$20 AT&T Naked DSL Arrives - Merger condition required it before year's end....

$20 AT&T Naked DSL Arrives
Merger condition required it before year's end....
(old news - 10:18AM Monday Dec 31 2007)
tags: prices · business · telco · AT&T DSL Service

In order to gain government approval for its acquisition of BellSouth, AT&T was allowed to conveniently author their own merger conditions (pdf), which the FCC boldly stated they probably wouldn't enforce anyway. Among them was the promise that they'd offer $10 DSL and "naked" (aka standalone, no landline) DSL service territory-wide before the end of 2007.

AT&T began offering the $10 768kbps DSL (+ local phone service) to comply earlier this year, though they neither announced or advertised the price point in the hopes that nobody would notice. AT&T's new CEO informed the press that AT&T didn't advertise the tier because nobody wants it.

The company began offering their $20, 768kbps naked DSL tier via their website as of December 20, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution:

The plan also does not come with a contract, allowing customers the option to drop the service at any time. More expensive DSL plans will no longer require a landline either. "We recognize that different consumers have different communications needs — including those who rely primarily on a wireless phone and who still want to benefit from a broadband connection with value and savings," said AT&T spokesman Steven Smith.

As it stands, AT&T has been offering a variety of dry loop DSL options in several territories -- but not for all speed tiers, not in all markets and not at this new $20 price point.

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Doctor Olds
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768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL

They are still surcharging you for the same speed as the $10.00 DSL Plan minus the obvious lack of the dial-tone requirement. The $20.00 plan of Naked DSL should be 1.5 Mbps instead, IMHO.

Former Bellsouth States are still overcharging their DSL users compared to the old SBC areas that have much lower rates for the same DSL speeds.
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permalink · 2007-12-31 10:06:32 ·

morbo Complete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs:	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL it's difficult for them to resist easy money!
	permalink · 2007-12-31 10:12:18 ·

Zerny join:2007-05-04 Fort Gratiot, MI	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL said by morbo : it's difficult for them to resist easy money! LOL, I have yet to see a successful business that doesnt love money.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 13:39:52 ·

morbo Complete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs:	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL lying to the public and its customers to get more money is interesting!
	permalink · 2007-12-31 13:46:53 ·

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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL

Welcome to Big business in America, Sorry but this is nothing new its been going on for centuries.

I went to the golf course recently, They have a bundle with a Cart for 50 dollars per person for 18, There was no walking price listed on the sign, Oddly enough they dont advertise there cheaper products as much there expensive packages. Everyone does it... To walk 18 holes was 19 bucks

permalink · 2007-12-31 13:56:30 ·

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Hambone Hambone join:2007-08-11 North Hollywood, CA	How about Amazon.com?
	permalink · 2007-12-31 22:59:34 ·

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Mactron el Camino Real Premium join:2001-12-16 CM94sv	said by Doctor Olds : Former Bellsouth States are still overcharging their DSL users compared to the old SBC areas that have much lower rates for the same DSL speeds. You expected prices to go down ?!! Naive aren't we... -- If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 10:24:29 · Print ·

morbo Complete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: ·AT&T Southwest	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL said by Mactron : You expected prices to go down ?!! Naive aren't we... ordinarily i would agree with you, BUT i believe there were comments made justifying the price/speed disparity as "give it time for them to merge their billing and tech standards. it's only been 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11 months.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 10:28:31 · Print ·

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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL

said by morbo

said by Mactron

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You expected prices to go down ?!!
Naive aren't we...

ordinarily i would agree with you, BUT i believe there were comments made justifying the price/speed disparity as "give it time for them to merge their billing and tech standards. it's only been 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11 months.

