Doctor OldsI Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me. Premium Member join:2001-04-19 1970 442 W30
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768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLThey are still surcharging you for the same speed as the $10.00 DSL Plan minus the obvious lack of the dial-tone requirement. The $20.00 plan of Naked DSL should be 1.5 Mbps instead, IMHO.
Former Bellsouth States are still overcharging their DSL users compared to the old SBC areas that have much lower rates for the same DSL speeds. | |
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morbo
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2007-Dec-31 10:12 am
Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLit's difficult for them to resist easy money! | |
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2007-Dec-31 1:39 pm
Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLsaid by morbo:it's difficult for them to resist easy money! LOL, I have yet to see a successful business that doesnt love money. | |
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2007-Dec-31 1:46 pm
Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLlying to the public and its customers to get more money is interesting! | |
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2007-Dec-31 1:56 pm
Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLWelcome to Big business in America, Sorry but this is nothing new its been going on for centuries.
I went to the golf course recently, They have a bundle with a Cart for 50 dollars per person for 18, There was no walking price listed on the sign, Oddly enough they dont advertise there cheaper products as much there expensive packages. Everyone does it... To walk 18 holes was 19 bucks | |
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You pay income taxes and consumption taxes that are in excess so what's your point??? | |
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How about Amazon.com? | |
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2008-Jan-2 3:08 pm
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Hey, isn't making profit what Capitalism is all about? Or, you want Communism which everyone shares their resources. | |
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said by Doctor Olds:Former Bellsouth States are still overcharging their DSL users compared to the old SBC areas that have much lower rates for the same DSL speeds. You expected prices to go down ?!! Naive aren't we... | |
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morbo
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2007-Dec-31 10:28 am
Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLsaid by Mactron:You expected prices to go down ?!! Naive aren't we... ordinarily i would agree with you, BUT i believe there were comments made justifying the price/speed disparity as "give it time for them to merge their billing and tech standards. it's only been 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11 months. | |
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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLsaid by morbo:said by Mactron:You expected prices to go down ?!! Naive aren't we... ordinarily i would agree with you, BUT i believe there were comments made justifying the price/speed disparity as "give it time for them to merge their billing and tech standards. it's only been 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11 months. And whats your point? They still havent been merged. Id like to see if you can run a Fortune 500 company any better. You dont just rush off and make changes overnight. | |
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2008-Jan-1 10:39 am
Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLmy point is they could have done it if they wanted to. enough with the excuses. | |
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They usually rush off and fire lots of people overnight. | |
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I got the 23.99 dry loop. $23.99 total. It's great since I was paying about $50.00 a month for their DSL plus local phone line. | |
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mlacien
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2008-Jan-4 5:35 pm
Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLi'm in chicago - i would love to order this service. how would i do that. THanKS!
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You fail to mention the $20 price for 786kbps DSL is the normal price. I think it's a good deal. Keep in mind the cost of outside wire maintenance is mainly calculated into the phone line price. | |
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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLsaid by joako:You fail to mention the $20 price for 786kbps DSL is the normal price. I think it's a good deal. Keep in mind the cost of outside wire maintenance is mainly calculated into the phone line price. Negative. It is not the Normal Price for Naked DSL as they have never that before. However, your confusion is likely from their $20.00 normal Bellsouth areas higher than anyone else "line sharing" price which they are thankfully being forced to sell at $10.00 instead in order to get their merge on......with SBC to become AT&T (again ). | |
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The $10 deal is only for new customers. If you used to have DSL on that phone line and canceled it you are not eligible. And this price is for when you sign a 1-year contract, the standard FastAccess DSL pricing is with no term commitment and no activation fees.
$20 per month is the normal price for 786kbps in Bellsouth land. They are offering naked 786kbps DSL for the same exact price. In the past when they offered naked DSL in some areas where required by law the pricing was more expensive than line-share DSL. Comcast and other cable companies also charge more for their high-speed internet services when you do not purchase their cable television services.
