20 years who is in danger of never seeing a dime from some of his music thanks to "piracy"), it's not the quality of content of CDs that is making people steal other people's "intellectual property," it's greedy record exec bastards that wanna pay for the dozen naked Phillipino boys out back buffing their Maseratis with cloth diapers... | |
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| Re: *Sigh* Because, for one, I would imagine that many of these "supernodes" contain music that is not otherwise copyrighted, as well as other types of media works.
Again, the RIAA is trying to exert control over things which they have no legal domain, as well as that they believe they have domain over.
As a sidenote, it is groups like the RIAA and the various record companies that are responsible for the crap called "popular music" these days, which makes it difficult to find good new music, because it is surrounded by mountain of garbage.
Record companies are the only reason "artists" like Britney Spears are still singing and not shining shoes at the airport for a living.
There's no accounting for taste in corporate marketing.
You take a teenage girl, shove her into some britches are 5 sizes too small, put a push up bra on her, and get her a choreographer, and you can bet that 5,000,000 teenagers are going to buy her garbage at $20 each.
Jessica Simpson, Christina Augilera, Lil' Kim, etc.etc.etc.
In the meantime, artists with more talent and less T&A get kicked to the curb.
These artists rely on P2P to get their music heard.
I know. I have been one of them.
Not trying to humble myself, but Justin Timberlake ain't talented enough to even tie my shoes.
Now then, many of others recognize these points I'm making. They too are disgusted by the state of the industry.
As such, they don't buy the music.
When an act puts out a CD, they probably have one good tune on it and the rest is crap, and the public recognizes this fact. Why would one then go out and buy that CD for $20 when nothing else good exists on it? They don't. They find good stuff on the web, then download them, and make their own collections.
Until the record company realizes that quality and originality is what's going to make people buy records, and find ways to embrace P2P technology instead of alienating it, then I see this trend continuing.
To many people, perky tits and round asses are not all that's required to legitimize a CD investment.
Sure, it makes a great CD cover, but that's all.
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join:2001-03-31
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clubs: | I also am a mute video watcher. I find that those country stations are great for mute viewing. | |
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BrianDamage
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clubs: | Re: *Sigh* Same tactics, different genre of music.
Sex sells. | |
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Pirate515
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| said by pnh102:
T&A in music isn't such a bad thing I just watch the videos on "mute" hehe.
Q: What's the difference between Britney Spears music videos and porn movies?
A: Porn movies sometimes have good music.
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| quote:
Jessica Simpson
Oddly enough, Jessica Simpson wanted to do contemporary Christian and Gospel music when she was 15 or 16. But she was told she was too pretty/sexy for that genre and was encouraged to do "pop" instead.
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Lil' Kim
Lil' Kim in a push-up bra? LOL I can't remember the last time I saw her even wearing a bra. She's the one who appears at the Grammys wearing pasties and a smile.
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BrianDamage
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| Re: *Sigh* OKay, Lil' Kim has plastic boobs that don't need a push, but the point I made is still just as valid.
Mandy Moore was a "Christian" artist at first, too.
So was Amy Grant.
Granted, Miss Grant (Gill) didn't take the same T&A route of the others, but renounced Christian music all the same for "pop" glory.
Just more examples to demonstrate my point.
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krinkle442
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| Re: *Sigh* said by BrianDamage:
...Granted, Miss Grant (Gill) didn't take the same T&A route of the others, but renounced Christian music all the same for "pop" glory.
I would hope that anyone with the ability to shine in "pop's glory" would jump the "Christian music" ship, too... You hear Christian rock bands complain all the time of being pidgeonholed and limited by labelling themselves "Christian," yet they do (because in most instances, mainstream radio wouldn't give them a square of toilet paper to wipe their butts with because they are no-talent hacks - I know, I know - there are no-talent hacks in every facet of music), because they've gotta get heard somehow... Whether you're "proud to be Christian" or whatever, why limit yourself? | |
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| said by BrianDamage:
Granted, Miss Grant (Gill) didn't take the same T&A route of the others, but renounced Christian music all the same for "pop" glory.