And whats your point? They still havent been merged. Id like to see if you can run a Fortune 500 company any better. You dont just rush off and make changes overnight.

permalink · 2007-12-31 20:58:30 · Print ·

morbo Complete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs:	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL my point is they could have done it if they wanted to. enough with the excuses.
	permalink · 2008-01-01 10:39:46 ·

dnoyeB Ferrous Phallus join:2000-10-09 Southfield, MI	They usually rush off and fire lots of people overnight.
	permalink · 2008-01-04 14:29:58 ·

missileman join:2006-05-07 Little Rock, AR	I got the 23.99 dry loop. $23.99 total. It's great since I was paying about $50.00 a month for their DSL plus local phone line.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 15:26:33 ·

mlacien	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL i'm in chicago - i would love to order this service. how would i do that. THanKS! -ml
	permalink · 2008-01-04 17:35:23 ·

joako Premium join:2000-09-07 Gainesville, FL	You fail to mention the $20 price for 786kbps DSL is the normal price. I think it's a good deal. Keep in mind the cost of outside wire maintenance is mainly calculated into the phone line price. -- Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir
	permalink · 2007-12-31 16:43:51 ·

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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL

said by joako

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You fail to mention the $20 price for 786kbps DSL is the normal price. I think it's a good deal. Keep in mind the cost of outside wire maintenance is mainly calculated into the phone line price.

Negative. It is not the Normal Price for Naked DSL as they have never that before. However, your confusion is likely from their $20.00 normal Bellsouth areas higher than anyone else "line sharing" price which they are thankfully being forced to sell at $10.00 instead in order to get their merge on......with SBC to become AT&T (again

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joako
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The $10 deal is only for new customers. If you used to have DSL on that phone line and canceled it you are not eligible. And this price is for when you sign a 1-year contract, the standard FastAccess DSL pricing is with no term commitment and no activation fees.

$20 per month is the normal price for 786kbps in Bellsouth land. They are offering naked 786kbps DSL for the same exact price. In the past when they offered naked DSL in some areas where required by law the pricing was more expensive than line-share DSL. Comcast and other cable companies also charge more for their high-speed internet services when you do not purchase their cable television services.

Yes I know the pricing in Bellsouth-land is higher than in other regions. I'm sure that will be changing within the next year. Do keep in mind the pricing is based on a certain pricing model. Many factors such as population densities, regional bandwidth costs, local labor costs, unions, etc all play a part in the pricing. Yes they can just arbitrarily lower the prices but that doesn't fly with the bean counters. AT&T didn't raise your rates either. You aren't necessarily "entitled" to receive any particular rates (or discounts thereof). Comcast does the same with dissimilar pricing in different markets.
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permalink · 2007-12-31 18:47:04 · Print ·

Doctor Olds
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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL

said by joako

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The $10 deal is only for new customers. If you used to have DSL on that phone line and canceled it you are not eligible. And this price is for when you sign a 1-year contract, the standard FastAccess DSL pricing is with no term commitment and no activation fees.

$20 per month is the normal price for 786kbps in Bellsouth land. They are offering naked 786kbps DSL for the same exact price. In the past when they offered naked DSL in some areas where required by law the pricing was more expensive than line-share DSL. Comcast and other cable companies also charge more for their high-speed internet services when you do not purchase their cable television services.

Yes I know the pricing in Bellsouth-land is higher than in other regions. I'm sure that will be changing within the next year. Do keep in mind the pricing is based on a certain pricing model. Many factors such as population densities, regional bandwidth costs, local labor costs, unions, etc all play a part in the pricing. Yes they can just arbitrarily lower the prices but that doesn't fly with the bean counters. AT&T didn't raise your rates either. You aren't necessarily "entitled" to receive any particular rates (or discounts thereof). Comcast does the same with dissimilar pricing in different markets.

Factually speaking it costs way much more to live on the West Coast than on the East Coast (also higher COL in the North East and South West US) and yet the pricing for DSL is lower on the West Coast, lower in the North East and also lower in the South West US Regions including non-SBC, non-Bellsouth territories. Since outside plant costs for maintenance also costs more in areas with higher costs of living, it sure is clear that DSL is less expensive to deliver than Bellsouth's pricing leads one to believe. Guess what that really means. Bellsouth has been gouging it's customer base for many, many Years and they did this far longer than the short time span that they have offered DSL to customers. That is the bottom line. Bellsouth inflated the price not based on anything other than they knew they could do as they please which is how all Monopolies work.
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permalink · 2007-12-31 20:49:35 · Print ·

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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL

said by Doctor Olds

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Since outside plant costs for maintenance also costs more in areas with higher costs of living, it sure is clear that DSL is less expensive to deliver than Bellsouth's pricing leads one to believe.

That is simply untrue.