Yes I know the pricing in Bellsouth-land is higher than in other regions. I'm sure that will be changing within the next year. Do keep in mind the pricing is based on a certain pricing model. Many factors such as population densities, regional bandwidth costs, local labor costs, unions, etc all play a part in the pricing. Yes they can just arbitrarily lower the prices but that doesn't fly with the bean counters. AT&T didn't raise your rates either. You aren't necessarily "entitled" to receive any particular rates (or discounts thereof). Comcast does the same with dissimilar pricing in different markets. | |
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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLsaid by joako:The $10 deal is only for new customers. If you used to have DSL on that phone line and canceled it you are not eligible. And this price is for when you sign a 1-year contract, the standard FastAccess DSL pricing is with no term commitment and no activation fees. $20 per month is the normal price for 786kbps in Bellsouth land. They are offering naked 786kbps DSL for the same exact price. In the past when they offered naked DSL in some areas where required by law the pricing was more expensive than line-share DSL. Comcast and other cable companies also charge more for their high-speed internet services when you do not purchase their cable television services. Yes I know the pricing in Bellsouth-land is higher than in other regions. I'm sure that will be changing within the next year. Do keep in mind the pricing is based on a certain pricing model. Many factors such as population densities, regional bandwidth costs, local labor costs, unions, etc all play a part in the pricing. Yes they can just arbitrarily lower the prices but that doesn't fly with the bean counters. AT&T didn't raise your rates either. You aren't necessarily "entitled" to receive any particular rates (or discounts thereof). Comcast does the same with dissimilar pricing in different markets. Factually speaking it costs way much more to live on the West Coast than on the East Coast (also higher COL in the North East and South West US) and yet the pricing for DSL is lower on the West Coast, lower in the North East and also lower in the South West US Regions including non-SBC, non-Bellsouth territories. Since outside plant costs for maintenance also costs more in areas with higher costs of living, it sure is clear that DSL is less expensive to deliver than Bellsouth's pricing leads one to believe. Guess what that really means. Bellsouth has been gouging it's customer base for many, many Years and they did this far longer than the short time span that they have offered DSL to customers. That is the bottom line. Bellsouth inflated the price not based on anything other than they knew they could do as they please which is how all Monopolies work. | |
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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLsaid by Doctor Olds: Since outside plant costs for maintenance also costs more in areas with higher costs of living, it sure is clear that DSL is less expensive to deliver than Bellsouth's pricing leads one to believe. That is simply untrue. OSP maintenance costs are based on a well known formulas all based on subscriber miles which simply is how many miles of pairs are required to serve the subscriber base. Generally speaking OSP maintenance per year costs are lower in the areas of a higher cost of living as subscriber density is also considerably higher resulting in more subscribers per mile of plant. Since it is the total number of miles of loop per subscriber deployed which determines the cost of maintaining that plant a smaller denser OSP with shorter loops will have considerable lower cost of maintenance compared to an out in the sticks lower cost of living area where each loop may be many miles per subscriber. In fact it was the considerably higher deployment and maintenance costs of serving those out in the country that led to the formation of many rural Telcos and the RUS funding. Wayne | |
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Airwolf7
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2008-Jan-5 9:46 am
Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLDo you and Doctor Olds chase each other around the site so that the two of you can argue.
You two are like two peas in a pod. | |
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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLsaid by Airwolf7:You two are like two peas in a pod. Na he's a GM guy and I'm more of a Dodge leaning to Ford person. Wayne | |
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Speakeasy Speed Test Atlanta, GA | FastAccess DSL Speed Test |
We pay more because we get more. -------------------------------- Can the other at&t regions get this kind of downstream throughput with their 6.0 plans as compared to customers in the at&t Southeast region? If they can't then they are not getting the same speeds as us for less money. What does a static IP address cost them as compared to at&t Southeast with a free static IP address on 3.0 or 6.0 plans, $14.99 on lesser plans? Do customers in the other at&t regions get their full throughput speeds like we do if we are provisioned with MaxSync? In the at&t Southeast region, if provisioned with MaxSync and barring poor line conditions, if you have 768/128 you get 768/128, if you have 1.5/256 you get 1.5/256, if you have 3.0/384 you get 3.0/384, if you have 6.0/512 you get higher then 6.0 and 512 minus overhead(425-446, avg.= 434). You got me on the upstream bandwidth. at&t Southeast has the best forum and the best FAQs out of the other at&t forums not counting at&t Direct. Refer to picture labeled "FastAccess DSL Speed Test". I wonder what would have happened if the new at&t would not have bought BellSouth because their greedy ass wanted all of Cingular? It looks to me that BellSouth left us some room to grow to 7.1 Mbps/768 Kbps with an unshaped 8128 Kbps/896 Kbps synch-rate. BellSouth had been increasing the number of their FastAccess DSL plans while at the same time lowering the prices on these plans. They also had been increasing the throughput on these plans with MaxSync and over provisioning the synch-rate on the non MaxSync provisioned Xtreme 3.0 plan from 3008/384 to 3552/384 to give their customers full throughput and might have continued this on the other plans or might have switched everything to MaxSync provisioning. BellSouth had a lot of fiber in their network and great tech support at the Help Desk, in the field, and among their operations people although their DNS and E-mail people might not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer they at least tried their hardest to make it right. BellSouth had a timid CEO, even though he seemed to be a nice enough fellow, if there would have been a little more hunt in that dog then BellSouth would have been buying SBC and not the other way around. How many times did I see this headline "BellSouth Ranks Highest In Customer Satisfaction"? I don't really remember how many times but it was a bunch. I will give the old BellSouth CEO one thing and that is he seemed to run a tight ship and seemed to like to do things The Bell System way, you know The Bell System way from the real AT&T. People can say all the bad things they want about the real American Telephone and Telegraph Company but they did not do things half-assed and they innovated. With the real AT&T America had the #1 telecommunications systems in the World and it was the envy of the whole World. Now we are ranked what? Something like #15. The real AT&T's Bell Labs scientists have received six Nobel Prizes in Physics, nine U.S. Medals of Science and six U.S. Medals of Technology. What will the new at&t do. The loss of Bell Labs is probably one of the greatest setbacks, it was probably a tragedy, that America has had in generations. In what ways does America innovate today? We make some of the best military weapons. We come up with exciting new ways to order Happy Meals from the drive-thru at McDonalds. We come up with lots of new ways to bic*h, moan, and gripe as evidenced by more then half of my reply. Edit: Sorry about the fact that some of this is a rant. If at&t lowers at&t Southeast prices will they also take away our speeds and free static IP address and will at&t Southeast customers complain? If at&t lowers at&t Southeast prices and does not take away our speeds and static IP address will the customers in the other at&t regions complain? | |
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Just be glad you aren't in Embarq-land... I saw a billboard yesterday that read "Your DSL rate will never change. No ifs ands or buts about it" | |
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Do you and Splitpair chase each other around the site so that the two of you can argue.