Amy Grant didn't just renounce Christian music, she was caught cheating on her husband/manager with Vince Gill.
When she starts creeping around on Gill, he will have no room to complain. | |
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| Re: *Sigh* Well, who she sleeps with is not my business.
My point was that "popular" music has been embraced by many looking to make a buck, even if it meant eschewing what they claimed to be "committed" to, in this case, making a "joyful noise unto the Lord."
If there is a God, though, I'm sure his ears bleed every time he hears Britney Spears or Eminem.
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| | amoiseyev
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| said by Nightfall:
Why does the RIAA suck "moose balls" in this instance? Why does this action warrant not buying cds?
Because RIAA is a monopoly. Worst case of monopoly, because it has exclusive rights granted by law. And it's obvious that RIAA uses this monopoly to be overprofitable.
Since anti-trust law doesn't seem to be ever used against RIAA, boycott is the only way to make these people realize that the money they want for the music - is the only one side of the medal. The other side - what people are ready to pay for this music.
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| fuzydice
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| what an idiot!!! If the people could find Britney Spears on a cd with 4x the content at half the price, they'd go there and buy it. Did you know that there is no such source? There happens to be an alternative, and its called "Kazaa" and other p2p's. So what your saying is, "I dont like milk, i prefer water, but because the grocery store i go to forces me to buy milk, i will buy it always and forever instead of getting water from the tap"?
-fuzy | |
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| Re: *Sigh* said by fuzydice:
what an idiot!!! If the people could find Britney Spears on a cd with 4x the content at half the price, they'd go there and buy it. Did you know that there is no such source? There happens to be an alternative, and its called "Kazaa" and other p2p's. So what your saying is, "I dont like milk, i prefer water, but because the grocery store i go to forces me to buy milk, i will buy it always and forever instead of getting water from the tap"?
-fuzy
So what you are advocating is better? Stealing what music you want without paying for it? Obviously, the music cds with 4x the content don't exist. If they did, sales would be very high. Look at DVDs for instance. Four times the content for a little higher price. Obviously, you are saying...since the quality of cds aren't there, it is ok to steal what you want without paying for it.
That is like saying, "I will only buy Beef Tenderloin. I won't buy ground chuck. I like ground chuck enough to steal it and eat it therefore it is ok because it isn't Beef Tenderloin."
Sorry, I don't like the RIAA anymore than you do. However, anyone saying that stealing music over P2P file sharing apps is ok needs to have their head examined. It is unlawful, plain and simple.
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spenster
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| Re: *Sigh* quote:
However, anyone saying that stealing music over P2P file sharing apps is ok needs to have their head examined. It is unlawful, plain and simple.
Depending on what you're sharing. Everyone knows that there is more on these networks than just copywrited music. There are files out there that were freely distributed from websites by the artists that have no such copywrites on their music. By having the RIAA go after these individuals for having a large collection and filing charges against them isn't any more legal than those who are indeed sharing copywrited files. Now that the RIAA is putting decoy files out there, several of these users may end up with a large collection of these decoy files and other files that the RIAA has no rights to but charges could still be filed.
Look, I'm not trying to say that I think it's right to share files illegally, but I think that the RIAA is overstepping the bounds. They already make money from the sales of music CDRs. The friggin things are blank for God's sake! Yeah, maybe statistically, the majority are used for copying music cds that were purchased. Maybe some of those are being made to give out to friends. But many of them are used to make a "favorites" kind of cd by people who own the original disks so that they can have all of their favorite music with them without having to carry around a huge stack of disks.
A line has to be drawn and I think it's here. Not to mention that the laws of probability are against them the more they keep pushing. Most people, when pushed, will push back. The more the RIAA keeps pushing, the more the traders will push back. Legality will soon have nothing to do with it anymore. They just need to face it. They are out manned. Even if they have a legal edge. They would do much better trying to come to an agreement with users out there than trying to put them in jail or other legal tactics. | |
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join:2000-12-18
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| Hello fool! Im outraged by a company, so what do I do? Continue to pay them to outrage me more, take away more of my rights, etc etc? WRONG! Thats the last thing any american should do, and by advocating in favor or the riaa it makes u some kind of communist! COMMIE! | |
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spenster
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| Re: *Sigh* quote:
As if that is the right thing to do. Does two wrongs make a right?