OSP maintenance costs are based on a well known formulas all based on subscriber miles which simply is how many miles of pairs are required to serve the subscriber base.

Generally speaking OSP maintenance per year costs are lower in the areas of a higher cost of living as subscriber density is also considerably higher resulting in more subscribers per mile of plant. Since it is the total number of miles of loop per subscriber deployed which determines the cost of maintaining that plant a smaller denser OSP with shorter loops will have considerable lower cost of maintenance compared to an out in the sticks lower cost of living area where each loop may be many miles per subscriber.

In fact it was the considerably higher deployment and maintenance costs of serving those out in the “country” that led to the formation of many rural Telco’s and the RUS funding.

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Airwolf7 Premium join:2004-12-12 Franklin, KY moderated: January 5th, @10:11AM	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL Do you and Doctor Olds chase each other around the site so that the two of you can argue. You two are like two peas in a pod.
	permalink · 2008-01-05 09:46:39 ·

Splitpair Premium join:2000-07-29 Cow Towne ·T-Mobile US ·T-Mobile US ·AT&T Southeast	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL said by Airwolf7 : You two are like two peas in a pod. Na he's a GM guy and I'm more of a Dodge leaning to Ford person. Wayne -- If you cannot fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.
	permalink · 2008-01-05 16:37:09 ·

Airwolf7
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Speakeasy Speed Test Atlanta, GA
FastAccess DSL Speed Test

We pay more because we get more.
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Can the other at&t regions get this kind of downstream throughput with their 6.0 plans as compared to customers in the at&t Southeast region?

If they can't then they are not getting the same speeds as us for less money.

What does a static IP address cost them as compared to at&t Southeast with a free static IP address on 3.0 or 6.0 plans, $14.99 on lesser plans?

Do customers in the other at&t regions get their full throughput speeds like we do if we are provisioned with MaxSync? In the at&t Southeast region, if provisioned with MaxSync and barring poor line conditions, if you have 768/128 you get 768/128, if you have 1.5/256 you get 1.5/256, if you have 3.0/384 you get 3.0/384, if you have 6.0/512 you get higher then 6.0 and 512 minus overhead(425-446, avg.= 434).

You got me on the upstream bandwidth.

at&t Southeast has the best forum and the best FAQs out of the other at&t forums not counting at&t Direct.

Refer to picture labeled "FastAccess DSL Speed Test". I wonder what would have happened if the new at&t would not have bought BellSouth because their greedy ass wanted all of Cingular? It looks to me that BellSouth left us some room to grow to 7.1 Mbps/768 Kbps with an unshaped 8128 Kbps/896 Kbps synch-rate.

BellSouth had been increasing the number of their FastAccess DSL plans while at the same time lowering the prices on these plans. They also had been increasing the throughput on these plans with MaxSync and over provisioning the synch-rate on the non MaxSync provisioned Xtreme 3.0 plan from 3008/384 to 3552/384 to give their customers full throughput and might have continued this on the other plans or might have switched everything to MaxSync provisioning.

BellSouth had a lot of fiber in their network and great tech support at the Help Desk, in the field, and among their operations people although their DNS and E-mail people might not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer they at least tried their hardest to make it right.

BellSouth had a timid CEO, even though he seemed to be a nice enough fellow, if there would have been a little more hunt in that dog then BellSouth would have been buying SBC and not the other way around.

How many times did I see this headline "BellSouth Ranks Highest In Customer Satisfaction"? I don't really remember how many times but it was a bunch.

I will give the old BellSouth CEO one thing and that is he seemed to run a tight ship and seemed to like to do things The Bell System way, you know The Bell System way from the real AT&T. People can say all the bad things they want about the real American Telephone and Telegraph Company but they did not do things half-assed and they innovated.

With the real AT&T America had the #1 telecommunications systems in the World and it was the envy of the whole World. Now we are ranked what? Something like #15.

The real AT&T's Bell Labs scientists have received six Nobel Prizes in Physics, nine U.S. Medals of Science and six U.S. Medals of Technology. What will the new at&t do.

The loss of Bell Labs is probably one of the greatest setbacks, it was probably a tragedy, that America has had in generations.

In what ways does America innovate today?

We make some of the best military weapons.

We come up with exciting new ways to order Happy Meals from the drive-thru at McDonalds.