You two are like two peas in a pod. | |
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No I just think it so happens Dr Olds posts in every thread and Spiltpair in every other thread. They have 32920 & 10868 posts, respectively. | |
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Airwolf7
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2008-Jan-5 1:51 pm
Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLThat might be it.
I thought that they were just stalking each other. | |
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Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSLsaid by Airwolf7:That might be it. I thought that they were just stalking each other. it is obvious your buddy is cyber-stalking my posts. | |
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said by Airwolf7:That might be it. I thought that they were just stalking each other. Nah, just the whole BBR community. | |
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2007-Dec-31 10:08 am
can confirm in MI...No more jumping through customer service phone calls or ordering and then dropping phone service--just checked and you can now order the 768k service for 19.95 here online, and the previous "special" naked prices that you needed to call for can be ordered directly online as well. | |
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2007-Dec-31 10:43 am
Re: can confirm in MI...Would you believe when I ordered naked DSL the the DUMB BUNNIES sent me a filter kit like I was ordering DSL SERVICE which I was already a DSL customer, this makes about fifty filters I have received as mistakes from their ordering department, what a waste of company money, that should be spent on deploying fiber. | |
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768k?Uhm... even at $10, that's a ripoff! Forget the need for dialtone to get it for $10... $20 for 768k without dialtone? What's your name? Ben Dover? | |
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I went to cable last year because it was cheaper than the bundled phone/internet service. Now I can drop cable because the DSL direct is cheaper than cable. | |
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2007-Dec-31 11:37 am
$29 for 3 megabits...$29 for 3 megabits isn't exactly fast and cheap anymore. I long for the day when wireless or fiber take over. | |
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devil24
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2007-Dec-31 1:49 pm
Re: $29 for 3 megabits...At least in my case, I'd rather go with DSL than having to put up with Comcast throttling anything BitTorrent and their Nazi-like practices when enforcing their obscure caps. | |
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If . . .The dry loop for $20 might be an interesting product choice if the upload speed was so pitifully low. 768/128 gives you a decent download speed for the casual user but only 1/6 as much upload speed. It's definitely a way to keep anyone from seriously wanting this offering. Now if they offered 768/384, I'd say it might be worth it. Look at Covad and DSLExtreme. Their 768 tier comes with 384 upload speed. Only AT&T keeps a super low upload speed at the 768 level. | |
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Why??AT&T began offering the $10 768kbps DSL (+ local phone service) to comply earlier this year, though they neither announced or advertised the price point in the hopes that nobody would notice. AT&T's new CEO informed the press that AT&T didn't advertise the tier because nobody wants it.
Smart move. why would a company have a service they don't advertise? Have to love the way some companies think. | |
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devil24
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2007-Dec-31 12:29 pm
Dry Loop DSLSouthwest Houston here (I-10 and Dairy Ashford area) and I just had the Elite (6Mbps) Dry Loop DSL set up last Monday (12/24). $38.95 a month plus tax. IMHO, not a bad deal at all... even if coming from AT&T . | |
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2007-Dec-31 1:25 pm
Naked $10 dsl Miami FLAnyone has experienced in the area of South Florida? | |
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2007-Dec-31 1:49 pm
Not in my areaGo to the website and I can't find a link anywhere to get naked DSL. If you want to order DSL the site insists you order phone service. | |
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scots
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2007-Dec-31 3:16 pm
Re: Not in my areaIf you're in former BellSouth territory you can get DSL without landline service, but you can't order it on the web site yet. They're calling it FastAccess DSL Direct. From the BellSouth web site:
"FastAccess DSL without a voice line is available at several speeds and price plans for qualifying customers. Call 800-626-9149 to order." | |
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2007-Dec-31 3:28 pm
Re: Not in my areasaid by scots:If you're in former BellSouth territory you can get DSL without landline service, but you can't order it on the web site yet. They're calling it FastAccess DSL Direct. From the BellSouth web site: "FastAccess DSL without a voice line is available at several speeds and price plans for qualifying customers. Call 800-626-9149 to order." Yes I know, but it SHOULD be available from the website, which is my point. | |
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2007-Dec-31 4:24 pm
its shows on their web site | |
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2007-Dec-31 5:16 pm
Southeast is still overchargedHow much longer is this garbage going to continue? Why do I have to pay more for DSL than AT&T legacy??? It's been nearly a year.