EXACTLY!!!!
Is what the RIAA doing right? They bring legal battles to the table against groups and individuals under the cover of "protecting the interests of the artists". Where are the artists saying that they're upset? The majority I've heard from on this matter are not against file swapping. Well, there is Metallica. But there have been several others that are in favor of it. Meanwhile, the RIAA rapes customers from the sales of music that they had no artistic part of and the artists have very little to show for it. Being guitarist and having recorded quite a collection of tracks myself I can speak for a number of other musicians out there. Yeah, there is a monetary value to playing music, but it's more about the music itself. Musicians enjoy making music. They have to to be doing it for the little money they're making from it relatively speaking. | |
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| The RIAA should try to shut down the Internet. They could probably do it, they have enough money and power. I think it would be pretty funny. They could claim it's only used for stealing, and getting around copyright laws, and therefore could be considered unlawful under the DMCA. Then once they've killed it off, they could release timed CD's, that only play music for a certain amount of time, or will only let you listen to a CD 10 times through before it expires. Then they could make you buy a new one. OR! They could make you pay a licence fee to own a CD. You pay $5 per month for ownership of rights to play the CD.
What else could they do? They could put a music tax on everyone to collect extra lost profits from the people who refuse to buy CD's. Man, there are just so many good ideas for the RIAA to implement! Soon they'll rule us like Gods, and we will pray to them and beg for their distribution of our life giving pop music through human sacrifice.
Hooray!
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| Just keep goin', RIAA Each time these music industry idiots pulls another paranoid attack scheme out of their legal arsenal, they alienate another bunch of customers. Why don't they get it?
There's a simple, easy way to take care of file trading: offer your product at a reasonable price. There is no place for a $18 CD in today's market. Why does the music industry think they're immune to the market forces that EVERY OTHER BUSINESS has to abide by?
When HP created the first electronic calculator, it sold for hundreds of dollars. Now you can get one for a buck fifty. Times change. Technology changes. You can burn a CD for a quarter. Why in the world should we be paying $18 for a bunch of songs, most we don't even like?
The RIAA keeps dribbling about how CDs are a "great product" and a "great value". Marketing tripe if I ever heard it. I haven't bought a CD since 1999. And I dont download MP3s that much either.. Nevermind the fact that most music coming out on major labels is complete and utter crap these days, it's just not worth the money.
How come movie companies can produce a movie and sell it on a DVD for $19, yet the soundtrack for the same movie costs $18? Where's the "value" in that, Ms. Rosen?
Just like every other company that has been scamming the public, the lies of the music companies have come back to haunt them. They're upset because they can no longer suck in billions of dollars for doing little to no work in the market producing overpriced CDs.
Sell individual songs that you can download AND BURN for $0.25-$1.00, and you'll solve your piracy problem right there.
However, the record companies aren't doing that -- because they know nobody'd pay for the crap filler that litters every CD, and that they wouldn't be able to pad the price for "production, manufacturing, and distribution."
It's interesting watching an industry fight as it slowly dies. It's even better since the record industry is a bunch of spoiled brats.
Did IBM start touting the "value" of typewriters when personal computers came to be? No; they repositioned and got on the right track for the future. Too bad the people running the record industry are too primitively stupid to do the same.
I'll never buy a CD again. (But I buy plenty of DVDs. We'll see how long that stays reasonable.) I used to be kinda annoyed at the kids who actually snicker at downloading simply because they're subverting the record companies - because before, that wasn't the point..
Now, screw 'em. If they're going to start suing their customers, let them rot. | |
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cbs228
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|  When will they stop?
I for one am tired of all this BS, they can't possibly hope to stop P2P trading no matter what kind of security they put on CDs to permanently crash computers, and no matter how many people they target its still going to be there.