We come up with lots of new ways to bic*h, moan, and gripe as evidenced by more then half of my reply.

Edit: Sorry about the fact that some of this is a rant.

If at&t lowers at&t Southeast prices will they also take away our speeds and free static IP address and will at&t Southeast customers complain?

If at&t lowers at&t Southeast prices and does not take away our speeds and static IP address will the customers in the other at&t regions complain?

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joako Premium join:2000-09-07 Gainesville, FL	Just be glad you aren't in Embarq-land... I saw a billboard yesterday that read "Your DSL rate will never change. No ifs ands or buts about it" -- Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir
	permalink · 2008-01-04 14:52:42 ·

Airwolf7 Premium join:2004-12-12 Franklin, KY moderated: January 5th, @10:11AM	Do you and Splitpair chase each other around the site so that the two of you can argue. You two are like two peas in a pod.
	permalink · 2008-01-05 09:47:21 ·

joako Premium join:2000-09-07 Gainesville, FL	No I just think it so happens Dr Olds posts in every thread and Spiltpair in every other thread. They have 32920 & 10868 posts, respectively. -- Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir
	permalink · 2008-01-05 12:19:16 ·

Airwolf7 Premium join:2004-12-12 Franklin, KY	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL That might be it. I thought that they were just stalking each other.
	permalink · 2008-01-05 13:51:35 ·

Doctor Olds I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me. Premium,VIP join:2001-04-19 1970 442 W30 clubs:	Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL said by Airwolf7 : That might be it. I thought that they were just stalking each other. it is obvious your buddy is cyber-stalking my posts. -- What’s the point of owning a supercar if you can’t scare yourself stupid from time to time?
	permalink · 2008-01-05 14:34:58 ·

joako Premium join:2000-09-07 Gainesville, FL	said by Airwolf7 : That might be it. I thought that they were just stalking each other. Nah, just the whole BBR community. -- Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir
	permalink · 2008-01-05 15:43:30 ·

psiu_nws join:2004-01-20 Plymouth, MI ·AT&T DSL Service ·RoadRunner Cable	can confirm in MI... No more jumping through customer service phone calls or ordering and then dropping phone service--just checked and you can now order the 768k service for 19.95 here online, and the previous "special" naked prices that you needed to call for can be ordered directly online as well.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 10:08:26 ·

w4ncr join:2000-10-27 Wilmington, NC	Re: can confirm in MI... Would you believe when I ordered naked DSL the the DUMB BUNNIES sent me a filter kit like I was ordering DSL SERVICE which I was already a DSL customer, this makes about fifty filters I have received as mistakes from their ordering department, what a waste of company money, that should be spent on deploying fiber.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 10:43:07 ·

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dadkins Living on a Blu Planet Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA ·Comcast	768k? Uhm... even at $10, that's a ripoff! Forget the need for dialtone to get it for $10... $20 for 768k without dialtone? What's your name? Ben Dover? -- Think outside the Fox... Opera
	permalink · 2007-12-31 10:48:21 ·

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sgaulding

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DSL Direct in North Houston area

Tried ordering DSL Direct online and got response "only available to business at this time." So I called ATT and was able to order via phone: 3 options available in the north Houston area -- 3M $28.99, 1.5M $23.99, 764K $19.99.

I went to cable last year because it was cheaper than the bundled phone/internet service. Now I can drop cable because the DSL direct is cheaper than cable.

permalink · 2007-12-31 11:10:15 ·

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I was looking at prices here ; no phone line
.768m 19.99, 1.5m $23.99, 3m 28.99, 6m $38.99.

If you have a phone line ;
14.99 .768m, 19.99 1.5, 24.99 3m, 34.99 6m.

Day before yesterday I was checking for a client, the $10.00 dsl showed up as a choice, but today its not showing up. It was the same package as the 14.99 service with a phone line.

Since he is using dial-up and all he does is check email, surf, and participate in ebay, .768 is plenty for him, and much faster than his dial-up.
Oh, he definitely wants the $10.00 plan over the $14.99 plan with the same service.
Even non-tech's can see a $5.00 savings a month, amazing.
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curro

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Re: DSL Direct in North Houston area

said by sgaulding

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Tried ordering DSL Direct online and got response "only available to business at this time." So I called ATT and was able to order via phone: 3 options available in the north Houston area -- 3M $28.99, 1.5M $23.99, 764K $19.99.