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2007-Dec-31 11:09 pm
what isnaked what is it they tell me all i can get is there express service 1.5 but i dont no they tell | |
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I fail to understand this line of thinkingThe idea that "Nobody wants it" continues to grow more and more ridiculous as time passes. With my cell phone service, I will never purchase phone service from them or any other land based carrier because I don't need it (the rare exception would be a future subscription to satellite TV service). AT&T's only chance of making any money off of me would be to offer naked DSL, otherwise they can't compete with the cable TV/cable modem combo (a bundle I actually WANT). AT&T: Hello? People are dropping your land line service in favor of mobile service like hot potatoes. The simple answer for high speed internet in most areas is the cable modem. The sooner you realize that residential voice service is a dying breed and that data service is the future, the better off you'll be. | |
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UmeshJShah
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2008-Jan-2 8:45 pm
what about cable providers?I am forced to have a service from comcast (only option in my neighborhood) and they force me buy basic cable service to get internet service.
Does this new rule apply to the cable providers as well?
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2008-Jan-4 2:22 pm
Re: what about cable providers?It was a condition of their merger with ... SBC? Somebody.
I'd support a law that television and internet providers who offer bundled services must offer unbundled services whose total price is close to the price of the bundle. But we wouldn't need that kind of law if the local monopolies didn't exist. | |
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2008-Jan-4 10:24 am
AT&T doesn't care about Dry LoopAnd in trying to be an early adopter of this option, I'm finding that low prioritization appalling.
The "with Land Line" department disconnected my DSL but the order to connect back with Dry Loop service someone "didn't get placed" and no one noticed until I called back twice to figure it out.
If you go with this service in the San Francisco area ($23.99), be ready for some pain. The DSL folks route me to the "dial-up" department because my old phone number shows I have dial up now (which AT&T is supposed to provide for 30 or 60 days after disconnecting DSL). The Dry Loop folks are a different 1-800 number, and the reps in India are not effective.
They also said at first this was a 2-business-day conversion. NOw they are saying it's a 5-biz-day conversion after they fixed my order. And "there are no escalations with Dry Loop" because it's not a priority.
I am seriously considering paying even more money to switch to another naked DSL provider (speakeasy perhaps) or Comcast .
My point is that this service is lowest on their totem pole, and if you want to convert so you don't have to get telemarketers and recorded politicians being the only ones that call your land line, be ready for a headache. | |
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2008-Jan-4 11:05 am
Who else provides no-phone DSL in SF, CA?If what an earlier post said is true, other smaller ISPs either have no incentive to provide no-phone / naked DSL or AT&T won't let them.
The only alternatives I see are Speakeasy.net (which is about $55/mth, 1 yr contract for 1.5m download), or Comcast. With Comcast I'd be swapping from one monopoly with crappy service to another monopoly with potentially crappy service.
Are there any other options I have? I have no use for my phone line and I refuse to pay anymore for telemarketers and recorded politicians to call me.
I do use VoIP through Vonage but could consider a bundle with no-phone DSL but I don't have cable TV (so the Comcast Triple Play is not enticing).
Are people really using wireless as an option?
And yes, I am even willing to pay more than $23.99 for no-phone DSL if it means a slightly better increase in customer service. Speakeasy's $55/mth and 14 day setup time sounds crappy but I'm not sure what service level expectations I should have anymore. | |
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2008-Jan-4 2:38 pm
Just went naked in AtlantaJust dropped my phone service in Atlanta. It's supposed to push through at midnight. Will be keeping the DSL but I am also getting hit with a $5 DSL service increase.
Had to jump through a lot of hoops to drop it. Finally talked to someone who tried to convince me to disconnect by offering a landline 'discount' until July then they said I could call to cancel. Told the guy to just cancel it now. He really didn't want too and told me the 'discount' would drop the bill. Told him no cancel. We'll see if it's gone tomorrow. | |
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Static IP?Is it possible to request a static IP with the 768kbps $20/month service?
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