If they continue with this course of action I have no doubt that THEY will be the ones who dramatically decrease sales, and then they'll try and blame it on us!
So long as the greater portion of society rolls over and plays dead, the RIAA can get its way.
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| CatholicJedi
join:2001-09-28
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| Take a hint from Gandhi I've been watching the movie Gandhi of late, and I find quite a parallel with this situation and Gandhi's mission in India. No matter what Britain tried to do to stop Gandhi and his people, they never succeeded. Eventually, they finally gave up. Their original arrogance and belief that they were unstoppable is quite like the RIAA's. Eventually, the RIAA will realize that they cannot win, and that if they continue their tactics, the only people they will stop are themselves.
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| | | mitska
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| bah It seems every time I think they have reached the summit...or cannot possibly surprise me...the RIAA mafia say or do something so impossibly STUPID I wonder how they can have the inherent ability to even breathe or excrete waste matter......oops I forgot, if they are speaking they are doing both at once. On a more serious note I am in the music business...and everything in this business revolves around the following:
1. who do you know
2. who is backing you
3. what is public opinion of you
Without all of these three things being solid...you are done for without a doubt. there is my 2 cents and I don't want change thanks...:) | |
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stet
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| What Customers? said by main page:
Apparently, customer alienation is a price the RIAA is willing to pay.
The people running these "supernodes" and those who are running these high volume sites aren't customers to begin with. They're not buying anything. They are just stealing it all and giving it all away for free.
I have no problem with the RIAA going after them any more then I'd have a problem with the SPA going after someone publicly running a pirated software service.
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vknight775
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| Re: IF ONLY said by skyjock41:
Kazaa will probably die and a new service will show up.
How very true. When Napster was getting pounded by the RIAA, a whole slew of new alternatives popped up to take its place. The p2p software are like cockroaches, if you kill them one at a time, you tend to neglect the fact that there are more just ready to take its place.
I don't think that the record industry will be able to sell a whole lot of mp3s, even if they charge just a quarter a song. I sure as hell won't buy those when I could just use Kazaa and download the songs for free. But if the cds were a bit cheaper ($8-10 each) and came with extras like the way DVDs do, that is something I would buy. The music would sound way better than an mp3 and you would now have extras that would present "value" to the customer. I laugh when the record industry defends their pricing of cds due to "perceived value" even though it costs them less to manufacture a cd versus a tape. | |
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p2p4ever
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| Relax, everyone... ...this new tactic is not going to jeopardize music sharing. The RIAA simply does not have the resources to fight the P2P community on every front. RIAA is trying to make an example of someone, which will most likely galvanize MORE opposition against it.
For the record industry, this is like fighting the Hydra from Greek mythology. Shut down one supernode, and two others pop up in its place.
P2P is a worldwide phenomenon. The costs of international litigation are very high. So how does the record industry plan on shutting down the supernodes in China, Russia, etc.?
This effort, like all others before, is destined to fail. Miserably. | |
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| Re: Relax, everyone... said by p2p4ever:
RIAA is trying to make an example of someone, which will most likely galvanize MORE opposition against it.
It's amazing how they never learn from their mistakes, isn't it? A couple years ago, you ask some average joe who the RIAA is, they wouldn't even know - but would maybe think it was some benevolent association..
Now, tons of people you run into know who the RIAA is, and they're quite irate about their tactics.
The RIAA won't learn from this one either, and when they get 50,000 new enemies from this one, they'll just say "Why are music sales down??"
And their only response will be "Arrest some more file traders, and put out another boy band!"
Not until the Jack Valentis and Hilary Rosens of this world retire and are replaced by new blood who realize it isn't 1950 anymore will anything positive happen in the entertainment industry.
They might just have to face the fact that nowadays their business may be only worth a few billion - since they can't fleece people on the price of CDs anymore.
They'll either have to offer more (SACDs, DVD Audio, extras on each), lower prices (to the $10 range), or offer music for a reasonable price that you can download and burn online.