I went to cable last year because it was cheaper than the bundled phone/internet service. Now I can drop cable because the DSL direct is cheaper than cable.

If I may ask: what phone number you called in the Houston area?

Thanks in advance.

permalink · 2007-12-31 11:56:25 · Print ·

devil24 Premium join:2002-06-28 Houston, TX	Re: DSL Direct in North Houston area I called 800-264-0002 here in Houston.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 13:45:04 ·

curro join:2003-10-24 Seabrook, TX ·LINGO	Re: DSL Direct in North Houston area said by devil24 : I called 800-264-0002 here in Houston. Hey thanks. I'll give them a ring to see what is available in SE Houston.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 18:08:57 ·

XBL2007 join:2001-01-03 Chicago, IL	$29 for 3 megabits... $29 for 3 megabits isn't exactly fast and cheap anymore. I long for the day when wireless or fiber take over.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 11:37:52 ·

devil24 Premium join:2002-06-28 Houston, TX	Re: $29 for 3 megabits... At least in my case, I'd rather go with DSL than having to put up with Comcast throttling anything BitTorrent and their Nazi-like practices when enforcing their obscure caps.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 13:49:27 ·

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If . . .

The dry loop for $20 might be an interesting product choice if the upload speed was so pitifully low. 768/128 gives you a decent download speed for the casual user but only 1/6 as much upload speed. It's definitely a way to keep anyone from seriously wanting this offering. Now if they offered 768/384, I'd say it might be worth it. Look at Covad and DSLExtreme. Their 768 tier comes with 384 upload speed. Only AT&T keeps a super low upload speed at the 768 level.

permalink · 2007-12-31 11:55:04 ·

d_l Barsoom Premium,MVM join:2002-12-08 Reno, NV	Re: If . . . I guess you haven't actually checked the specs for the Basic tier, but the upload for that speed is up to 384 and has been since it was introduced. The speeds for the former BellSouth regions are tiered differently than those for the rest of us.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 13:26:17 ·

BF69

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Re: If . . .

said by d_l

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I guess you haven't actually checked the specs for the Basic tier, but the upload for that speed is up to 384 and has been since it was introduced. The speeds for the former BellSouth regions are tiered differently than those for the rest of us.

It shouldn't be since these merger conditions were part of the merger with bellsouth so if anything it should apply to former bellsouth customers before anyone, but it doesn't.

permalink · 2007-12-31 13:52:49 · Print ·

d_l Barsoom Premium,MVM join:2002-12-08 Reno, NV	Re: If . . . Speed tiers aren't changed overnight. The last time ASI changed the speed tiers to increase the uploads, it took over a year to complete the job. I guess Bellsouth set up their network so differently that it couldn't be changed to conform to the SBC system overnight either.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 15:47:18 ·

BF69

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Re: If . . .

said by d_l

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Speed tiers aren't changed overnight. The last time ASI changed the speed tiers to increase the uploads, it took over a year to complete the job.

I guess Bellsouth set up their network so differently that it couldn't be changed to conform to the SBC system overnight either.

overnight? they've been offically merged for 10 months. They were planning on it over 6 months before that.

permalink · 2007-12-31 21:47:16 · Print ·

Jerm

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"Only AT&T keeps a super low upload speed at the 768 level" - Sorry but this is stupid easy to disprove: Verizon has 768/128, Qwest's lowest speed is 256/128, and Century Tel has 265/128 also. Notice the trend?

My bet is anyone who is picky enough to want >128kbps upload on a 768 down line is also going to notice/prefer 3-6mbps also. Just FWIW. And you pull out Covad as an upstream comparison speed example - lol their 768 is like what $60/month? Note to Coavad: Ring Ring - whats that? - it's 1998 calling they want their DSL pricing back!

This $10 768 plan is perfect for mom & pops. VZ got all the good press back when they started on their $15 768 plan, but they've scammed everyone into paying $20 now for that (sorry the promo was only for the first year, or so my parents were told).

permalink · 2007-12-31 18:02:30 · Print ·

Edward1978

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Why??

AT&T began offering the $10 768kbps DSL (+ local phone service) to comply earlier this year, though they neither announced or advertised the price point in the hopes that nobody would notice. AT&T's new CEO informed the press that AT&T didn't advertise the tier because nobody wants it.

Smart move. why would a company have a service they don't advertise? Have to love the way some companies think.

permalink · 2007-12-31 12:04:51 ·

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Dry Loop DSL

Southwest Houston here (I-10 and Dairy Ashford area) and I just had the Elite (6Mbps) Dry Loop DSL set up last Monday (12/24). $38.95 a month plus tax.

IMHO, not a bad deal at all... even if coming from AT&T

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permalink · 2007-12-31 12:29:29 ·

odinb join:2001-11-26 Frisco, TX	Re: Dry Loop DSL Anyone know if you can get the Elite in Dallas-area dry-loop for $39?
	permalink · 2007-12-31 13:06:34 ·

devil24 Premium join:2002-06-28 Houston, TX	Re: Dry Loop DSL Call 800-264-0002 and ask if it's available in your specific area.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 13:45:43 ·

odinb

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Frisco, TX

Called them up and changed to dry-loop Elite, and was quoted the Express-price at confirmation.

Told the lady that I currently have Elite, and was expecting that on the dry-loop as well. She stated that only express was available in my area on dry-loop for my address. Told her that express was not going to work for me, and that she had to get hold of someone that could override the system. She kept insisting that what I was asking would not be possible on my address.....

Finally she gave up and asked a manager (or something). I now have a ticket # for an elite override (at least that was what I was told the ticketnumber was for). Crossing my fingers that it will work, but with my luck I will probably end up with express or nothing on Jan 8th....
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Ulmo

join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA

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·SONIC.NET

Re: Dry Loop DSL

said by odinb

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Called them up and changed to dry-loop Elite, and was quoted the Express-price at confirmation.

Told the lady that I currently have Elite, and was expecting that on the dry-loop as well. She stated that only express was available in my area on dry-loop for my address. Told her that express was not going to work for me, and that she had to get hold of someone that could override the system. She kept insisting that what I was asking would not be possible on my address.....

Finally she gave up and asked a manager (or something). I now have a ticket # for an elite override (at least that was what I was told the ticketnumber was for). Crossing my fingers that it will work, but with my luck I will probably end up with express or nothing on Jan 8th....

Congratulations.

Still makes me happy to be a Comcast customer (until they throttle me to hell). I would have kept my Sonic.net DSL (AT&T line) if it were dry loop, but I'm doing Comcast Triple Play now, so no more DSL line, since they don't offer dry loop conversions for the reseller, since the reseller hasn't seen the need to negotiate for it to the point of winning such a contract. Bye bye AT&T, you suck anyway.

P.S., Sonic.net will now make more money from me than when I had DSL. Good for everyone: get rid of AT&T.

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elvara @comcast.net	Naked $10 dsl Miami FL Anyone has experienced in the area of South Florida?
	permalink · 2007-12-31 13:25:45 ·

BF69 join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	Not in my area Go to the website and I can't find a link anywhere to get naked DSL. If you want to order DSL the site insists you order phone service.
	permalink · 2007-12-31 13:49:57 ·

scots Can we have Twinkies? Premium join:1999-12-06 Raleigh, NC ·AT&T CallVantage ·ViaTalk	Re: Not in my area If you're in former BellSouth territory you can get DSL without landline service, but you can't order it on the web site yet. They're calling it FastAccess DSL Direct. From the BellSouth web site: "FastAccess DSL without a voice line is available at several speeds and price plans for qualifying customers. Call 800-626-9149 to order."
	permalink · 2007-12-31 15:16:23 ·

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: Not in my area

said by scots

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If you're in former BellSouth territory you can get DSL without landline service, but you can't order it on the web site yet. They're calling it FastAccess DSL Direct. From the BellSouth web site:

"FastAccess DSL without a voice line is available at several speeds and price plans for qualifying customers. Call 800-626-9149 to order."

Yes I know, but it SHOULD be available from the website, which is my point.

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dallas don @twtelecom.net	its shows on their web site »www.att.com/gen/general?pid=10850 800-288-2020
	permalink · 2007-12-31 16:24:57 ·

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL

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768k?

DSL Direct in North Houston area