Otherwise, there'll be nothing left. We just need to see when they'll realize that. | |
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Middletown, NY | No kidding ! quote:
Apparently, customer alienation is a price the RIAA is willing to pay.
Mwaaaaa haaaa haaaaa That boat sailed years ago !! | |
| Mandr4ke
join:2002-05-31
Chicago, IL
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alex4life
Alex4life
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join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC
| The RIAA are gods! We should just surrender all our money to them now! Quick! Empty your wallets and bank accounts! Sacrifice your first born! They deserve the world for producing the wonderful music that we NEED to LIVE!
Take me! I will be your slave RIAA! YOU ARE MY GOD!
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| | Hougy
join:2001-06-05
Acworth, GA
| Re: The RIAA are gods! Let me get this straight. If we buy their stuff, they stay in business. But if we don't, they go out of business.
Looks like we have the upperhand, of course being the consumer. Which is what they are overseeing the big picture. Lower the price of CD's to like $8-$12, or add more stuff on them. CD's are cheaper to make than tapes anyway's. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Talent RIAA should look into finding some talent thats even worth protecting instead of spending all this money on piracy. I very seldomly use peer to peer swapping services but i never look for anything newer than in the 1970's. the new stuff today is nothing but noise and definately not worth $17.99 IMHO. | |
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hate_theives
@63.147.x.x
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ben_kx439 
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| Customer alienation or Thief alienation? Can someone tell me why anyone would be worried about alienating people who STEAL from you ?? These aren't customers, they are low life scum who take other people's work for free.
Who cares if they don't like getting busted? You aren't alienating "customers" -- customers are people who are HONEST and who PAY the price you are asking for your product. You won't go wrong tracking down and prosecuting these thieves. GO RIAA !!! | |
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Spike401
Fox Powered
join:2002-04-27
Labrador | Re: Customer alienation or Thief alienation? hahaha were the ones that steal? better take a look at who the real thieves are that rob the arists blind..... and they aint in this forum posting!  | |
| | Anon | A Little Knowledge is a Dangerous thing! Isn't it truly amazing how people brand file-sharers as thieves and pirates. Yet, the record companies own artists want to sue them for unfair practices. If they are being sued by those that work for them, what do you think they think of actual customers, and unlike some of the mindless dribble some have chosen to spit...most people are both customers and file sharers. I share every CD I BUY...yes i do buy CDs. Am I purturbed that a CD with 9 songs, costs the same amount as a CD with 17 songs (I wont even get into the quality of each CD), of course.
People hate change, the music industry is an antiquated one at best. unlike someones previous post that if songs cost a quarter that they wouldnt buy it. Personally, I am always more than happy to support fellow artists I would probably even pay from 1 to 2 bucks per song as long as it was a .wav or .aiff probably less for an mp3.
Also, what are our options when we do want the older stuff, you know the stuff the industry has deemed unimportant, that is until it is file-shared.
While file sharings focus seems to be copyrighted material (anyone remember how the RIAA had a heart attack when Napster asked the judge to PROVE they owned the copyrights to everything they had implied)
For the money that someone does not spend with the industry on an actual purchase that money is deflected because they do spend it somewhere else, be it larger hard drives to hold their collections, the cdrs used to burn, faster cdrws for ripping and burning.
I would suggest holding off on the insults about "nothing better than thieves", I could get into a very large political battle with those words, you know about all our past presidents and definitely current one, congressman, govenors...there is an endless list...and to mimick someone elses post remember the next time you run a red light or dont come to a complete stop at a stop sign I suggest you head to your police station and pay the fines, because you are stealing from your city that depends on fines from traffic tickets, maybe if you did your property taxes would go down...however, i feel that you wont see the connection, because you are such an outstanding citizen with morals above all of us mere knaves.
oh and another thing, while i dont agree with Goal, I highly doubt that hes a communist, lol, and at least he is willing to listen, unlike most on BOTH sides of the argument. I think we can all agree, however, that the RIAA is fighting a losing battle, which in turn will make prices go higher. But they are only one group to be concerned about. Make sure you follow the digital TV group closely.
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| | mikenoyce
join:2001-07-30
Kissimmee, FL
| Re: A Little Knowledge is a Dangerous thing! My question is this: If, back in the 80's, I bought an album, say Bon Jovi, and lost it over the years, is it still considered "piracy" or "stealing" to go and download the music I had once paid for to replace my lost copy? Does fair use have a statute of limitations?
Talk amongst yourselves... | |
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gogeta6
join:2002-06-20
San Diego, CA
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| monopoly Why aren't there succesful anit-trust cases again those 5 co.'s? Doesn't it seem to anyone like they have the market cornered. And it is a market whose entrance capital requirements are not anywhere near the realm of power companies. CD's did used to cost more to make, and does anyone remember the record companies saying that as they became more effecient at manufacturing them, the price of cds would drop.
If it comes down to it there are always ftp programs, hell it built into ie. Maybe we'll just all have to get good at ip masking. But probably not, it will be interesting to see what kind of warrants and penalties are doled out. Million dollar lawsuits against nodes should get them real far. | |
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Phil
Rojo Sol
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Camarillo, CA
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| Re: A Little Knowledge is a Dangerous thing! IMHO to download a album you had already obtained, whether lost or stolen, would certainly be considered theft. Just as irresponsibly misplacing the CD or it being stolen is a burden that the consumer carries.
If I purchased a car and it was stolen would the dealership give me another one? Of course not. It's the same premise with a music CD. If you really want to protect you CD investment than get insurance on it...I'm sure there's a policy out there for you.
In addition to this I do find it quite viable that in the future you could purchase a album digitally online and have that replaced if lost or stolen. You would have some type of permanent record with retailer so they would know if you had indeed purchased the missing album in question.
Take care,
LPP | |
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join:2001-12-04
Brooklyn, NY | Re: A Little Knowledge is a Dangerous thing! Loph, if the music industry has its way, you'll pay every time you look at the CD cover. | |
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Phil
Rojo Sol
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| Re: A Little Knowledge is a Dangerous thing! Than I won't be looking at any CD covers. The way to drive down prices of CD's is to boycott them. If enough people make a stand and don't buy ANY albums than a couple things will happen.
1. The record companies will have to lower there prices on albums sold to draw in new customers.
2. If they don't lower prices on CD's they will go out of business allowing for new companies to emerge who WILL offer CD's at a more reasonable price.
LPP Out | |
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Phil
Rojo Sol
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| Music has declined...teens are the newest tartgets Would it be safe to say that the record companies are primarily targeting the 8-13 year old age group when it comes to bringing in new artists. I mean you go to any of these pop artists concerts and it's all little kids, exactly what these music companies are aiming for. It's basically instant gratification for the record labels. Make some big bucks, move on to the next thing. I believe that less time and energy is being invested in producing long term, quality artists who target all groups.
I personally bought a Dixie Chicks CD for my girlfriend a year ago, but beyond that I will not buy a CD for $18.00. It is so true that, stated by others here, there is only one good sound on any given album and the rest is garbage (there's always exceptions to this!).
On the other hand I have never used Morpheus, Kazaa or Napster, but rather in my opinion a far better way to obtain music.
Just some of my thoughts.
Take care,
LPP | |
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Phil
Rojo Sol
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Camarillo, CA | Re: Music has declined...teens are the newest tartgets I agree parents have to pay, but the advertising campaigns of the pop stars are targeting the kids and the kids these days are getting what they want. | |
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Eminem
@sandvine.com
| Re: Music has declined...teens are the newest tartgets Dang Nabbit, quit downloading my garn-doll music, thanks to all you dumb-dumbs Im living in a trailor with my ex-wife kim and her new boyfriend, who happens to be an American Gladiator, and sometimes, I catch him looking at me, you know, LOOKING AT ME. SO dang nabbit, if you all want to keep enjoying my love ballads, you should stop downloading my darn-jeepers music.
Darn-didildy-dingo, the gladiator is looking at me again! | |
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